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MedeaLysistrata
03/01/18 4:01:45 PM
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Genuinely curious what the conservative position on this is, this isn't a "ha gotcha" attempt.

Why do so many mass shootings happen in the US but in other highly developed countries this is almost non-issue?
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KILBOTz
03/01/18 4:02:24 PM
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iron jojo
03/01/18 4:03:34 PM
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Why do they happen so often now as opposed to years ago when there were less gun laws in place
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MedeaLysistrata
03/01/18 4:07:11 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
culture decay

I can see why this might cause instability (and I agree that Western culture is in a state of decline in some respects), but this also leads to the ideological commitment that the US is the only country experiencing culture decay, which I don't think is a position a proponent of culture decay wants to accept.

iron jojo posted...
Why do they happen so often now as opposed to years ago when there were less gun laws in place

i don't know why but also i don't think that having more gun laws is what is causing more shootings, even if more gun laws isn't the solution to mass shootings
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Romulox28
03/01/18 4:08:43 PM
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my ultra conservative mom blames it on a lack of religiosity, crumbling family values, The View (the TV show, not sure how this works in), liberal teachers, and violent video games/movies
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MedeaLysistrata
03/01/18 4:10:14 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
my ultra conservative mom blames it on a lack of religiosity, crumbling family values, The View (the TV show, not sure how this works in), liberal teachers, and violent video games/movies

i can understand some of these, and i guess this is also a 'culture decay argument'

lol at The View
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Sephiroth1288
03/01/18 4:10:40 PM
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KILBOTz
03/01/18 4:10:41 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
KILBOTz posted...
culture decay

I can see why this might cause instability (and I agree that Western culture is in a state of decline in some respects), but this also leads to the ideological commitment that the US is the only country experiencing culture decay, which I don't think is a position a proponent of culture decay wants to accept.



at least the churches I went to growing up that were the evangelical right, it was something to the effect of USA is an uniquely blessed nation by God and we are going from a nation in his grace to a nation outside his grace. The other countries without this issue have long been out of his grace.
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hockeybub89
03/01/18 4:11:13 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
my ultra conservative mom blames it on a lack of religiosity, crumbling family values, The View (the TV show, not sure how this works in), liberal teachers, and violent video games/movies

Why is God such a whiny asshole? Maybe he should show his fucking face and do something instead of just sitting back and letting people die out of spite because less people are having faith the longer he stays nonexistent.

I'm glad he doesn't actually exist because no one should have to suffer under his evil oppression.
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Uncle Choad
03/01/18 4:11:38 PM
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Price of freedom, my friend.
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iron jojo
03/01/18 4:13:19 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
i don't know why but also i don't think that having more gun laws is what is causing more shootings, even if more gun laws isn't the solution to mass shootings

Oh neither do I. I think parenting is the strongest factor. You should have to apply to be a parent imo.
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Romulox28
03/01/18 4:13:56 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Romulox28 posted...
my ultra conservative mom blames it on a lack of religiosity, crumbling family values, The View (the TV show, not sure how this works in), liberal teachers, and violent video games/movies

Why is God such a whiny asshole? Maybe he should show his fucking face and do something instead of just sitting back and letting people die out of spite because less people are having faith the longer he stays nonexistent.

I'm glad he doesn't actually exist because no one should have to suffer under his evil oppression.

he's too busy helping my mom find her car keys
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KingCrabCake
03/01/18 4:14:01 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
culture decay

This x10000
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MedeaLysistrata
03/01/18 4:14:43 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
MedeaLysistrata posted...
KILBOTz posted...
culture decay

I can see why this might cause instability (and I agree that Western culture is in a state of decline in some respects), but this also leads to the ideological commitment that the US is the only country experiencing culture decay, which I don't think is a position a proponent of culture decay wants to accept.



at least the churches I went to growing up that were the evangelical right, it was something to the effect of USA is an uniquely blessed nation by God and we are going from a nation in his grace to a nation outside his grace. The other countries without this issue have long been out of his grace.

this is pretty interesting conceptual eschatology
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Darmik
03/01/18 4:35:13 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
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There are some weird ass mental gymnastics in that article.

They're measuring 'frequency of mass shootings' by solely looking at the death toll. Norway's single mass shooting shot them up to the top of the list.

The CPRC has also collected data on the worst mass public shootings, those cases where at least 15 people were killed in the attack.

There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed. Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom.

But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germanys and five times the U.K.s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher.

Small countries such as Norway, Israel and Australia may have only one major attack each, one-fourth of what the U.S. has suffered, but the US population is vastly greater. If they suffered attacks at a rate adjusted for their population, Norway, Israel and Australia would have had attacks that were respectively 16, 11, and 3 times greater than the US.


Wtf is this shit?

