Current Events > Broward County had been covering up student crimes leading up to school shooting

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Supporting data (from http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FSAC/Documents/Excel/JuvArr/JuvArr-Broward.aspx):



tl;dr:
School district and sheriff's department agree to start covering up and ignoring student crimes in order to improve the school's image and keep federal funding coming in. Juvenile arrests per year gradually decrease from 13,000 in 1998 to 3,600 in 2016. Police who are better at covering up student crimes are chosen to be in-school security. Shooter's warning signs (39 police visits, community alerts) get ignored. Shooting happens.

17 lives taken for the sake of greed.
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someone tell me what i'm supposed to think here

is this a "FUCK THE NRA BAN GUNS" situation or a "LIBERALS BTFO THEY WERE BAD HOMBRES" thing
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I think it's a stretch to tie an effort to reduce in-school arrests to this shooting.
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I feel like the guy is taking 10s of different things and trying to make it one thing.
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Antifar posted...

I think it's a stretch to tie an effort to reduce in-school arrests to this shooting.

The kid had the police respond to his house 39 times over 7 years. In a normal situation, this would at least be easy grounds for a CPS investigation, if not having him involuntarily committed to a mental health facility or just having him arrested.

Antifar posted...

I think it's a stretch to tie an effort to reduce in-school arrests to this shooting.

The shooter was selling knives at school, threatened lives, and held a gun to someones head at home. Had he been arrested and received a conviction on anything, he would have failed the background check that allowed him to get the gun. No one has made it clear how this is NRAs fault and not a failure on law enforcement. That kid gave every warning sign. That piece of shit sheriff on tv wanting people to give up their guns was covering that his department was told in advance the he was going to specifically shoot up that school and had purchased the guns to do so.

But lets use those kids as useful idiots to push anti NRA agenda.
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Sheriff department for sure fucked this up.
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bump

Really disappointing that this isn't being covered anywhere. Not suprising in the slightest, but still disappointing.

If the kid had been arrested just once (like for threating someone with a gun), he wouldn't have been able to legally buy 7 guns and they probably would have found the ones he bought illegally. Imo, it shows that the overarching problem is not a lack of gun control laws, like so many people are making it out to be, but a lack of enforcement of existing laws (due to corruption, no less).

final bump btw

Vertania posted...

School district and sheriff's department agree to start covering up and ignoring student crimes in order to improve the school's image and keep federal funding coming in.

What kind of fucked up system is this? These are the schools that need more funding!
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Darmik posted...

What kind of fucked up system is this? These are the schools that need more funding!

Right? You'd think high-crime schools would be higher on the "in need of funding" list. If they're already succeeding, they wouldn't need the help as much.

So this is why the sheriff has been going around pointing fingers ever since the shooting happened. he knows he has blood on his hands more than anyone.
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a42ozslushie posted...

So this is why the sheriff has been going around pointing fingers ever since the shooting happened. he knows he has blood on his hands more than anyone.

Even without this getting out, his bitch-ass deputy/deputies who hid are bringing enough heat down on him. Apparently 74 Florida lawmakers are calling for his suspension.

Ban Scott Israel.
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Vertania posted...

Really disappointing that this isn't being covered anywhere. Not suprising in the slightest, but still disappointing.

The failures of that law enforcement department dont really help the main goal of chipping away at, and then completely neutering, the right to bear arms. I mean it would be good if more reporters to looked into this scandal more, but Im also not surprised that its not gaining much traction in the mainstream.
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Darmik posted...

Vertania posted...

School district and sheriff's department agree to start covering up and ignoring student crimes in order to improve the school's image and keep federal funding coming in.

What kind of fucked up system is this? These are the schools that need more funding!

That's President Obama's PROMISE initiative in action.
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darkjedilink posted...

Darmik posted...

Vertania posted...

School district and sheriff's department agree to start covering up and ignoring student crimes in order to improve the school's image and keep federal funding coming in.

What kind of fucked up system is this? These are the schools that need more funding!

That's President Obama's PROMISE initiative in action.

Covering up crimes for Obamabucks
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I usually don't care about the source, but none of his citations are compelling smoking gun evidence of the kind of collusion he's talking about. Who is this reporter? The only person I can see telling this story online is from infowars, otherwise

Vertania posted...

The kid had the police respond to his house 39 times over 7 years. In a normal situation, this would at least be easy grounds for a CPS investigation, if not having him involuntarily committed to a mental health facility or just having him arrested.

I mean, this is the evidence that helps undermine the case being made here. Students arrests on-campus are really unrelated to these house calls. Even if there is some sinister bargain between the sheriff and the superintendant, there's no reasonable way to show how it would apply here in this situation

Also, what you said just isn't true. Six yearly calls to the police is a lot, but not all of them resulted in actual physical visits from the police and most of them were not about Cruz but his sibling.
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Balrog0 posted...

I usually don't care about the source, but none of his citations are compelling smoking gun evidence of the kind of collusion he's talking about.

The arrest rates alone should be your "smoking gun" evidence. You don't see a fucking 73% reduction in crime. Like, ever. Especially not in a county that has higher than average violent crime and property crime rates compared to both the rest of Florida and the U.S. That data comes straight from Florida's state database, too.

Vertania posted...

The arrest rates alone should be your "smoking gun" evidence.

why?

Vertania posted...

You don't see a fucking 73% reduction in crime. Like, ever.

between the 90s and today? you absolutely do

https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/crime-trends1990-2016

crime rates have fallen to less than half of what they were in 1990 nationally; more in some places

also arrests and crime actually aren't as closely related as you might assume

Vertania posted...

