Current Events > Identity politics and Nazism are the same thing

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Each ideology insists that one's group identity is paramount over their individual merits.

A Nazi will say all white people deserve credit for the results of the Renaissance. An identity politics advocate will say all white people deserve credit for the results of slavery.

What's the difference? The answer to both sorts of people is that no person is responsible for the actions of other people who happen to share their skin color/gender/sexuality/etc.
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same shit both sides! is an old meme
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Gotta say that there are some details re: Nazism being left out in this comparison
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Antifar posted...

Gotta say that there are some details re: Nazism being left out in this comparison

lol
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Antifar posted...

Gotta say that there are some details re: Nazism being left out in this comparison

Like how it's a collectivist form of government that seized the means of production, like socialist countries do?
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Identity politics and Nazism are the same thing

is this why rightists love to play identity politics so much then?

it all finally makes sense
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I don't think the ess jay dubyas have committed any genocides
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Antifar posted...

Gotta say that there are some details re: Nazism being left out in this comparison

Like how it's a collectivist form of government that seized the means of production, like socialist countries do?

No, but I look forward to how much gymnastics you can do to avoid the obvious.
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Which alt-right YouTuber did you regurgitate this vomit from?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

An identity politics advocate

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Darmik posted...

Which alt-right YouTuber did you regurgitate this vomit from?

It's funny cause it's more than likely true.
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same thing both sides
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You are just as prone to identity politics as leftists, Mal.
Just a different set of identities.
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DrizztLink posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Antifar posted...

Gotta say that there are some details re: Nazism being left out in this comparison

Like how it's a collectivist form of government that seized the means of production, like socialist countries do?

No, but I look forward to how much gymnastics you can do to avoid the obvious.

Same.
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Identity politics is basically marxist in nature and used to destabilise society.

The left mainly uses if to take advantage of minorities by playing them off against each other, it's a pretty disgusting practice.

Antifar posted...

Gotta say that there are some details re: Nazism being left out in this comparison

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mal defending and deflecting nazis

day ending in y
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metralo posted...

mal defending and deflecting nazis

day ending in y

How long do you think he's going to keep it up before he feels like he needs to make another "Nazis are bad, obviously I wouldn't ever defend them duh" topic again?
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@Newhopes posted...

Identity politics is basically marxist in nature and used to destabilise society.

The left mainly uses if to take advantage of minorities by playing them off against each other, it's a pretty disgusting practice.

What is the religious right, Alex?
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Zeeak4444 posted...

@Newhopes posted...

Identity politics is basically marxist in nature and used to destabilise society.

The left mainly uses if to take advantage of minorities by playing them off against each other, it's a pretty disgusting practice.

What is the religious right, Alex?

The lefts boogeyman that hasn't had any real power in decades.

+ the left is acting a awful lot like the religious right currently with it's moral panic and holier than thou attitude.

Newhopes posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

@Newhopes posted...

Identity politics is basically marxist in nature and used to destabilise society.

The left mainly uses if to take advantage of minorities by playing them off against each other, it's a pretty disgusting practice.

What is the religious right, Alex?

The lefts boogeyman that hasn't had any real power in decades.

+ the left is acting a awful lot like the religious right currently with it's moral panic and holier than thou attitude.

You seem to think I find the left to be better than the right. That's a mistake on your part.

They're both cancer. Your post changed nothing.

Also "hasn't had any power" is pretty laughable but carry on with your head in the ground.
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metralo posted...

mal defending and deflecting nazis

What part of the OP indicates I'm defending Nazis...
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Mals weekly reminder that he believes Nazis were leftist because take that liberals
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Mal continues his sus behavior regarding Nazis. What a shitty thing to troll about
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Mals weekly reminder that he believes Nazis were leftist because take that liberals

No, they were leftist because their political policies aligned with traditional leftist policies.
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Man, now identity politics are exclusively part of "Da left" too. I'm still reeling over the life shattering revelation that the Nazis were far-left socialists. Mal telling truths that the leftist agenda has been suppressing since the 1940s.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Man, now identity politics are exclusively part of "Da left" too. I'm still reeling over the life shattering revelation that the Nazis were far-left socialists.

- Collectivist
- Big government
- Heavily regulated businesses
- Seized the means of production
- Increased social services
- Persecuted capitalist bankers (Jews)

Sounds right-wing to me!
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Newhopes posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

@Newhopes posted...

Identity politics is basically marxist in nature and used to destabilise society.

The left mainly uses if to take advantage of minorities by playing them off against each other, it's a pretty disgusting practice.

