Current Events > Florida school shooting: Sheriff got 18 calls about Cruz violence, threats, gun

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/23/florida-school-shooting-sheriff-got-18-calls-cruzs-violence-threats-guns/366165002/

So the FBI dropped the ball, local law enforcement dropped the ball, and the armed guard on hand dropped the ball.

But let's blame and take away the guns, right guys?
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"Guns are only dangerous if human make errors which they call do. Therefore it's cool to give violent lunatics weapons"

Mean while no other nation on earth had this problem
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This guy was obviously nuts but who cares. LETS BAN GUNZ!
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no, guns MUST be blamed
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voldothegr8 posted...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/23/florida-school-shooting-sheriff-got-18-calls-cruzs-violence-threats-guns/366165002/

So the FBI dropped the ball, local law enforcement dropped the ball, and the armed guard on hand dropped the ball.

But let's blame and take away the guns, right guys?

is it allowed to acknowledge that there were various things that could have helped this situation? if guns were banned in the first place tho it wouldnt matter that fbi and cops didnt act

UnfairRepresent posted...

"Guns are only dangerous if human make errors which they call do. Therefore it's cool to give violent lunatics weapons"

Mean while no other nation on earth had this problem

Other nations also experience an overreaching government and high taxes.
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This thing is also an issue so you arent allowed to talk about any other factors that might have also been issues

Lmao shut up tc.
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scorpion41 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

"Guns are only dangerous if human make errors which they call do. Therefore it's cool to give violent lunatics weapons"

Mean while no other nation on earth had this problem

Other nations also experience an overreaching government and high taxes.

Not to mention bombings and vehicle attacks, not to mention the fact that it's straight false no other nations have this problem.
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Dis actually hurts da gun nuts, da ppl who literally have guns didn't do shit. Take away cruzs guns and he wouldn't have killed dat many or maybe none at all if he uses a knife or whatever
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ssj3vegeta2 posted...

Dis actually hurts da gun nuts, da ppl who literally have guns didn't do shit. Take away cruzs guns and he wouldn't have killed dat many or maybe none at all if he uses a knife or whatever

No this hurts the control crowds narrative about more restrictions...the government doesnt do its job. Cruz should have been flagged.
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GregShmedley posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

This thing is also an issue so you arent allowed to talk about any other factors that might have also been issues

Lmao shut up tc.

No one said that...

He literally said not to talk about guns because this also happened.
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Everybody's been threatened by somebody. They can't arrest them all.
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only one thing can be a problem
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Very fun these last few days to watch the right turn on law enforcement
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GregShmedley posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

GregShmedley posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

This thing is also an issue so you arent allowed to talk about any other factors that might have also been issues

Lmao shut up tc.

No one said that...

He literally said not to talk about guns because this also happened.

...no he didn't...

So what was his point then? Why did he criticize talking about guns?
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He sarcastically said lets blame guns! Imlyig he feels that shouldnt be in the discussion at all just because the FBI May have also screwed up. I think that mentality is absurd. There are many potential factors. They can all be discussed at the same time.
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Law enforcement is a joke until they start holding juveniles accountable.

FrenchCrunch posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/23/florida-school-shooting-sheriff-got-18-calls-cruzs-violence-threats-guns/366165002/

So the FBI dropped the ball, local law enforcement dropped the ball, and the armed guard on hand dropped the ball.

But let's blame and take away the guns, right guys?

is it allowed to acknowledge that there were various things that could have helped this situation? if guns were banned in the first place tho it wouldnt matter that fbi and cops didnt act

The argument always has been that we don't need firearms for self defense because we can count on law enforcement.

Now it's we shouldn't have firearms for self defense specifically because we can't count on law enforcement.
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This line of thought would be one thing if this were the only mass shooting to happen, but it's not. Law enforcement fucked up here, but were there such obvious clues in Vegas or Charleston or Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech or San Bernardino or Aurora or that one in Oregon or...

Maybe we should make it so law enforcement's errors, which will happen, are less deadly.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

He sarcastically said lets blame guns! Imlyig he feels that shouldnt be in the discussion at all just because the FBI May have also screwed up. I think that mentality is absurd. There are many potential factors. They can all be discussed at the same time.

lol 'may have screwed up.'
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Some would say if they acted before he actually did anything that would be an impediment on his first amendment rights. Hard to imagine feeling that way after the fact, but there is a case being presented to the supreme court over a Facebook post that involved some kid posting a picture about this shooting and saying "my school is next" essentially.
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Antifar posted...

This line of thought would be one thing if this were the only mass shooting to happen, but it's not. Law enforcement fucked up here, but were there such obvious clues in Vegas or Charleston or Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech or San Bernardino or that one in Oregon or...

You mean, the ones where someone stole a firearm to kill people?
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How did local law enforcement drop the ball? What law did he break that would have prevented him from keeping his constitutionally protected right to bear arms?
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Some would say if they acted before he actually did anything that would be an impediment on his first amendment rights. Hard to imagine feeling that way after the fact, but there is a case being presented to the supreme court over a Facebook post that involved some kid posting a picture about this shooting and saying "my school is next" essentially.

Terroristic threats aren't protected by the First Amendment.
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No way to prevent this says only nation where this regularly happens
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darkjedilink posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Some would say if they acted before he actually did anything that would be an impediment on his first amendment rights. Hard to imagine feeling that way after the fact, but there is a case being presented to the supreme court over a Facebook post that involved some kid posting a picture about this shooting and saying "my school is next" essentially.

Terroristic threats aren't protected by the First Amendment.

True. But most mass shootings haven't been defined as an act of terror until recently. Even the Dylann Roof one wasn't defined as an act of terror nor was he considered a terrorist.
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darkjedilink posted...