Especially not in a county that has higher than average violent crime and property crime rates compared to both the rest of Florida and the U.S. That data comes straight from Florida's state database, too.

those are the places where you'd expect crime to fall the most imo

if you look at the appendix to my link it shows crime rates by city; places like L.A. have experienced similar reductions in crime since 1990

granted, the data you're showing is from later and the data I am showing is not specific to juveniles. but the juvenile arrest rate actually spikes roughly around 1998

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05201

and as of 2012 it had almost halved from its 1998 rate nationally
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again, I am not saying there is nothing to these allegations, but I would like some substantive proof outside of a tweetstorm from an anonymous (at least from what I can tell) source
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Balrog0 posted...

again, I am not saying there is nothing to these allegations, but I would like some substantive proof outside of a tweetstorm from an anonymous (at least from what I can tell) source

>2 days later
And TC was never seen again after that retort
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@EverDownward posted...

>2 days later
And TC was never seen again after that retort

Yeah, I've been away from CE for a few days. Good thing you kept the topic alive, though.

Here's a draft of their 2013 agreement:
https://www.scribd.com/document/371916407/Broward-Co-Collaborative-Agreement-on-School-Discipline-MOU

2.01 Responding to Student Misbehavior.

In the event a student misbehaves, the school principal and their designees will be the primary source of intervention and disciplinary consequences. The Code of Student Conduct and Discipline Matrix provides detailed information on consequences and interventions and shall guide the responses to particular types of misbehavior. In addition, school officials should make every effort to connect students to school or community-based support services, such as counseling, mentoring, or extra-curricular activities.

Many types of minor student misbehavior may technically meet the statutory requirements for non-violent misdemeanors, but are best handled outside of the criminal justice system. In any school year, the first instance of student misbehavior that rises to the level of a non-violent misdemeanor and requires consultation with a police officer should not result in arrest nor the filing of a criminal complaint, but instead be handled through the Code of Student Conduct and Discipline Matrix. Behavior that rises to the level of a felony offense under any of the above statutes is not included herein.

All parties involved in school discipline decisions shall consider the surrounding circumstances including the age, history, disability or special education status, and other factors that may have influenced the behavior of the student, the degree of harm caused and the students willingness to repair the harm.

Vertania posted...

@EverDownward posted...

>2 days later
And TC was never seen again after that retort

Yeah, I've been away from CE for a few days. Good thing you kept the topic alive, though.

Here's a draft of their 2013 agreement:
https://www.scribd.com/document/371916407/Broward-Co-Collaborative-Agreement-on-School-Discipline-MOU

2.01 Responding to Student Misbehavior.

In the event a student misbehaves, the school principal and their designees will be the primary source of intervention and disciplinary consequences. The Code of Student Conduct and Discipline Matrix provides detailed information on consequences and interventions and shall guide the responses to particular types of misbehavior. In addition, school officials should make every effort to connect students to school or community-based support services, such as counseling, mentoring, or extra-curricular activities.

Many types of minor student misbehavior may technically meet the statutory requirements for non-violent misdemeanors, but are best handled outside of the criminal justice system. In any school year, the first instance of student misbehavior that rises to the level of a non-violent misdemeanor and requires consultation with a police officer should not result in arrest nor the filing of a criminal complaint, but instead be handled through the Code of Student Conduct and Discipline Matrix. Behavior that rises to the level of a felony offense under any of the above statutes is not included herein.

All parties involved in school discipline decisions shall consider the surrounding circumstances including the age, history, disability or special education status, and other factors that may have influenced the behavior of the student, the degree of harm caused and the students willingness to repair the harm.

Pretty cut and dried.
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Patchwork posted...

Sheriff department for sure fucked this up.

Undoubtedly
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all that shows is that non-violent misdemeanors are handled in school rather than by corrections

are you all under the impression that having a non-violent misdemeanor would cause you to be incapable of buying a gun?
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Balrog0 posted...

all that shows is that non-violent misdemeanors are handled in school rather than by corrections

are you all under the impression that having a non-violent misdemeanor would cause you to be incapable of buying a gun?

You wanted proof that the agreement with police kept police from enforcing the law. Now you're arguing that such proof isn't good enough.

Typical liberal.
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darkjedilink posted...

You wanted proof that the agreement with police kept police from enforcing the law. Now you're arguing that such proof isn't good enough.

Typical liberal.

no, I wanted proof that what he said was happening, was happening

his claims are much more broad than his evidence, as has been the case since the beginning of this thread

I'm arguing that an agreement on the part of the school to handle non-violent misdemeanor crimes is hardly proof that the sheriffs are...
covering up and ignoring student crimes or that Police who are better at covering up student crimes are chosen to be in-school security or that this policy escalated such that even violent felonies were being excused
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Vertania posted...

Antifar posted...

I think it's a stretch to tie an effort to reduce in-school arrests to this shooting.

The kid had the police respond to his house 39 times over 7 years. In a normal situation, this would at least be easy grounds for a CPS investigation, if not having him involuntarily committed to a mental health facility or just having him arrested.

I think you overestimate the power police have over minors. Not to mention how much power parents have. Though I'm guessing it would have been possible for the parents to get police intervention at some point with serious charges.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Vertania posted...

Antifar posted...

I think it's a stretch to tie an effort to reduce in-school arrests to this shooting.

The kid had the police respond to his house 39 times over 7 years. In a normal situation, this would at least be easy grounds for a CPS investigation, if not having him involuntarily committed to a mental health facility or just having him arrested.

I think you overestimate the power police have over minors. Not to mention how much power parents have. Though I'm guessing it would have been possible for the parents to get police intervention at some point with serious charges.

again, though, most of the calls were not about Cruz
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