What is the religious right, Alex?

The lefts boogeyman that hasn't had any real power in decades.

+ the left is acting a awful lot like the religious right currently with it's moral panic and holier than thou attitude.

You seem to think I find the left to be better than the right. That's a mistake on your part.

They're both cancer. Your post changed nothing.

Also "hasn't had any power" is pretty laughable but carry on with your head in the ground.

How much left and how much right is cancer? Are you one of those extreme centrists? That might actually be the most insufferable position.
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No, Mal believes Nazis are left because D'Souza told him in a book where he equated FDR and the rise of the left, through Clinton, with nazism.

Never mind that it was literally the countryside populist parties in rural Germany that was the earliest foundations of the Nazi party, or that Hitler openly hating the Social Democrats and "Bolshevik Marxists", and claiming their socialism wasn't real socialism, he still believes in his heart it was a leftist ideology embraced by the Democratic party.

It's really crazy
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Man, now identity politics are exclusively part of "Da left" too. I'm still reeling over the life shattering revelation that the Nazis were far-left socialists.

- Collectivist
- Big government
- Heavily regulated businesses
- Seized the means of production
- Increased social services
- Persecuted capitalist bankers (Jews)

Sounds right-wing to me!

Why have people been afraid to state this before you? Has this truth been actively suppressed since WW2? We all know America was super liberal back when it was imprisoning Japanese citizens and treating black people as lesser.

Also, why are all the people who have actively supported the Nazi ideals and displayed their iconography since then been the exact opposite of far right? I hate to kind of compliment neo Nazis, but not a single one of them realized they are inadvertently supporting such a far-left regime?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Mals weekly reminder that he believes Nazis were leftist because take that liberals

No, they were leftist because their political policies aligned with traditional leftist policies.

Do more research onto Nazi Germany aside from D'Souzas book please.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/billosophizing/status/898248950263709697
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https://www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

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I just can't believe Mal called Trump a Nazi.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Newhopes posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

@Newhopes posted...

Identity politics is basically marxist in nature and used to destabilise society.

The left mainly uses if to take advantage of minorities by playing them off against each other, it's a pretty disgusting practice.

What is the religious right, Alex?

The lefts boogeyman that hasn't had any real power in decades.

+ the left is acting a awful lot like the religious right currently with it's moral panic and holier than thou attitude.

You seem to think I find the left to be better than the right. That's a mistake on your part.

They're both cancer. Your post changed nothing.

Also "hasn't had any power" is pretty laughable but carry on with your head in the ground.

How much left and how much right is cancer? Are you one of those extreme centrists? That might actually be the most insufferable position.

The far left and the religious right/alt-right.

I don't have a problem with the left or right who don't play identity politics period.

Edit: "the most insufferable" is subjective anyways so it's a moot point.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

No, Mal believes Nazis are left because D'Souza told him in a book where he equated FDR and the rise of the left, through Clinton, with nazism.

Never mind that it was literally the countryside populist parties in rural Germany that was the earliest foundations of the Nazi party, or that Hitler openly hating the Social Democrats and "Bolshevik Marxists", and claiming their socialism wasn't real socialism, he still believes in his heart it was a leftist ideology embraced by the Democratic party.

It's really crazy

He was the guy who made fun of the Florida mass shooting survivors right?
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Darmik posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

No, Mal believes Nazis are left because D'Souza told him in a book where he equated FDR and the rise of the left, through Clinton, with nazism.

Never mind that it was literally the countryside populist parties in rural Germany that was the earliest foundations of the Nazi party, or that Hitler openly hating the Social Democrats and "Bolshevik Marxists", and claiming their socialism wasn't real socialism, he still believes in his heart it was a leftist ideology embraced by the Democratic party.

It's really crazy

He was the guy who made fun of the Florida mass shooting survivors right?

Yep
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

https://www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

According to historians, the complicated moniker reveals more about the image the party wanted to project and the constituency it aimed to build than it did about the Nazis true political goals, which were building a state based on racial superiority and brute-force governance.

But I heard names don't lie. This is why China, North Korea, and Congo are such democratic utopias that love the people.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Man, now identity politics are exclusively part of "Da left" too. I'm still reeling over the life shattering revelation that the Nazis were far-left socialists.

- Collectivist
- Big government
- Heavily regulated businesses
- Seized the means of production
- Increased social services
- Persecuted capitalist bankers (Jews)

Sounds right-wing to me!

