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Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 9:53:38 PM #1:	It's not the biggest lobbying organization by a wide margin; all its funding comes from private donations and it only spent $5 million on lobbying last year, compared to, say, the Podesta Group which spent $18 million last year https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=l&showYear=2017 So where did this trope come from that the NRA is some big evil organization that controls Congress? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896595485] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>It's not the biggest lobbying organization by a wide margin; all its funding comes from private donations and it only spent $5 million on lobbying last year, compared to, say, the Podesta Group which spent $18 million last year https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=l&showYear=2017 So where did this trope come from that the NRA is some big evil organization that controls Congress?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeonesAlt 02/22/18 9:55:33 PM #2:	You seem upset, have a funny gif --- But Whose? <cite>SomeonesAlt posted [p:896595583] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>You seem upset, have a funny gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 02/22/18 9:56:40 PM #3:	SomeonesAlt posted... You seem upset, have a funny gif Ok is that from something? --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:896595630] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeonesAlt posted...</cite> <quote>You seem upset, have a funny gif </quote> Ok is that from something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 02/22/18 9:56:50 PM #4:	Cuz guns are WEAPONS OF WAR That's the newest propaganda term the left is using now --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:896595635] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>Cuz guns are WEAPONS OF WAR That's the newest propaganda term the left is using now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PinkiePie462 02/22/18 9:57:26 PM #5:	I don't have a problem with them. <cite>PinkiePie462 posted [p:896595665] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>I don't have a problem with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/22/18 10:00:18 PM #6:	Funbazooka posted... Cuz guns are WEAPONS OF WAR That's the newest propaganda term the left is using now ... I'm interested in your response to the claim that guns are weapons of war. What is the alternative? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:896595845] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz guns are WEAPONS OF WAR That's the newest propaganda term the left is using now</quote> ... I'm interested in your response to the claim that guns are weapons of war. What is the alternative?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 10:01:29 PM #7:	All lobbies are wrong --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896595910] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>All lobbies are wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:03:11 PM #8:	hockeybub89 posted... All lobbies are wrong Ok but why pick on the NRA specifically when even Hillary Clinton's sidekick has more sway in Congress than the NRA does --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896596024] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>All lobbies are wrong</quote> Ok but why pick on the NRA specifically when even Hillary Clinton's sidekick has more sway in Congress than the NRA does</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 02/22/18 10:05:33 PM #9:	Ok I found it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqrohqXpkOg --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:896596147] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>Ok I found it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqrohqXpkOg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:12:40 PM #10:	SomeonesAlt posted... You seem upset, have a funny gif That gif isn't that funny. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896596574] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeonesAlt posted...</cite> <quote>You seem upset, have a funny gif </quote> That gif isn't that funny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/22/18 10:15:32 PM #11:	Anyway, the NRA is not a big evil organization that controls Congress. They're an advocacy group that started as focused on safety, responsibility, and sensible gun control laws. They've even put forth gun control policy in the past. Then the Revolt of Cincinnati happened in the 70s and Harlon Carter took a leadership role, starting the NRA on its path to being the mouthpiece for the gun business. Instead of responsible gun ownership, the main narrative being pushed is that every God-fearing American is constantly facing threats at every turn and the only recourse is to buy a gun, and perhaps more guns if it's not too much trouble. https://tinyurl.com/yc6sklxw It's become almost cartoonish at this point, because all during the Obama administration they pushed the fear that government was going to take their guns. When the Democrats lost complete control of the government, you'd think that would settle them down, but instead, in February of 2017, not even a month after Trump took office: https://www.salon.com/2017/02/28/the-nras-new-gun-sales-pitch-america-is-a-war-zone-and-the-violent-left-is-coming-for-you/ For the NRA leadership, it doesn't matter what the fight is for. All that matters is that guns are sold and continue to be sold. They've taken a marketing campaign and wrapped it in the pretty bow of personal freedoms. They've suckered multiple generations into not only buying their product, but being willing to fight to the death for it. They've walked up to the fearful American citizen, dangled a device used for nothing but killing in front of their eyes, looked them straight in the eye, and told them "you need this". I don't want the NRA gone. I want the gun industry out of the NRA leadership. