Current Events > Men speak most in best picture winning films (Oscars)

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Comments, thoughts? Is this patriarchy, or is it that men are just better, or something else? Let's see what CE thinks.
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Who cares?
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

is this going to be a thing now

will the oscars ever not have controversy

Haha, you thought they wouldn't have controversy after the year of metoo?

50Blessings posted...

Who cares?

Tons of people care.
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If this is important to you, you need to get a job.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

is this going to be a thing now

will the oscars ever not have controversy

As long as the left are able to leverage victimhood as an easy street to money, fame, and power, no it will never stop.

JoeyFNK posted...

If this is important to you, you need to get a job.

I have a job. I'm actually at work as we speak. But if you don't care, I'll ask you to not post in this topic, thanks.
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Argo won best picture? Lol.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Looking at your phone in the freezer at McDonalds doesnt count

Like I said to the other gentleman, if you have no interest in this then please refrain from posting here, thanks :)
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Best Picture 2019

The Woman Who Talks A Lot

lmao

"a movie should not get awards if all the various identities aren't represented EXACTLY the correct amount of time"
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This has like never crossed my mind
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

This has like never crossed my mind

People like TC spends hours looking for different ways to try to prove that there's a patriarchy holding women down.

But never mind any analyses that show that men are behind women in some regards. Those are not important.
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Is this merely among best-picture winning films or across films in general?
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teepan95 posted...

Is this merely among best-picture winning films or across films in general?

It's only citing best picture winners here.
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This seems like a valid complaint, but I don't really see what the solution is. This seems like something that'd go both ways. If women have less dialogue, they have less of a presence. If women have more dialogue, that's playing into the gabby stereotype.

When The Towering Inferno was made in 1974, and Steve McQueen wanted to be an equal star with Paul Newman, it was mandated in the script that both actors' characters had the exact number of lines in the picture. I feel like you'd have to do that to avoid complaints. Go through the script and make sure the male and female leads have the exact number of lines. And who would want to do that?

Antifar posted...

teepan95 posted...

Is this merely among best-picture winning films or across films in general?

It's only citing best picture winners here.

I know, but could this phenomenon be explained by men speaking more across films in general, as opposed to best-picture winners?
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pandering is the big issue though guys

teepan95 posted...

I know, but could this phenomenon be explained by men speaking more across films in general, as opposed to best-picture winners?

I imagine that similar trends hold throughout film, but that, too, is an issue.
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Wow, I knew CE wouldn't like this when I went in, but I didn't think you guys would be this hostile about it. Can we have an actual discussion about it instead of blocking your ears and screaming "who cares?"

This is actually a pretty interesting statistic. It's undeniable that movies skew toward men when it comes to getting leading roles, the same way they skew toward white people. I think there are only a few genres of movie where women are more predominant, whereas with most movie genres, it's much easier to get a script approved and sold when it's about men.

I'm not gonna argue that the academy is sexist. I found an article from 2014 that says it's 76% male with an average age of 63, and it wouldn't surprise me if most of the male voters tend to favor movies that feature men. That's not necessarily sexist, it could just be that they find the topics easier to relate to (there totally could be sexism involved, though). I think it mostly highlights a lack of female representation more than anything else.

That said, the academy is made of filmmakers, which is a group that's disproportionately male in the first place (screenwriters, directors, and so on). So if we want to see more female representation in movies/Oscar-winners, more women should get involved in filmmaking. The fact that some of 2017's most successful movies were directed by women (Patty Jenkins, who has made the only decent movie in DC's universe so far and who is coincidentally their only female director, and Greta Gerwig, for example) will help encourage girls in the future to get into the film industry because it will help remove the stigma that it's too hard for women to become famous directors.
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I find it hilarious how the film industry, a gigantic collective of people with liberal views, gets the enormous brunt of liberal criticisms.

Some of the movies there make sense that you'd see more male characters and voices.

