Current Events > Black Panther was fantastic. Do you have any criticisms? *spoilers*

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Just saw it last night. I loved how sharp the writing and characterization were. Can't think of anything at the moment that detracted from the movie other than some of the comedic lines coming at very tense moments.
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Walked out of the movie 30 minutes in.
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How he beat Killmonger felt kinda cheap tbh
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MBJ's acting was way too stoic IMO.
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It made sense to kill Andy Serkis' character but boy do I wish they could have found a way to establish Killmonger's credibility without it coming to that. Serkis was fantastic.
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Renraku_San posted...

Walked out of the movie 30 minutes in.

Found the racist.

I kid.
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

MBJ's acting was way too stoic IMO.

"Nah, we ain't doing that challenge **** anymore"
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the part where they revived black panther then cut away to him instantly attacking wakonda. It felt really sudden but other than that i enjoyed it.
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The criticism i have for that movie is probably the same i have for the majority of MCU films in general, it felt safe and predictable. Black panther is still in my top 5 MCU films though.
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Also, that part of the car chase scene that they showed in the trailers wasn't as exciting during the movie.
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It was a bit to predictable. Felt like every other Marvel origin. I expected a lot more based on reviews.

also the CGI in some parts was pretty bad, which really hurt some of the action scenes.
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It was a little predictable.

I also don't like how little they cared about collateral damage in the car chase, especially considering Wakanda's stance in Civil War.

Also, a vibranium car blew up. Cleaning that up and getting all the pieces should have been a pretty huge priority.
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People talking in the theater.

The cgi was fucking abysmal in spots. Also, I don't feel like Kilmonger taking over the throne was as impact as they were going for because we barely got to see T'Challa as King in the first place. It wasn't as emotional as it should've been, it felt like it should've been a story for a sequel.
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BPs chacterization is kind of all over the place in the MCU. He went from a revenge crazed vigilante to a righteous king. I feel like they essentially made him Captain America in a different suit for his own movie. I liked him better in Civil War.

Also, Klau was underutilized...or overutilized. They hit a weird middle of the road where I feel they should've used Killmonger more in his place or made Klau the big bad.
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Should've been more of Killmonger as king. Not have him be stopped immediately. But that's mostly IW's fault.
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bump
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Renraku_San posted...

Walked out of the movie 30 minutes in.

Are you just being dramatic because I can't imagine paying the exorbitant price for a cinema ticket and just storming out 30 minutes in because I'm not enjoying it so far.
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I can't think of anything that I feel should have been done better. different, maybe... but not sure if better. it's a pretty solid movie.

I'm starting to wonder if this is the MCU's Illmatic.
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More Claw!! That was the only thing I found wrong with it.
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So will subsequent films address the burning of the heart-shaped fruit garden and thus the end for all future Black Panthers? Wish they showed a scene where the one flower they kept to revive T'Challa was also used to plant seeds for the future heart-shaped fruit. Really bugged me how the movie doesn't address this.
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T'Challa might be some big deal in Wakanda or wherever it is, but around everywhere else he's just another Superhero.
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Kind of rolled my eyes when the army breakdown between T'Challa and Killmonger's final battle fell between gender lines.

Beyond that, (and I hate saying it) it ducked politics too much. Bringing out Wakandan tech to the world, one full of people that think like Killmonger, should be a major ethical issue in the vein of star Trek's prime directive. Instead it wasn't seriously questioned and not given the best context as to why they hid so long.
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pinky0926 posted...

Renraku_San posted...

Walked out of the movie 30 minutes in.

Are you just being dramatic because I can't imagine paying the exorbitant price for a cinema ticket and just storming out 30 minutes in because I'm not enjoying it so far.

It's called "disposable income". One day you will move out of your parent's basement, and be able to spend money of your own.
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The what are those line was really cheesy but that was the only thing I didn't like in the movie

My only complaint is the CGI. Black panther looked alot better in civil war.
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It became predictable after the 2nd challenge and the CGI needed work at the end.

Other than that, I loved it! Give it a 8.5-9/10.

I liked Kilmonger as a character, might even be the best MCU villain, but I still don't like Michael B Jordan as an actor. Granted, I've only seen the movies that he gets average praise in.
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Lexus ad ruined the car chase scene.
Colonizer! makes no sense given that the point of Wakanda is that they've never been colonized.

Most of my complaints are in universe stuff like wtf were they doing during WW2 and criticisms about how they "elect" leaders (which is kind of the point about breaking traditions) and IRL reactions/climate.