On top of this the article is sadly dated;
On March 22nd, 2016, Belgium had a bombing attacks at an airport and subway that killed 31 people and wounded 180. That is worse than any mass public shooting in the US in terms of fatalities and woundings.A

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Sephiroth1288
03/01/18 4:42:27 PM
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Darmik posted...
There are some weird ass mental gymnastics in that article.

They're measuring 'frequency of mass shootings' by solely looking at the death toll. Norway's single mass shooting shot them up to the top of the list.

Why wouldn't you take deaths into account? Does lethality not matter iyo?
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Darmik
03/01/18 4:43:54 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Darmik posted...
There are some weird ass mental gymnastics in that article.

They're measuring 'frequency of mass shootings' by solely looking at the death toll. Norway's single mass shooting shot them up to the top of the list.

Why wouldn't you take deaths into account? Does lethality not matter iyo?


So would you say that terrorist attacks in America are more frequent than European countries because of the death toll of 9/11? That's pretty much what they're doing.
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Tyranthraxus
03/01/18 4:48:53 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Genuinely curious what the conservative position on this is, this isn't a "ha gotcha" attempt.

Why do so many mass shootings happen in the US but in other highly developed countries this is almost non-issue?


The short answer is because we have a giant media engine designed to make a reality show out of their programming wherein they turn shooter events into this greek tragedian epic dramas where the shooter is a nihilistic anti hero and it inspires other people to "get an even larger body count"
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03/01/18 4:49:50 PM
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What is the conservative position on the uniqueness of American mass shootings?

Unfortunate small price to pay for freedom.
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darkjedilink
03/01/18 4:51:37 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
MedeaLysistrata posted...
Genuinely curious what the conservative position on this is, this isn't a "ha gotcha" attempt.

Why do so many mass shootings happen in the US but in other highly developed countries this is almost non-issue?

The short answer is because we have a giant media engine designed to make a reality show out of their programming wherein they turn shooter events into this greek tragedian epic dramas where the shooter is a nihilistic anti hero and it inspires other people to "get an even larger body count"

This, actually. Most gun violence that could be considered a mass shooting is actually gang-related, but calling that out is not only somehow racist, but actually won't do anything for their anti-gun propaganda.
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Metro2
03/01/18 4:53:02 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
my ultra conservative mom blames it on a lack of religiosity, crumbling family values, The View (the TV show, not sure how this works in), liberal teachers, and violent video games/movies


Tell her that the Nordic countries are nonreligious and liberal, and that they are very safe countries. I wonder what her response will be.
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metralo
03/01/18 4:55:23 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
MedeaLysistrata posted...
Genuinely curious what the conservative position on this is, this isn't a "ha gotcha" attempt.

Why do so many mass shootings happen in the US but in other highly developed countries this is almost non-issue?

The short answer is because we have a giant media engine designed to make a reality show out of their programming wherein they turn shooter events into this greek tragedian epic dramas where the shooter is a nihilistic anti hero and it inspires other people to "get an even larger body count"

This, actually. Most gun violence that could be considered a mass shooting is actually gang-related, but calling that out is not only somehow racist, but actually won't do anything for their anti-gun propaganda.


except gang related gun violence is a big talking point for liberals too, one of the reasons we income inequality and mental health issues for men is something they're constantly talking about

its probably just racist when you bring it up because you think obama was the reason your wife left your ass lmao
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hockeybub89
03/02/18 12:20:49 AM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Darmik posted...
There are some weird ass mental gymnastics in that article.

They're measuring 'frequency of mass shootings' by solely looking at the death toll. Norway's single mass shooting shot them up to the top of the list.

Why wouldn't you take deaths into account? Does lethality not matter iyo?

To frequency, no. If America had a school shooting every school day for 5 years with an average of 2 deaths each and England had 1 singular event of 9/11 scale over the same time period, would you say England has a bigger problem? Argue frequency or body count, but don't conflate the two. They are not synonymous and you know that because you speak English at least at a 5th grade level.
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Unsugarized_Foo
03/02/18 12:22:33 AM
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KingCrabCake posted...
KILBOTz posted...
culture decay

This x10000

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hockeybub89
03/02/18 12:25:10 AM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
KILBOTz posted...
culture decay

This x10000

So do you guys mean too little Christianity or too many foreigners?
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Unsugarized_Foo
03/02/18 12:26:15 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
KILBOTz posted...
culture decay

This x10000

So do you guys mean too little Christianity or too many foreigners?


Do your parents know you're gay?
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Sephiroth1288
03/02/18 2:13:05 PM
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Darmik posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Darmik posted...
There are some weird ass mental gymnastics in that article.

They're measuring 'frequency of mass shootings' by solely looking at the death toll. Norway's single mass shooting shot them up to the top of the list.

Why wouldn't you take deaths into account? Does lethality not matter iyo?


So would you say that terrorist attacks in America are more frequent than European countries because of the death toll of 9/11? That's pretty much what they're doing.

In terms of lethality yes.
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