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PlantLivesMatte 02/24/18 11:01:33 PM #1: |
Just a few of the noteworthy items from the video: -It is now more lucrative for the Venezuelan military to traffic food instead of drugs thanks to hyperinflation and food shortages. -World of Warcraft (video game) money is now more valuable than Venezuelan money. Venezuela used to be the richest economy in South America before socialist thugs put their loyalists in charge of the oil industry. -Speaking of money, many Venezuelans are ditching the Bolivar and investing in BItcoin instead. -Venezuelan hospitals are severely lacking supplies, sheets, soap, etc. Performing surgery is likened to practicing "battlefield medicine." Infant deaths and malaria cases are also skyrocketing across the country due to severe lack of medical shortages and lack of food. Venezuelans report that they have to bring their own medicine to hospitals if they want treatment as doctors lack 80% of the medicine they need. In 2017 alone, infant mortality rose to almost 35%, and maternal mortality rose to 65%. -Venezuelans have lost an average of 19 lbs. in weight due to food shortages (meanwhile, Maduro was seen snacking during a live TV broadcast and consequently ridiculed for getting fat during a food shortage). Venezuela is now #1 in Latina America for acute malnutrition. -82% of Venezuelans now live in poverty, and mass migration of Venezuelans to other countries is taking place. -After the Venezuelan Supreme Court dissolved congress and declared Maduro to be the National Assembly, Maduro claimed it was a "right wing conspiracy." After much protest and global condemnation, the Venezuelan Supreme Court reinstated the National Assembly. Or do you side with Bernie Sanders? --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Manocheese 02/24/18 11:08:31 PM #3: |
According to socialists, all the problems you listed are caused by capitalism. If Venezuela simply became even more socialist, those problems would go away.
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REMercsChamp 02/24/18 11:09:18 PM #4: |
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PlantLivesMatte 02/24/18 11:51:59 PM #5: |
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Free video games and money for everyone will fix these issues Would that be sustainable in the long run? --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Annihilated 02/24/18 11:55:09 PM #6: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
REMercsChamp posted...Free video games and money for everyone will fix these issues He's probably kidding but I never know with him. I've caught him masquerading as a conservative poster many times. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 02/24/18 11:56:59 PM #7: |
venezuela is not socialist, and their problems are caused by US imperialism
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prince_leo 02/24/18 11:57:12 PM #8: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
Venezuela used to be the richest economy in South America before socialist thugs put their loyalists in charge of the oil industry. this is a bit of an oversimplification --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hinakuluiau 02/24/18 11:57:45 PM #9: |
Wasn't TC confirmed to be Proudclad?
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CircleOfManias 02/24/18 11:58:56 PM #10: |
You know how that political compass thing has two axes? Venezuela's problems have fuck all to do with the left/right axis and everything to do with being off the charts authoritarian.
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Kazi1212 02/24/18 11:59:04 PM #11: |
averagejoel posted...
venezuela is not socialist, and their problems are caused by US imperialism Can you give me an example in history of a country that you would call a successful socialist or communist nation? Just looking to see where the baseline is --- I don't know my gimmick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantLivesMatte 02/24/18 11:59:43 PM #12: |
CircleOfManias posted...
You know how that political compass thing has two axes? Venezuela's problems have fuck all to do with the left/right axis and everything to do with being off the charts authoritarian. So how would you fix it to make it a non-authoritarian, socialist/communist country? --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 02/25/18 12:00:25 AM #13: |
CircleOfManias posted...
You know how that political compass thing has two axes? Venezuela's problems have fuck all to do with the left/right axis and everything to do with being off the charts authoritarian. it has far more to do with the US being imperialist than with any internal politics but ok --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fishy 02/25/18 12:01:02 AM #14: |
averagejoel posted...
venezuela is not socialist, and their problems are caused by US imperialism so basically in a perfect world socialism would work but when literally anything impedes it the whole system implodes? --- ~Dr. FishyStick| Welcome Back. http://i.imgur.com/z50xS2H.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 12:02:30 AM #15: |
Is it America's fault that socialist Venezuela now produces less than 2 million barrels of oil per day as confirmed by OPEC to be the lowest oil producing country in the world?