Anyway, is the issue that female focused movies aren't chosen for best picture and just aren't made enough? Or is it that women just don't talk enough in movies in general
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Skye Reynolds posted...

This seems like a valid complaint, but I don't really see what the solution is. This seems like something that'd go both ways. If women have less dialogue, they have less of a presence. If women have more dialogue, that's playing into the gabby stereotype.

When The Towering Inferno was made in 1974, and Steve McQueen wanted to be an equal star with Paul Newman, it was mandated in the script that both actors' characters had the exact number of lines in the picture. I feel like you'd have to do that to avoid complaints. Go through the script and make sure the male and female leads have the exact number of lines. And who would want to do that?

Forcing dialog quotas would definitely make a lot of stupid scripts. The way to do it is to give women substantial roles in stories instead of trying to just pad male-dominated scripts with filler women characters and lines.

I think you would naturally see more of the right kind of female representation in movies if there were a larger female presence in filmmaking. As it is now, most filmmakers are men
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

I find it hilarious how the film industry, a gigantic collective of people with liberal views, gets the enormous brunt of liberal criticisms.

because you're not used to seeing people looking inward for improvement before demanding others improve?
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America is a white, male dominated society, I get that. But there are better things to care about than the Oscars imo.
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Wetterdew posted...

Wow, I knew CE wouldn't like this when I went in, but I didn't think you guys would be this hostile about it. Can we have an actual discussion about it instead of blocking your ears and screaming "who cares?"

This is actually a pretty interesting statistic. It's undeniable that movies skew toward men when it comes to getting leading roles, the same way they skew toward white people. I think there are only a few genres of movie where women are more predominant, whereas with most movie genres, it's much easier to get a script approved and sold when it's about men.

I'm not gonna argue that the academy is sexist. I found an article from 2014 that says it's 76% male with an average age of 63, and it wouldn't surprise me if most of the male voters tend to favor movies that feature men. That's not necessarily sexist, it could just be that they find the topics easier to relate to (there totally could be sexism involved, though). I think it mostly highlights a lack of female representation more than anything else.

That said, the academy is made of filmmakers, which is a group that's disproportionately male in the first place (screenwriters, directors, and so on). So if we want to see more female representation in movies/Oscar-winners, more women should get involved in filmmaking. The fact that some of 2017's most successful movies were directed by women (Patty Jenkins, who has made the only decent movie in DC's universe so far and who is coincidentally their only female director, and Greta Gerwig, for example) will help encourage girls in the future to get into the film industry because it will help remove the stigma that it's too hard for women to become famous directors.

Do you care about how teaching and nursing are disproportionately female? Or about how fewer and fewer boys are doing well in school or graduating from college?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Do you care about how teaching and nursing are disproportionately female?

wow
i wonder what the gender proportions are for the school administration, and doctors
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

The movie made by a woman had zero lines of dialogue from a woman.

Your entire wall of text is unnecessary.

@Wetterdew

Pack it up, guys, I was wrong: Sandman_40 found a single example of a woman-directed movie being about men.

@FLUFFYGERM I care about those too, but with all respect they're completely different industries to filmmaking and irrelevant to the topic, and I don't know why you'd ignore everything I wrote and instead bring up these unrelated topics other than to say "but men have problems, too" Which is true, but again, not what this thread is about
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could it be because there's always like a 10:1 ratio of men vs women producers when they're all standing up there?

patriarchy at work since female producers are clearly intentionally left out!
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

I find it hilarious how the film industry, a gigantic collective of people with liberal views, gets the enormous brunt of liberal criticisms.

because you're not used to seeing people looking inward for improvement before demanding others improve?

It's almost never postured as self improvement. It's always "fight the system".

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Do you care about how teaching and nursing are disproportionately female?

wow
i wonder what the gender proportions are for the school administration, and doctors

Probably a similar proportion to those who get MBAs and medical degrees.

Wetterdew posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

The movie made by a woman had zero lines of dialogue from a woman.

Your entire wall of text is unnecessary.