I've seen you post numerous threads about Nazism = leftist/socialism over the past year Mal. In all seriousness (I'm not trying to be funny), why don't you reach out to a poli sci professor at a local college/university to confirm/revise this personal theory of yours? So far every time you put forward this thesis on CE, it just ends up with back and forth arguments. You'd get some feedback and possible suggestions of places to to refine the argument if nothing else.

Those who believe the Nazis are socialists must surely have consistent views on the truthfulness of naming when antifa comes up
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Ruvan22 posted...

In all seriousness (I'm not trying to be funny), why don't you reach out to a poli sci professor at a local college/university to confirm/revise this personal theory of yours?

But all colleges are liberal safe spaces so he can't trust those biased dogmatists. It's got to be hard being the only person in the world who knows the truth.
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I don't have time to get into much, but here's two good topics from the Historian subreddit describing the situation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4ydl63/why_did_the_nazis_call_themselves_socialist_when/d6mykrr/

These writers offered spiritual utopias to oppose the materialist utopia of Marxism, and there is certainly a zeitgeisty insincerity about their use of the term: In 1918-1919, socialism was the future. These writers sensed that conservatism would have to to integrate "socialism" into its slogans if it wanted to survive in any form.

Many, in sum, had already thought of joining nationalism to socialism. Their goal was not to promote the egalitarian socialism of the Chartists, of Marx, or of the SPD, but to displace it. In this light Anton Drexler is little more than a political copycat. Without Hitler, his movement would have fizzled like so many others, including National Bolshevism. To give you an idea of how commonplace the idea of "German" or "National" socialism was, Hitler's party joined with Julius Streicher's in 1921. Streicher's Party? "German Socialist."

But Nazism never truly won the allegiance of the working classes. Skilled workers and those involved in the labor movement cleaved to the SPD (Socialists) right until the end, while unskilled labor and the urban poor voted increasingly for the Communists right until 1933. Clearly the appeal of Nazism was not that it was truly "socialist" in the sense that we now understand that term, or even that anyone mistakenly believed it to be so, but rather that it offered the nervous middle of society a cure to the disease of socialism. Probably more by his political instincts than by any actual research or planning, Hitler had succeeded in extracting the political sap from the early theorists, leaving behind the intellectual pith. In doing so, he succeeded where they had failed in building a mass following.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4kg34a/the_nazis_refered_to_themselves_as_socialists_but/d3expxo/

That one's a bit longer, but still a better idea of the truth on what the make up of the party actually was instead of equating it with the modern left in the US
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Ruvan22 posted...

I've seen you post numerous threads about Nazism = leftist/socialism over the past year Mal. In all seriousness (I'm not trying to be funny), why don't you reach out to a poli sci professor at a local college/university to confirm/revise this personal theory of yours? So far every time you put forward this thesis on CE, it just ends up with back and forth arguments. You'd get some feedback and possible suggestions of places to to refine the argument if nothing else.

Because colleges are just liberal indoctrination centers that stray away from the truth and only provide a safe space for the SJW snowflake libcucks.
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

I've seen you post numerous threads about Nazism = leftist/socialism over the past year Mal. In all seriousness (I'm not trying to be funny), why don't you reach out to a poli sci professor at a local college/university to confirm/revise this personal theory of yours? So far every time you put forward this thesis on CE, it just ends up with back and forth arguments. You'd get some feedback and possible suggestions of places to to refine the argument if nothing else.

Because colleges are just liberal indoctrination centers that stray away from the truth and only provide a safe space for the SJW snowflake libcucks.

Thats exactly the type of shit hed say too lol
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Ruvan22 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Man, now identity politics are exclusively part of "Da left" too. I'm still reeling over the life shattering revelation that the Nazis were far-left socialists.

- Collectivist
- Big government
- Heavily regulated businesses
- Seized the means of production
- Increased social services
- Persecuted capitalist bankers (Jews)

Sounds right-wing to me!

I've seen you post numerous threads about Nazism = leftist/socialism over the past year Mal. In all seriousness (I'm not trying to be funny), why don't you reach out to a poli sci professor at a local college/university to confirm/revise this personal theory of yours? So far every time you put forward this thesis on CE, it just ends up with back and forth arguments. You'd get some feedback and possible suggestions of places to to refine the argument if nothing else.

He doesn't want to refine his theory, he just wants to get people to yell at each other
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

or that Hitler openly hating the Social Democrats and "Bolshevik Marxists", and claiming their socialism wasn't real socialism,

You literally described how all socialists describe variants to socialism other than their own...
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man what