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averagejoel 02/25/18 12:03:02 AM #16: |
Fishy posted...
averagejoel posted...venezuela is not socialist, and their problems are caused by US imperialism by "literally anything" do you mean "the strongest military power in the history of the world"? --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fishy 02/25/18 12:06:00 AM #17: |
averagejoel posted...
by "literally anything" do you mean "the strongest military power in the history of the world"? oh right i forgot about the us troops roaming the streets of venezuela forcing children to buy mcdonalds with their runescape money --- ~Dr. FishyStick| Welcome Back. http://i.imgur.com/z50xS2H.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 02/25/18 12:07:36 AM #18: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
Is it America's fault that socialist Venezuela now produces less than 2 million barrels of oil per day as confirmed by OPEC to be the lowest oil producing country in the world? I see a lot of loaded questions on here and a lot of disingenuous questions and a lot of irrelevant questions it's not often that I see all three cranked up to 11 in one question. congratulations, this is now the worst question I've seen on this site --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mehmeh1 02/25/18 12:08:16 AM #19: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
CircleOfManias posted...You know how that political compass thing has two axes? Venezuela's problems have fuck all to do with the left/right axis and everything to do with being off the charts authoritarian. tbh, while it wouldn't fix it, getting rid of maduro and getting the democracy back would (or at least should, but it's not a guarantee either way) help, but it'd still be quite a difficult task. Also, just as an interesting fact, venezuelan immigration has been a topic of contention where I live (Peru), not entirely unlike the whole "they're taking our jobs" thing from Trump --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://m.youtube.com/#/user/bigbangpegasusmaster.I play games ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 12:10:26 AM #20: |
averagejoel posted...
PlantLivesMatte posted...Is it America's fault that socialist Venezuela now produces less than 2 million barrels of oil per day as confirmed by OPEC to be the lowest oil producing country in the world? Too difficult for you to answer? k. --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HiddenLurker 02/25/18 12:10:56 AM #21: |
Kazi1212 posted...
averagejoel posted...venezuela is not socialist, and their problems are caused by US imperialism There is no baseline. According to fanatical socialist like average here socialism is perfect. So perfect in fact that it is literally impossible to implement unless he personally is in charge. --- [Insert tired meme here] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 12:11:43 AM #22: |
mehmeh1 posted...
PlantLivesMatte posted...CircleOfManias posted...You know how that political compass thing has two axes? Venezuela's problems have fuck all to do with the left/right axis and everything to do with being off the charts authoritarian. And what would prevent the next leader from becoming another Maduro or even worse than Maduro? --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/25/18 12:12:53 AM #23: |
To be fair, Venezuela wasn't ruined by socialism, but by the same sort of strongman crony socialism that's ruined several African nations. Most notably Zimbabwe.
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theAteam 02/25/18 12:14:20 AM #24: |
I'd start by actually making it socialist by giving the means of production to the workers.
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 12:14:59 AM #25: |
theAteam posted...
I'd start by actually making it socialist by giving the means of production to the workers. Who qualifies as a "worker"? Technically, Bill Gates is a worker. --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/25/18 12:16:51 AM #26: |
If you want examples that work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark Arguably also Canada ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fishy 02/25/18 12:18:56 AM #27: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
Who qualifies as a "worker"? Technically, Bill Gates is a worker. the dumb ones that aren't smart enough to procure the means themselves --- ~Dr. FishyStick| Welcome Back. http://i.imgur.com/z50xS2H.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 02/25/18 12:20:09 AM #28: |
HiddenLurker posted...
Kazi1212 posted...averagejoel posted...venezuela is not socialist, and their problems are caused by US imperialism not sure where you got this idea. it definitely wasn't from someone who knows what they're talking about. @ the original question: can you name some socialist countries that have not been severely hurt by American, British, or French imperialism? --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Annihilated 02/25/18 12:20:26 AM #29: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
theAteam posted...I'd start by actually making it socialist by giving the means of production to the workers. He's probably thinking of shareholders, which exist literally everywhere in the world at all classes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 02/25/18 12:20:41 AM #30: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
theAteam posted...I'd start by actually making it socialist by giving the means of production to the workers. lol no he's not --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/25/18 12:22:37 AM #31: |
averagejoel posted...