@Wetterdew

Pack it up, guys, I was wrong: Sandman_40 found a single example of a woman-directed movie being about men.

@FLUFFYGERM I care about those too, but with all respect they're completely different industries to filmmaking and irrelevant to the topic, and I don't know why you'd ignore everything I wrote and instead bring up these unrelated topics other than to say "but men have problems, too" Which is true, but again, not what this thread is about

You were posting about representation. Representation in other industries is entirely relevant to this topic.
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Antifar posted...

teepan95 posted...

I know, but could this phenomenon be explained by men speaking more across films in general, as opposed to best-picture winners?

I imagine that similar trends hold throughout film, but that, too, is an issue.

It is, but I'd rather address what I see to be the actual issue
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

You were posting about representation. Representation in other industries is entirely relevant to this topic.

TC and that poster posted about representation... in film.
So no, actually you bringing up nurses and teachers was a moot point
Also DUMB points to point out because society has long kept the standard that those jobs are typically meant for women to take
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Wetterdew posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

The movie made by a woman had zero lines of dialogue from a woman.

Your entire wall of text is unnecessary.

@Wetterdew

Pack it up, guys, I was wrong: Sandman_40 found a single example of a woman-directed movie being about men.

@FLUFFYGERM I care about those too, but with all respect they're completely different industries to filmmaking and irrelevant to the topic, and I don't know why you'd ignore everything I wrote and instead bring up these unrelated topics other than to say "but men have problems, too" Which is true, but again, not what this thread is about

You were posting about representation. Representation in other industries is entirely relevant to this topic.

I'm talking about the film industry and you really just ignored/dismissed everything I wrote and you keep trying to change the subject.
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>2018
>not ignoring proudclads opinions

Ishygddt
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Vulgorn posted...

>2018
>not ignoring proudclads opinions

Ishygddt

Which one is proudclad here?
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Men are better story tellers.
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Wetterdew posted...

Vulgorn posted...

>2018
>not ignoring proudclads opinions

Ishygddt

Which one is proudclad here?

Fluffygerm
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Kolibri X posted...

Men are better story tellers.

Uh.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

This seems like a valid complaint, but I don't really see what the solution is.

I think a good step forward would be to work on getting more women behind the camera. As producers, directors, writers, etc. And I don't think it's reasonable to expect change overnight even then, but in the long term.

A good example would be what Reese Witherspoon is doing with her production company. AFAIK she tries to do just that, and at least Big Little Lies was a huge slamdunk success. Besides, I think it's something that even the anti-SJW crowd shouldn't be too opposed to - no legislation or anything, just initiatives to make sure people who typically get bypassed get some attention.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

I find it hilarious how the film industry, a gigantic collective of people with liberal views, gets the enormous brunt of liberal criticisms.

This is a really tribal comment. I find it encouraging that liberal criticism is directed at things liberals feel deserve criticism rather than just directed at "the other side". Well, I find it encouraging when it happens. Of course liberals are a bit tribal as well.

emblem boy posted...

Anyway, is the issue that female focused movies aren't chosen for best picture and just aren't made enough? Or is it that women just don't talk enough in movies in general

I think the issue (that this illustrates) is that movies with a more even gender-distribution of dialogue, or skewed the other way, aren't nearly as common. That's a bit of speculation, maybe they are. Either way, that the male dominated movies are incredibly over-represented as Oscar winners is a problem in itself.

Vulgorn posted...

America is a white, male dominated society, I get that. But there are better things to care about than the Oscars imo.

Hmm, I don't really like this dichotomy. One can care about many things at once. Besides, I think the Oscars are actually quite an important place to look to. I would think it's unwise to underestimate how much culture influences society.
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16-BITTER posted...

I haven't seen all of these movies, but aren't there more men in the cast then women? Wouldn't it therefore make sense that men have more speaking lines than women if there are more of them?

That would be part of the issue, though.
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The King's Speech needed more woman speech.

bump
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I'd like to see what movies that didn't win awards look like on that metric
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