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:896596744] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>Anyway, the NRA is not a big evil organization that controls Congress. They're an advocacy group that started as focused on safety, responsibility, and sensible gun control laws. They've even put forth gun control policy in the past. Then the Revolt of Cincinnati happened in the 70s and Harlon Carter took a leadership role, starting the NRA on its path to being the mouthpiece for the gun business. Instead of responsible gun ownership, the main narrative being pushed is that every God-fearing American is constantly facing threats at every turn and the only recourse is to buy a gun, and perhaps more guns if it's not too much trouble. https://tinyurl.com/yc6sklxw It's become almost cartoonish at this point, because all during the Obama administration they pushed the fear that government was going to take their guns. When the Democrats lost complete control of the government, you'd think that would settle them down, but instead, in February of 2017, not even a month after Trump took office: https://www.salon.com/2017/02/28/the-nras-new-gun-sales-pitch-america-is-a-war-zone-and-the-violent-left-is-coming-for-you/ For the NRA leadership, it doesn't matter what the fight is for. All that matters is that guns are sold and continue to be sold. They've taken a marketing campaign and wrapped it in the pretty bow of personal freedoms. They've suckered multiple generations into not only buying their product, but being willing to fight to the death for it. They've walked up to the fearful American citizen, dangled a device used for nothing but killing in front of their eyes, looked them straight in the eye, and told them "you need this". I don't want the NRA gone. I want the gun industry out of the NRA leadership.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 02/22/18 10:21:30 PM #12:	CyricZ posted... Anyway, the NRA is not a big evil organization that controls Congress. They're an advocacy group that started as focused on safety, responsibility, and sensible gun control laws. They've even put forth gun control policy in the past. Then the Revolt of Cincinnati happened in the 70s and Harlon Carter took a leadership role, starting the NRA on its path to being the mouthpiece for the gun business. Instead of responsible gun ownership, the main narrative being pushed is that every God-fearing American is constantly facing threats at every turn and the only recourse is to buy a gun, and perhaps more guns if it's not too much trouble. https://tinyurl.com/yc6sklxw It's become almost cartoonish at this point, because all during the Obama administration they pushed the fear that government was going to take their guns. When the Democrats lost complete control of the government, you'd think that would settle them down, but instead, in February of 2017, not even a month after Trump took office: https://www.salon.com/2017/02/28/the-nras-new-gun-sales-pitch-america-is-a-war-zone-and-the-violent-left-is-coming-for-you/ For the NRA leadership, it doesn't matter what the fight is for. All that matters is that guns are sold and continue to be sold. They've taken a marketing campaign and wrapped it in the pretty bow of personal freedoms. They've suckered multiple generations into not only buying their product, but being willing to fight to the death for it. They've walked up to the fearful American citizen, dangled a device used for nothing but killing in front of their eyes, looked them straight in the eye, and told them "you need this". I don't want the NRA gone. I want the gun industry out of the NRA leadership. Good post. But at this point the NRA is tainted beyond repair. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:896597116] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, the NRA is not a big evil organization that controls Congress. They're an advocacy group that started as focused on safety, responsibility, and sensible gun control laws. They've even put forth gun control policy in the past. Then the Revolt of Cincinnati happened in the 70s and Harlon Carter took a leadership role, starting the NRA on its path to being the mouthpiece for the gun business. Instead of responsible gun ownership, the main narrative being pushed is that every God-fearing American is constantly facing threats at every turn and the only recourse is to buy a gun, and perhaps more guns if it's not too much trouble. https://tinyurl.com/yc6sklxw It's become almost cartoonish at this point, because all during the Obama administration they pushed the fear that government was going to take their guns. When the Democrats lost complete control of the government, you'd think that would settle them down, but instead, in February of 2017, not even a month after Trump took office: https://www.salon.com/2017/02/28/the-nras-new-gun-sales-pitch-america-is-a-war-zone-and-the-violent-left-is-coming-for-you/ For the NRA leadership, it doesn't matter what the fight is for. All that matters is that guns are sold and continue to be sold. They've taken a marketing campaign and wrapped it in the pretty bow of personal freedoms. They've suckered multiple generations into not only buying their product, but being willing to fight to the death for it. They've walked up to the fearful American citizen, dangled a device used for nothing but killing in front of their eyes, looked them straight in the eye, and told them "you need this". I don't want the NRA gone. I want the gun industry out of the NRA leadership.</quote> Good post. But at this point the NRA is tainted beyond repair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:26:08 PM #13:	CyricZ posted... Anyway, the NRA is not a big evil organization that controls Congress. They're an advocacy group that started as focused on safety, responsibility, and sensible gun control laws. They've even put forth gun control policy in the past. Then the Revolt of Cincinnati happened in the 70s and Harlon Carter took a leadership role, starting the NRA on its path to being the mouthpiece for the gun business. Instead of responsible gun ownership, the main narrative being pushed is that every God-fearing American is constantly facing threats at every turn and the only recourse is to buy a gun, and perhaps more guns if it's not too much trouble. https://tinyurl.com/yc6sklxw It's become almost cartoonish at this point, because all during the Obama administration they pushed the fear that government was going to take their guns. When the Democrats lost complete control of the government, you'd think that would settle them down, but instead, in February of 2017, not even a month after Trump took office: https://www.salon.com/2017/02/28/the-nras-new-gun-sales-pitch-america-is-a-war-zone-and-the-violent-left-is-coming-for-you/ For the NRA leadership, it doesn't matter what the fight is for. All that matters is that guns are sold and continue to be sold. They've taken a marketing campaign and wrapped it in the pretty bow of personal freedoms. They've suckered multiple generations into not only buying their product, but being willing to fight to the death for it. They've walked up to the fearful American citizen, dangled a device used for nothing but killing in front of their eyes, looked them straight in the eye, and told them "you need this". I don't want the NRA gone. I want the gun industry out of the NRA leadership. 