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CyricZ posted...

xBloodBrotherx posted...

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness

Nice link. Now show me where it says that "suicidal thoughts" is a mental illness like Sebastian over here is claiming.

If it helps I'll back up a bit. Suicidal thoughts can be a symptom of a mental illness, but having a symptom is not the same as having the illness.

I mean the first line.

Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in thinking, emotion or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities.

Thinking and/or acting on self harm or suicide sure sounds like a change in thinking, emotion, or behavior to me.
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xBloodBrotherx posted...

Thinking and/or acting on self harm or suicide sure sounds like a change in thinking, emotion, or behavior to me.

Well we're back to we were with KingCrabBattle: you think you can decide what a mental illness is or isn't, despite the fact that you have a source agreed upon by professionals (the DSM-5) and that source does not list suicidal thoughts/ideation as a mental illness.

But again, we're going on this semantic journey so both of you can ignore the other question, which is: so what? What if I did want to buy a firearm? How do you or anyone else plan to stop every person who has ever had suicidal thoughts in their lives from obtaining a firearm?
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CyricZ posted...

xBloodBrotherx posted...

Thinking and/or acting on self harm or suicide sure sounds like a change in thinking, emotion, or behavior to me.

Well we're back to we were with KingCrabBattle: you think you can decide what a mental illness is or isn't, despite the fact that you have a source agreed upon by professionals (the DSM-5) and that source does not list suicidal thoughts/ideation as a mental illness.

But again, we're going on this semantic journey so both of you can ignore the other question, which is: so what? What if I did want to buy a firearm? How do you or anyone else plan to stop every person who has ever had suicidal thoughts in their lives from obtaining a firearm?

I don't think I can just decide anything. I'm just pointing out that self harm and suicide seems to pretty clearly fit the American Psychological Association's definition of mental illness. I guess you can argue it doesn't if you want, don't really see how though, but you can if you want.

I'm not even involved in the side of the discussion about guns, and I'm not getting involved in that. Just think it's weird seeing someone try to argue that having real thoughts of self harm or suicide isn't mentally ill.
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Then I suggest you stop supporting him, as his claims as such are that A) having suicidal thoughts IS a mental illness and B) no one with a mental illness should have a gun.

I'm asking him to produce this magical pre-crime police force that can suss out everyone who has ever had suicidal thoughts in this country and deny them firearms.
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CyricZ posted...

Then I suggest you stop supporting him, as his claims as such are that A) having suicidal thoughts IS a mental illness and B) no one with a mental illness should have a gun.

I'm asking him to produce this magical pre-crime police force that can suss out everyone who has ever had suicidal thoughts in this country and deny them firearms.

Just read in the paper this morning a guy killed himself by hanging...damn gun violence
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CyricZ posted...

xBloodBrotherx posted...

Thinking and/or acting on self harm or suicide sure sounds like a change in thinking, emotion, or behavior to me.

Well we're back to we were with KingCrabBattle: you think you can decide what a mental illness is or isn't, despite the fact that you have a source agreed upon by professionals (the DSM-5) and that source does not list suicidal thoughts/ideation as a mental illness.

But again, we're going on this semantic journey so both of you can ignore the other question, which is: so what? What if I did want to buy a firearm? How do you or anyone else plan to stop every person who has ever had suicidal thoughts in their lives from obtaining a firearm?

Suicidal thoughts are not considered to be a specific mental illness in DSM-V but rather a symptom of other underlying mental illness. There was a push back in 2007-2008 to include suicidal thoughts into DSM-V but it seems to have failed.
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