PlantLivesMatte posted...theAteam posted...I'd start by actually making it socialist by giving the means of production to the workers. What about Wozniak? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 12:22:53 AM #32: |
Fishy posted...
PlantLivesMatte posted...Who qualifies as a "worker"? Technically, Bill Gates is a worker. They tried that in Venezuela. As a result, it tanked their oil industry and their economy. --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darklit_Minuet 02/25/18 12:24:34 AM #33: |
The problem was that their economy was centered around oil. Something like that isn't sustainable, regardless of what economic system you're in. Oil will slowly become phased out in favor of much cleaner sources of energy.
They should focus on some other kind of product. Say, marijuana. It'll be legal worldwide within the next few years anyhow, they can become the world's leading exporter of it and sustain a socialist paradise that way. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 12:26:43 AM #34: |
Darklit_Minuet posted...
They should focus on some other kind of product. Say, marijuana. Marijuana is already becoming near worthless here in California now that it's legal. --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darklit_Minuet 02/25/18 12:27:09 AM #35: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...They should focus on some other kind of product. Say, marijuana. Nowhere near as worthless as oil ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/25/18 12:30:11 AM #36: |
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Oil will slowly become phased out in favor of much cleaner sources of energy. But, petroleum will never fully die, mostly as a feedstock for plastics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darklit_Minuet 02/25/18 12:30:52 AM #37: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...Oil will slowly become phased out in favor of much cleaner sources of energy. Plastic will be replaced by very shiny metal. The future is shiny ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 12:31:37 AM #38: |
Darklit_Minuet posted...
PlantLivesMatte posted...Darklit_Minuet posted...They should focus on some other kind of product. Say, marijuana. In many ways it's even more worthless than oil. People can grow their own marijuana. They can't grow their own oil. --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darklit_Minuet 02/25/18 12:32:23 AM #39: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
In many ways it's even more worthless than oil. People can grow their own marijuana. They can't grow their own oil. People can grow their own marijuana and then turn it into oil. I have a friend who does that. Haven't tried it but it's apparently really good ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/25/18 12:38:25 AM #40: |
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...Darklit_Minuet posted...Oil will slowly become phased out in favor of much cleaner sources of energy. No. Organically sourced polycarbons, or boron-nitride Graphene or BN tubes are going to be big Coal is going to become huge again. Not to catch it on fire, but because we're going to figure out structural carbon, soon. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkDragon400 02/25/18 12:45:49 AM #41: |
Darklit_Minuet posted...
PlantLivesMatte posted...In many ways it's even more worthless than oil. People can grow their own marijuana. They can't grow their own oil. I think that's a different kind of oil. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JBaLLEN66 02/25/18 12:47:04 AM #42: |
Venezuelas failures arent only from 6 years ago
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Axiom 02/25/18 12:48:22 AM #43: |
Did your main get modded Proudclad
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muchdran 02/25/18 12:51:10 AM #44: |
Everyone gets a basic wage and a Netflix subscription
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 1:56:14 AM #45: |
So from what I gather from the die hard leftists is that socialism can't work unless they wipe out capitalism everywhere.
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Sayoria 02/25/18 1:59:45 AM #46: |
Sounds like the US would have to pull out of the Good Neighbor policy.
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MutantJohn 02/25/18 2:00:58 AM #47: |
Imagining expecting a serious answer to this on a video game message board site
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Questionmarktarius 02/25/18 2:00:59 AM #48: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
So from what I gather from the die hard leftists is that socialism can't work unless they wipe out capitalism everywhere. The actual truth is that socialism cannot exist without a capitalist underpinning, and capitalism cannot exist without a socialist floor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantLivesMatte 02/25/18 2:28:01 AM #49: |
MutantJohn posted...
Imagining expecting a serious answer to this on a video game message board site I'm genuinely curious how the leftists here would fix Venezuela. --- Plant Lives Matter: https://youtu.be/1WUNCwBuT3M ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/25/18 2:31:13 AM #50: |
PlantLivesMatte posted...
MutantJohn posted...Imagining expecting a serious answer to this on a video game message board site As someone who has been permanently ruined by Rand and Orwell, I can't say much. However, Chavez fucked up by handing nationalized entities to his cronies, instead of the actual workers. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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