1) I wouln't call WaPo or Salon terribly unbiased when it comes to the NRA. The NRA still advocates some gun control policies, such as background checks, because those actually have proven to reduce gun crime. Those articles paint an entirely false narrative of what the NRA's positions are, and they neglect to mention how the NRA is not remotely responsible for recent gun control initiatives failing https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/nra-money-isnt-why-gun-control-efforts-are-failing-commentary.html 2) The NRA did not invent the idea that Obama would push for gun bans; Obama publicly and explicitly advocated for gun bans like the one Australia implemented: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-8i92ClSzc&feature=youtu.be 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896597404] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, the NRA is not a big evil organization that controls Congress. They're an advocacy group that started as focused on safety, responsibility, and sensible gun control laws. They've even put forth gun control policy in the past. Then the Revolt of Cincinnati happened in the 70s and Harlon Carter took a leadership role, starting the NRA on its path to being the mouthpiece for the gun business. Instead of responsible gun ownership, the main narrative being pushed is that every God-fearing American is constantly facing threats at every turn and the only recourse is to buy a gun, and perhaps more guns if it's not too much trouble. https://tinyurl.com/yc6sklxw It's become almost cartoonish at this point, because all during the Obama administration they pushed the fear that government was going to take their guns. When the Democrats lost complete control of the government, you'd think that would settle them down, but instead, in February of 2017, not even a month after Trump took office: https://www.salon.com/2017/02/28/the-nras-new-gun-sales-pitch-america-is-a-war-zone-and-the-violent-left-is-coming-for-you/ For the NRA leadership, it doesn't matter what the fight is for. All that matters is that guns are sold and continue to be sold. They've taken a marketing campaign and wrapped it in the pretty bow of personal freedoms. They've suckered multiple generations into not only buying their product, but being willing to fight to the death for it. They've walked up to the fearful American citizen, dangled a device used for nothing but killing in front of their eyes, looked them straight in the eye, and told them "you need this". I don't want the NRA gone. I want the gun industry out of the NRA leadership.</quote> 1) I wouln't call WaPo or Salon terribly unbiased when it comes to the NRA. The NRA still advocates some gun control policies, such as background checks, because those actually have proven to reduce gun crime. Those articles paint an entirely false narrative of what the NRA's positions are, and they neglect to mention how the NRA is not remotely responsible for recent gun control initiatives failing https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/nra-money-isnt-why-gun-control-efforts-are-failing-commentary.html 2) The NRA did not invent the idea that Obama would push for gun bans; Obama publicly and explicitly advocated for gun bans like the one Australia implemented: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-8i92ClSzc&feature=youtu.be 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 10:28:04 PM #14:	Sephiroth1288 posted... 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that. What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner? Maybe we should try to fix that and not just either say "World scary. Need gun" or "Guns aren't the problem. This other thing is. Mission accomplished" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896597508] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that.</quote> What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner? Maybe we should try to fix that and not just either say "World scary. Need gun" or "Guns aren't the problem. This other thing is. Mission accomplished"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 02/22/18 10:28:16 PM #15:	Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:896597523] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:29:55 PM #16:	hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that. What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner? It's not. That doesn't mean it's ok to take away people's right to self-preservation. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896597621] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that.</quote> What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner?</quote> It's not. That doesn't mean it's ok to take away people's right to self-preservation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/22/18 10:29:56 PM #17:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. And yet significantly more men seem to own guns? Sephiroth1288 posted... Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. Is this official store policy in America? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896597622] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. </quote> And yet significantly more men seem to own guns? <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers.</quote> Is this official store policy in America?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:30:54 PM #18:	ChainedRedone posted... Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker. That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896597692] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker.</quote> That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 10:31:15 PM #19:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that. What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner? It's not. That doesn't mean it's ok to take away people's right to self-preservation. Says someone that supports a party that doesn't even see access to healthcare as a right. And you said women need guns. That implies there is something they need them for. Like choosing to not do so is against their best interests. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896597716] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that.</quote> What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner?</quote> It's not. That doesn't mean it's ok to take away people's right to self-preservation.</quote> Says someone that supports a party that doesn't even see access to healthcare as a right. And you said women need guns. That implies there is something they need them for. Like choosing to not do so is against their best interests.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:32:08 PM #20:	Darmik posted... And yet significantly more men seem to own guns? This is a non-sequitur response to my post. Try again. Darmik posted... Is this official store policy in America? I don't think defending your life is required to be written down in store policy... --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896597777] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>And yet significantly more men seem to own guns?</quote> This is a non-sequitur response to my post. Try again. <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Is this official store policy in America?</quote> I don't think defending your life is required to be written down in store policy...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 02/22/18 10:32:45 PM #21:	Sephiroth1288 posted... ChainedRedone posted... Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker. That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't. Source? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:896597812] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker.</quote> That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't.</quote> Source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:33:27 PM #22:	hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that. What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner? It's not. That doesn't mean it's ok to take away people's right to self-preservation. Says someone that supports a party that doesn't even see access to healthcare as a right The right to bear arms doesn't mean that the government must pay for your gun. Why does the "right to healthcare" mean that the government must pay your medical bills? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896597852] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that.</quote> What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner?</quote> It's not. That doesn't mean it's ok to take away people's right to self-preservation.</quote> Says someone that supports a party that doesn't even see access to healthcare as a right</quote> The right to bear arms doesn't mean that the government must pay for your gun. Why does the "right to healthcare" mean that the government must pay your medical bills?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:34:11 PM #23:	ChainedRedone posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... ChainedRedone posted... Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker. That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't. Source? You're the one who made the claim of what the bill did; you show the source. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896597906] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker.</quote> That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't.</quote> Source?</quote> You're the one who made the claim of what the bill did; you show the source.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/22/18 10:35:23 PM #24:	Sephiroth1288 posted... This is a non-sequitur response to my post. Try again. You said women 'need' guns though? Sephiroth1288 posted... I don't think defending your life is required to be written down in store policy... Do any companies encourage their employees to shoot robbers? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896597962] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>This is a non-sequitur response to my post. Try again.</quote> You said women 'need' guns though? <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think defending your life is required to be written down in store policy...</quote> Do any companies encourage their employees to shoot robbers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/22/18 10:37:43 PM #25:	They use hateful and divisive propaganda bullshit to sell their message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAHgGsrdXyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fVmqkzPWsY --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:896598085] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>They use hateful and divisive propaganda bullshit to sell their message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAHgGsrdXyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fVmqkzPWsY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:38:23 PM #26:	Darmik posted... You said women 'need' guns though? Yep. Darmik posted... Do any companies encourage their employees to shoot robbers? Yes Almost every convenience store has a gun behind the counter --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896598118] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>You said women 'need' guns though?</quote> Yep. <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do any companies encourage their employees to shoot robbers?</quote> Yes Almost every convenience store has a gun behind the counter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 02/22/18 10:39:10 PM #27:	Sephiroth1288 posted... ChainedRedone posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... ChainedRedone posted... Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker. That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't. Source? You're the one who made the claim of what the bill did; you show the source. I made the claim that it required background checks on private sales, which you don't dispute. Now you're making a claim that it required a registry. Which I've never heard before. What's your source for this claim? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:896598164] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker.</quote> That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't.</quote> Source?</quote> You're the one who made the claim of what the bill did; you show the source.</quote> I made the claim that it required background checks on private sales, which you don't dispute. Now you're making a claim that it required a registry. Which I've never heard before. What's your source for this claim?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/22/18 10:40:23 PM #28:	Attack my sources if you wish, but at least provide a counter-source to the points I brought up. Your topic title says "What's wrong with the NRA" and I told you. Not my fault that my argument didn't follow your oh so carefully crafted narrative in this topic. If you want to back up your first post's claim, I won't challenge that. Quite frankly, I don't think the NRA has to lobby Congress these days. They've got all the paying and voting lobbyists they'll ever need in the gun owners who support the leadership blindly. Anyway, I used my first source for historical purposes. If you wish to provide a better perspective of the Revolt of Cincinnati and the NRA main policy switch, be my guest. And I only used my second source to directly quote noted "ambulant pile of guns wearing a suit" Mr. Lapierre. Those are words he said, recorded for all time. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:896598233] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>Attack my sources if you wish, but at least provide a counter-source to the points I brought up. Your topic title says "What's wrong with the NRA" and I told you. Not my fault that my argument didn't follow your oh so carefully crafted narrative in this topic. If you want to back up your first post's claim, I won't challenge that. Quite frankly, I don't think the NRA has to lobby Congress these days. They've got all the paying and voting lobbyists they'll ever need in the gun owners who support the leadership blindly. Anyway, I used my first source for historical purposes. If you wish to provide a better perspective of the Revolt of Cincinnati and the NRA main policy switch, be my guest. And I only used my second source to directly quote noted "ambulant pile of guns wearing a suit" Mr. Lapierre. Those are words he said, recorded for all time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/22/18 10:41:34 PM #29:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Yep. I'd sure be interested to see how the results would be if women were polled about this. Sephiroth1288 posted... Almost every convenience store has a gun behind the counter Doesn't seem to be a recommended response to a robbery though http://concealednation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/10751867_10205158221139877_1435304113_n.jpg --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896598297] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Yep.</quote> I'd sure be interested to see how the results would be if women were polled about this. <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Almost every convenience store has a gun behind the counter</quote> Doesn't seem to be a recommended response to a robbery though http://concealednation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/10751867_10205158221139877_1435304113_n.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 10:43:20 PM #30:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that. What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner? It's not. That doesn't mean it's ok to take away people's right to self-preservation. Says someone that supports a party that doesn't even see access to healthcare as a right The right to bear arms doesn't mean that the government must pay for your gun. Why does the "right to healthcare" mean that the government must pay your medical bills? I only said access. The Republicans don't even give a damn about that. But I guess the GOP doesn't care since no amendment in the Bill of Rights talks about healthcare. Healthcare isn't an option. It is a necessity and an inevitability. It's really not something to leave up to chance and the whims of the free market. You might be permanently disabled or dead while you wait. Maybe the best of the best treatment can be a luxury, but not the concept. To be fair, both private organizations and the government are failing us on healthcare. No one should be priced out of healthcare. Healthy people are happy people are a successful society. America is not at its full potential. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896598389] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> 3) Yes, some people need guns. Women need guns because most violent criminals are bigger and stronger than they are. Store owners need guns to protect their livelihoods from armed robbers. YOU agree that some people need guns; specifically the police. I don't care if you personally want the means to effectively defend yourself, but don't attack a relatively small organization that is dedicated to protecting the rights of other people to have that.</quote> What is America such a fucked up, uncivilized place that there is death around every corner?</quote> It's not. That doesn't mean it's ok to take away people's right to self-preservation.</quote> Says someone that supports a party that doesn't even see access to healthcare as a right</quote> The right to bear arms doesn't mean that the government must pay for your gun. Why does the "right to healthcare" mean that the government must pay your medical bills?</quote> I only said access. The Republicans don't even give a damn about that. But I guess the GOP doesn't care since no amendment in the Bill of Rights talks about healthcare. Healthcare isn't an option. It is a necessity and an inevitability. It's really not something to leave up to chance and the whims of the free market. You might be permanently disabled or dead while you wait. Maybe the best of the best treatment can be a luxury, but not the concept. To be fair, both private organizations and the government are failing us on healthcare. No one should be priced out of healthcare. Healthy people are happy people are a successful society. America is not at its full potential.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:46:31 PM #31:	ChainedRedone posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... ChainedRedone posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... ChainedRedone posted... Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker. That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't. Source? You're the one who made the claim of what the bill did; you show the source. I made the claim that it required background checks on private sales, which you don't dispute. Now you're making a claim that it required a registry. Which I've never heard before. What's your source for this claim? I'm not going to do your legwork for you; gun control policies are never about just one detail. It was either that they included a registry or wanted to ban the sale of any gun that could hold more than 10 rounds. Both those things are shit ideas. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896598575] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah NRA advocates for background checks. Must be why the opposed the universal background check bill after Sandy Hook. What a joker.</quote> That bill, IIRC, included a public registry. Which is a horrible idea because it's completely unenforceable and would have let people look up which houses had guns and which houses didn't.</quote> Source?</quote> You're the one who made the claim of what the bill did; you show the source.</quote> I made the claim that it required background checks on private sales, which you don't dispute. Now you're making a claim that it required a registry. Which I've never heard before. What's your source for this claim?</quote> I'm not going to do your legwork for you; gun control policies are never about just one detail. It was either that they included a registry or wanted to ban the sale of any gun that could hold more than 10 rounds. Both those things are shit ideas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 10:46:48 PM #32:	Darmik posted... Do any companies encourage their employees to shoot robbers? You're typically encouraged to run away and only fight if cornered. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896598586] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do any companies encourage their employees to shoot robbers? </quote> You're typically encouraged to run away and only fight if cornered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 02/22/18 10:52:09 PM #33:	This topic is just more proof that Mal will argue about anything if it doesn't fit his narrative even when he has admitted in the past he doesn't know anything about the topic he's arguing about. --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:896598858] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>This topic is just more proof that Mal will argue about anything if it doesn't fit his narrative even when he has admitted in the past he doesn't know anything about the topic he's arguing about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 10:53:38 PM #34:	CyricZ posted... Attack my sources if you wish, but at least provide a counter-source to the points I brought up. I did. Gave ya two. And I also explained why your sources were full of it. CyricZ posted... Your topic title says "What's wrong with the NRA" and I told you. That they're advocating on behalf of gun manufacturers in addition to the rights of citizens, yeah. I don't see why that's necessarily a problem since they in fact are not spreading lies about intentions of politicians to ban guns in order to drive up sales. Darmik posted... I'd sure be interested to see how the results would be if women were polled about this. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure a woman with a gun is a lot more difficult to assault than a woman with no way to defend herself. Darmik posted... Doesn't seem to be a recommended response to a robbery though Yeah bro, you tell the convenience store clerk that shooting back at armed thugs who are about to kill him is a bad idea. Also your jpg is broken. hockeybub89 posted... I only said access. Everyone has access to healthcare. You just have to pay for it. Just like you have to pay for a gun. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896598950] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Attack my sources if you wish, but at least provide a counter-source to the points I brought up.</quote> I did. Gave ya two. And I also explained why your sources were full of it. <cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Your topic title says "What's wrong with the NRA" and I told you.</quote> That they're advocating on behalf of gun manufacturers in addition to the rights of citizens, yeah. I don't see why that's necessarily a problem since they in fact are not spreading lies about intentions of politicians to ban guns in order to drive up sales. <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>I'd sure be interested to see how the results would be if women were polled about this.</quote> Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure a woman with a gun is a lot more difficult to assault than a woman with no way to defend herself. <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Doesn't seem to be a recommended response to a robbery though</quote> Yeah bro, you tell the convenience store clerk that shooting back at armed thugs who are about to kill him is a bad idea. Also your jpg is broken. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I only said access. </quote> Everyone has access to healthcare. You just have to pay for it. Just like you have to pay for a gun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/22/18 10:55:52 PM #35:	hockeybub89 posted... Darmik posted... Do any companies encourage their employees to shoot robbers? You're typically encouraged to run away and only fight if cornered. I think you're usually encouraged to just obey commands and just give them what they want so they'll leave. If they can escape or hide I'm sure they're told to do that too. Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896599085] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Do any companies encourage their employees to shoot robbers? </quote> You're typically encouraged to run away and only fight if cornered.</quote> I think you're usually encouraged to just obey commands and just give them what they want so they'll leave. If they can escape or hide I'm sure they're told to do that too. Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:00:18 PM #36:	Darmik posted... Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk. Thanks for the advice, armchair commando. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896599329] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk.</quote> Thanks for the advice, armchair commando.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/22/18 11:01:50 PM #37:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Darmik posted... Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk. Thanks for the advice, armchair commando. Dude this advice is the opposite of being an armchair commando. Pretty sure this is the stuff taught to every bank and retail employee too. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896599418] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk.</quote> Thanks for the advice, armchair commando.</quote> Dude this advice is the opposite of being an armchair commando. Pretty sure this is the stuff taught to every bank and retail employee too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 11:03:13 PM #38:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Everyone has access to healthcare. You just have to pay for it. Just like you have to pay for a gun. 99.9% of people can not buy a gun and never be murdered. 99.9% can not buy healthcare and you end up with lots of sick and dead people. It is not really a choice. You can find cheap food or cheap clothes. Healthcare is not a thing you can necessarily penny pinch. Diseases and injuries also don't always give a fuck how healthy of a lifestyle you live. You can be born with or develop issues just by virtue of being born to your parents, or your body will just fuck up because it feels like it, or accidents happen. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896599489] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone has access to healthcare. You just have to pay for it. Just like you have to pay for a gun.</quote> 99.9% of people can not buy a gun and never be murdered. 99.9% can not buy healthcare and you end up with lots of sick and dead people. It is not really a choice. You can find cheap food or cheap clothes. Healthcare is not a thing you can necessarily penny pinch. Diseases and injuries also don't always give a fuck how healthy of a lifestyle you live. You can be born with or develop issues just by virtue of being born to your parents, or your body will just fuck up because it feels like it, or accidents happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:06:11 PM #39:	Darmik posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Darmik posted... Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk. Thanks for the advice, armchair commando. Dude this advice is the opposite of being an armchair commando. Pretty sure this is the stuff taught to every bank and retail employee too. In fact, companies are now beginning to instruct employees to fight back in case of a shooting and there's no option to run. Because you actually do not know if the attacker will leave you alone if you just give them what they want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsE_JdzpAbI --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896599630] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk.</quote> Thanks for the advice, armchair commando.</quote> Dude this advice is the opposite of being an armchair commando. Pretty sure this is the stuff taught to every bank and retail employee too.</quote> In fact, companies are now beginning to instruct employees to fight back in case of a shooting and there's no option to run. Because you actually do not know if the attacker will leave you alone if you just give them what they want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsE_JdzpAbI</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 11:06:53 PM #40:	Darmik posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Darmik posted... Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk. Thanks for the advice, armchair commando. Dude this advice is the opposite of being an armchair commando. Pretty sure this is the stuff taught to every bank and retail employee too. Mal secretly admitting to never even hearing of the concept of employment. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896599666] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Trying to fight them is usually an unnecessary risk.</quote> Thanks for the advice, armchair commando.</quote> Dude this advice is the opposite of being an armchair commando. Pretty sure this is the stuff taught to every bank and retail employee too.</quote> Mal secretly admitting to never even hearing of the concept of employment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 02/22/18 11:07:55 PM #42:	http://safeplans.com/active-shooter-armed-robber/ A 2014 FBI report states active shooter type attacks are on the rise and employees should be trained in active shooter response using the Run-Hide-Fight Survival Options. Run-Hide-Fight is the best practice for active shooter response, but the standard best practice for robbery response is compliance; no amount of money is worth a persons life. Being able to tell the difference, under stress, can save lives. Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. No idea why certain Americans seem so thirsty to gun down people. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896599723] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>http://safeplans.com/active-shooter-armed-robber/ <quote>A 2014 FBI report states active shooter type attacks are on the rise and employees should be trained in active shooter response using the Run-Hide-Fight Survival Options. Run-Hide-Fight is the best practice for active shooter response, but the standard best practice for robbery response is compliance; no amount of money is worth a persons life. Being able to tell the difference, under stress, can save lives.</quote> Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. No idea why certain Americans seem so thirsty to gun down people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 11:08:29 PM #43:	Sephiroth1288 posted... there's no option to run Don't just overlook this Companies are not teaching people to fight. They are teaching them to fight if they have no other recourse. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896599748] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>there's no option to run</quote> Don't just overlook this Companies are not teaching people to fight. They are teaching them to fight if they have no other recourse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:09:37 PM #44:	hockeybub89 posted... 