You mean, the ones where someone stole a firearm to kill people?

Stephen Paddock legally purchased his guns. Dylan Roof bought his gun. The Virginia Tech shooter bought his guns. The guns used in San Bernardino were legally purchased (albeit not by the killers themselves). The Oregon shooter bought his guns. The Aurora shooter bought his guns.
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ExtremeLuchador posted...

Everybody's been threatened by somebody. They can't arrest them all.

Stupid post. This wasn't a personal threat, but more like a social or public threat which they tend to take far more serious.

I mean, just the dude's physical appearance is a red flag in itself.
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darkjedilink posted...

You mean, the ones where someone stole a firearm to kill people?

The guy in Vegas didn't steal guns. Which ones are you talking about?
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Doesnt every story end up like this?

You cant be suspicious about someone because its 2018 and thats not allowed, but then when you dont do anything its bad as well.

This is what you all asked for so yall can only blame yourselves.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Stupid post. This wasn't a personal threat, but more like a social or public threat which they tend to take far more serious.

I mean, just the dude's physical appearance is a red flag in itself.

Where did you see that he made a threat? All I see is people reporting him because they were scared he would shoot up the school due to him posting pictures of himself with weapons on instagram. Did he also include a threatening message?
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If only you could see the forest past all those trees
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This is why nothing is actually going to happen. The NRA has, through 50 years of propaganda, convinced people that any slightest discussion on changing certain laws as it pertains to firearms automatically means "THEY ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS AND WE CAN'T GIVE AN INCH BECAUSE THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE!". We have a Republican president who the NRA endorsed faster than ANY other one in history and a Republican Congress loaded with people with pockets lined by the NRA and similar lobbies, yet people are still trying to paint this narrative that you need to be worried about the big bad government coming to take your guns immediately.

Republicans and the NRA aren't actually interested in compromising on this issue at all and they never will be. We aren't going to see ages raised for purchasing semi autos, we aren't going to see bump stocks banned, we aren't going to see magazine size restrictions, we won't see shit aside basically whatever the NRA wants, "compromise" be damned
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Balrog0 posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Stupid post. This wasn't a personal threat, but more like a social or public threat which they tend to take far more serious.

I mean, just the dude's physical appearance is a red flag in itself.

Where did you see that he made a threat? All I see is people reporting him because they were scared he would shoot up the school due to him posting pictures of himself with weapons on instagram. Did he also include a threatening message?

I mean, user your brain here. If dozens of people are calling informing about what could be considered a potential threat to security, and it's all about the same guy, they should at least look into it, don't you think? This all took place within a span of a few years, so it's not like it's a prank where everyone decided to call during the same time period.

The least they could've done is intervened and make sure he was functioning at an appropriate mental capacity and possibly shrug it off if he wasn't deemed a threat at all, but still monitor his actions.

Also, I guess you were unaware of his YouTube post.

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I agree they should look into it. But I understand the concern. Just look at 4chan alone. There are tons of idiots who think trolling like that is all jokes and games.
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Haha it wasn't guns! I knew it!

Now let's go get pizza. What were we talking about?
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GregShmedley posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

He sarcastically said lets blame guns! Imlyig he feels that shouldnt be in the discussion at all just because the FBI May have also screwed up. I think that mentality is absurd. There are many potential factors. They can all be discussed at the same time.

Or maybe he's referring to number of people on one side of this debate that are solely blaming guns? You know, the same ones calling for bans yet scoff at the idea of it being a mental health issue or a failure of the FBI and local law enforcement?

Or he's actually disagreeing with a ban (hence "take away the guns") in general, which I agree with.

Hell, I'm open for discussing regulation but a ban is out of the question.

This, TheVipaGTS twisting people's words as usual.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"Guns are only dangerous if human make errors which they call do. Therefore it's cool to give violent lunatics weapons"

Mean while no other nation on earth had this problem

Maybe school mass shootings but there are quite a few countries with worse gun violence.
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GregShmedley posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Republicans and the NRA aren't actually interested in compromising on this issue at all and they never will be. We aren't going to see ages raised for purchasing semi autos, we aren't going to see bump stocks banned, we aren't going to see magazine size restrictions, we won't see shit aside basically whatever the NRA wants, "compromise" be damned

Why do bump stocks need to be banned? Why do magazines need a limit? Why are your demands the ones that need to be met?

b/c they serve no fucking purposes. you dont need them to hunt or defend your family or home.

they are meant to kill alot of things really fast; thats it.
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GregShmedley posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Republicans and the NRA aren't actually interested in compromising on this issue at all and they never will be. We aren't going to see ages raised for purchasing semi autos, we aren't going to see bump stocks banned, we aren't going to see magazine size restrictions, we won't see shit aside basically whatever the NRA wants, "compromise" be damned

Why do bump stocks need to be banned? Why do magazines need a limit? Why are your demands the ones that need to be met?

Those aren't even my demands, they are discussion points and topics we won't actually see happen because the NRA and Republicans funded by them aren't actually interested in compromise or giving anything up. Not to mention Trump has never once shown he wants to ever compromise on anything, and his whole idea of compromising with the other side is "Demand everything and when people disagree blame them for being obstructionists".

Nothing will ever change because the NRA has convinced people that even discussion about gun issues need to be shut down and are dangerous and mean they are coming for your guns. It's fucking pathetic
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Anteaterking posted...

darkjedilink posted...

You mean, the ones where someone stole a firearm to kill people?

The guy in Vegas didn't steal guns. Which ones are you talking about?

Sandy Hook, San Bernardino, for starters. Pulse and two other shooters weren't supposed to pass NICS, but - again - the government fucked up.
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