The movie itself was well made, well acted, well written for the most part.

Dunno how Killmonger knew about the vibranium axe and why it hadn't been taken before or why educated anthropologists and scientists couldn't figure out it was special. I also don't know why the axe was never seen again. That whole scene in the museum kinda took me out of the movie.

The rhinos were cheesy af, also Shuri's gauntlet blasters, which only exist to sell toys. Utter trash.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

I liked Kilmonger as a character, might even be the best MCU villain, but I still don't like Michael B Jordan as an actor. Granted, I've only seen the movies that he gets average praise in.

Did you see Fruitvale Station?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Colonizer!

honestly that just felt mean spirited to me.
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My only complaint was due to the row of children that would not be quiet for most of the movie. It was enjoyable


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Vol2tex posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

I liked Kilmonger as a character, might even be the best MCU villain, but I still don't like Michael B Jordan as an actor. Granted, I've only seen the movies that he gets average praise in.

Did you see Fruitvale Station?

Nope
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Most of my complaints are in universe stuff like wtf were they doing during WW2

...nothing? It didn't affect them. But they did allow the US to make a vibranium shield so they contributed a fair amount actually.
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Renraku_San posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Renraku_San posted...

Walked out of the movie 30 minutes in.

Are you just being dramatic because I can't imagine paying the exorbitant price for a cinema ticket and just storming out 30 minutes in because I'm not enjoying it so far.

It's called "disposable income". One day you will move out of your parent's basement, and be able to spend money of your own.

Sounds like you knew you wouldn't enjoy the movie but bought a ticket anyway just to walk out for attention. You're either a stuck up kid with money or just trolling.
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Knowledge_King posted...

...nothing? It didn't affect them.

Well, it's unlikely Hitler if not defeated by the Allies wouldn't have taken Africa including Wakanda eventually, especially with the Red Skull in control of the Tesseract. Sorry but sitting on the sidelines on this one is morally unacceptable. They were just as vulnerable here as they would have been if the Chitauri invasion was successful.

As for giving them credit for Cap's shield, there's no indication that they knew or willingly contributed.
IIRC they never get into how Howard got the vibranium but given their history, it's unlikely they knew he had it.

But I really don't see why you're defending them here, one of the themes of BP was how isolationism is bad.
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Felt really short
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CGI was atrocious. I question whether 95% of the movie wasn't filmed with a greenscreen backdrop
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Just saw it. Story was alright. Nothing spectactular, but safe and servicable. Exactly what I would expect from a Superhero 'origin' film. I expect a sequel can build off of it quite nicely. In many ways, it was a counterpart to Thor; heir apparent has to face the mortality of his father and learn to be his own kind of king after he loses his powers in the second act, the bad guy is a close relative, etc.

The real treat was the action sequences and the visuals. The action was top notch and all the performers did well. The world they created was beautiful and creative and just fun to look at. They really made you feel like there was an entire nation there just waiting to be explored.

I feel that a really advanced country like Wakanda should have a more appropriate way of deciding who should be king. Being the best fighter does not mean you have the required leadership qualities to lead and develop the most advanced country on Earth. On a related note, it feels quite insensible to have this ruler also be your most elite operative, meaning he'll have to split his time between actually ruling and doing missions.
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It was ok. Nothing to write home about. I probably wouldn't have seen it had I not been able to watch it for free.
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scar the 1 posted...

I feel that a really advanced country like Wakanda should have a more appropriate way of deciding who should be king. Being the best fighter does not mean you have the required leadership qualities to lead and develop the most advanced country on Earth. On a related note, it feels quite insensible to have this ruler also be your most elite operative, meaning he'll have to split his time between actually ruling and doing missions.

Meanwhile, Captain America is Shield's best weapon, and Tony Stark splits his time between being the CEO of the most advanced technology company in the world and fighting monsters with laser beams. I think you are overthinking the plot here.

Dash_Harber posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I feel that a really advanced country like Wakanda should have a more appropriate way of deciding who should be king. Being the best fighter does not mean you have the required leadership qualities to lead and develop the most advanced country on Earth. On a related note, it feels quite insensible to have this ruler also be your most elite operative, meaning he'll have to split his time between actually ruling and doing missions.

Meanwhile, Captain America is Shield's best weapon, and Tony Stark splits his time between being the CEO of the most advanced technology company in the world and fighting monsters with laser beams. I think you are overthinking the plot here.