99.9% of people can not buy a gun and never be murdered. 99.9% can not buy healthcare and you end up with lots of sick and dead people. It is not really a choice. You can find cheap food or cheap clothes. Healthcare is not a thing you can necessarily penny pinch. You need what you need. Diseases and injuries also don't always give a f* how healthy of a lifestyle you live. You can be born with or develop issues just by virtue of being born to your parents, or your body will just f* up because it feels like it, or accidents happen. You say this like it somehow changes the meaning of a "right". Try to focus on why you brought up healthcare in the first place: Again, having the "right" to bear arms does not mean the government must give you a gun. A "right" to healthcare therefore does not mean the government must pay your bills. Therefore it's not hypocritical to support gun rights while also not wanting a welfare state. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896599824] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>99.9% of people can not buy a gun and never be murdered. 99.9% can not buy healthcare and you end up with lots of sick and dead people. It is not really a choice. You can find cheap food or cheap clothes. Healthcare is not a thing you can necessarily penny pinch. You need what you need. Diseases and injuries also don't always give a f* how healthy of a lifestyle you live. You can be born with or develop issues just by virtue of being born to your parents, or your body will just f* up because it feels like it, or accidents happen.</quote> You say this like it somehow changes the meaning of a "right". Try to focus on why you brought up healthcare in the first place: Again, having the "right" to bear arms does not mean the government must give you a gun. A "right" to healthcare therefore does not mean the government must pay your bills. Therefore it's not hypocritical to support gun rights while also not wanting a welfare state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/22/18 11:10:22 PM #45:	Darmik posted... http://safeplans.com/active-shooter-armed-robber/ A 2014 FBI report states active shooter type attacks are on the rise and employees should be trained in active shooter response using the Run-Hide-Fight Survival Options. Run-Hide-Fight is the best practice for active shooter response, but the standard best practice for robbery response is compliance; no amount of money is worth a persons life. Being able to tell the difference, under stress, can save lives. Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. No idea why certain Americans seem so thirsty to gun down people. I have never met a person in real life who thought their workplace was worth dying for --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896599853] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>http://safeplans.com/active-shooter-armed-robber/ <quote>A 2014 FBI report states active shooter type attacks are on the rise and employees should be trained in active shooter response using the Run-Hide-Fight Survival Options. Run-Hide-Fight is the best practice for active shooter response, but the standard best practice for robbery response is compliance; no amount of money is worth a persons life. Being able to tell the difference, under stress, can save lives.</quote> Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. No idea why certain Americans seem so thirsty to gun down people.</quote> I have never met a person in real life who thought their workplace was worth dying for</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:10:29 PM #46:	Darmik posted... Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. What's the third word in "run-hide-fight"? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896599864] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. </quote> What's the third word in "run-hide-fight"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/22/18 11:12:45 PM #47:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Darmik posted... Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. What's the third word in "run-hide-fight"? Good god man did you read the entire thing? Remember you brought up armed robberies. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896599974] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. </quote> What's the third word in "run-hide-fight"?</quote> Good god man did you read the entire thing? Remember you brought up armed robberies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Schwarber 02/22/18 11:15:12 PM #48:	Remember when Mal said the Vegas shooting would have gone better if the people 32 stories below had guns to protect themselves with? lol --- http://i.imgur.com/iQXgYOx.gif http://i.imgur.com/l3frhSF.gif http://i.imgur.com/HM1Hjby.gif https://i.imgur.com/bvsFH0H.jpg - drawn by Yaridovich <cite>Schwarber posted [p:896600096] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>Remember when Mal said the Vegas shooting would have gone better if the people 32 stories below had guns to protect themselves with? lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:16:05 PM #49:	Darmik posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Darmik posted... Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. What's the third word in "run-hide-fight"? Good god man did you read the entire thing? Remember you brought up armed robberies. Yeah, because if you have no recourse to run, a gun is the closest thing you could have to an assurance that you'll survive. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896600138] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah I don't think anyone, anywhere encourages employees to gun down robbers. </quote> What's the third word in "run-hide-fight"?</quote> Good god man did you read the entire thing? Remember you brought up armed robberies.</quote> Yeah, because if you have no recourse to run, a gun is the closest thing you could have to an assurance that you'll survive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 02/22/18 11:17:02 PM #50:	At this point I'm not sure Mal is a real conservative and just likes to make them look bad. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:896600191] in What's wro... [t:76347934]...</cite> <quote>At this point I'm not sure Mal is a real conservative and just likes to make them look bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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