I'm overthinking it on purpose
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Love love love it, but I do feel like MBJ's acting was a bit...off? Maybe just not as strong as the others. Or maybe the American accent just felt like it was lacking gravitas in comparison. Idk.

And yeah RIP Klaue, fun villain.
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scar the 1 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I feel that a really advanced country like Wakanda should have a more appropriate way of deciding who should be king. Being the best fighter does not mean you have the required leadership qualities to lead and develop the most advanced country on Earth. On a related note, it feels quite insensible to have this ruler also be your most elite operative, meaning he'll have to split his time between actually ruling and doing missions.

Meanwhile, Captain America is Shield's best weapon, and Tony Stark splits his time between being the CEO of the most advanced technology company in the world and fighting monsters with laser beams. I think you are overthinking the plot here.

I'm overthinking it on purpose

Fair enough. I was actually thinking about it and we honestly don't know how much he is involved in things. It appears they have some sort of 'parliament' with the heads of each tribe being in charge of different parts of the country (for example, there is a merchant tribe, a security tribe, etc). He may just show up for important events and ceremonial purposes. It appears that the country is heavily structured to keep going if the Black Panther is incapacitated. Sort of case-in-point;When Killmonger takes over, the country is not impeded in the least. Every single group still functions exactly as they should.

As for him risking his life, that's actually pretty common through history. Some cultures put a premium on having leaders that are physically as well as mentally capable. It's also really important to note that their medicine is incredibly advanced (to the point where a gunshot to the spine can be cured in a matter of hours), and he has one of the most advanced armor suits in the world (judging by the films, it's actually better armor than Iron Man's suit despite lacking the gadgets and weapons), so stopping a bunch of guerrilla fighters in the jungle is probably not a huge deal.

The only thing I didn't like is that they should have given the bad guy more screen time. He was awesome. In the comics , he has beaten death, I hope he does so here too.
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Also, if I had to give a criticism, there was a huge plot hole I didn't understand;

Why would bringing Killmonger back to Wakanda as a child have revealed their secret? There are plenty of unsolved murders and missing persons. They obviously left his father's body just lying their with slash marks in his chest, so it's not like they were worried about authorities investigating.

Dash_Harber posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I feel that a really advanced country like Wakanda should have a more appropriate way of deciding who should be king. Being the best fighter does not mean you have the required leadership qualities to lead and develop the most advanced country on Earth. On a related note, it feels quite insensible to have this ruler also be your most elite operative, meaning he'll have to split his time between actually ruling and doing missions.

Meanwhile, Captain America is Shield's best weapon, and Tony Stark splits his time between being the CEO of the most advanced technology company in the world and fighting monsters with laser beams. I think you are overthinking the plot here.

I'm overthinking it on purpose

Fair enough. I was actually thinking about it and we honestly don't know how much he is involved in things. It appears they have some sort of 'parliament' with the heads of each tribe being in charge of different parts of the country (for example, there is a merchant tribe, a security tribe, etc). He may just show up for important events and ceremonial purposes. It appears that the country is heavily structured to keep going if the Black Panther is incapacitated. Sort of case-in-point;When Killmonger takes over, the country is not impeded in the least. Every single group still functions exactly as they should.

As for him risking his life, that's actually pretty common through history. Some cultures put a premium on having leaders that are physically as well as mentally capable. It's also really important to note that their medicine is incredibly advanced (to the point where a gunshot to the spine can be cured in a matter of hours), and he has one of the most advanced armor suits in the world (judging by the films, it's actually better armor than Iron Man's suit despite lacking the gadgets and weapons), so stopping a bunch of guerrilla fighters in the jungle is probably not a huge deal.

I appreciate that you gave it serious thought, because it's a fun and silly discussion. The country seems to run fine without him, maybe yes. But keep in mind that his advisors even explicitly wants him to stay and rule. Considering that he's their most valuable operative asset, that suggests he's quite crucial to the ruling of Wakanda. And as we see in the film, the king's power is absolute to the point that everyone will follow crazy orders like arming the world, burning the plants, etc. There seems to be no constitution to speak of that protects the sacred tradition. That kind of power should surely not be granted through mortal kombat, but rather through testing relevant qualities.

And yes, it's common through history for rulers to risk their lives. The civilized world moved away from that because they realized that it's putting too much risk in one place. The most advanced country in the world should surely have made similar risk analyses, no? :)
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the only real part that I didn't like was Klaue.

I really don't get the praise for him; I thought that he was a total ham.

maybe that's the point, but I didn't find it entertaining.

besides that, BP is probably my favorite movie in the MCU
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