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Pepys Monster
02/17/18 2:55:52 PM
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It has kept me safe, however. Why do liberals think they have the right to steal my favorite rifle?
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1NfamousACE_2
02/17/18 2:58:03 PM
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I've owned guns for almost 10 years and never shot anyone.

GO ME!
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Pepys Monster
02/17/18 2:58:31 PM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
I've owned guns for almost 10 years and never shot anyone.

GO ME!

But according to liberals, guns make people do shootings.
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Coffeebeanz
02/17/18 2:58:47 PM
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Your rights end where my feelings begin
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A_Good_Boy
02/17/18 2:59:19 PM
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Safe from what?
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Link HT
02/17/18 2:59:41 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Safe from what?

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Pepys Monster
02/17/18 3:00:41 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Safe from what?

From bad guys like robbers, tweakers, gangsters, etc.
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Link HT
02/17/18 3:00:59 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Safe from what?

From bad guys like robbers, tweakers, gangsters, etc.

You shot them?
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DaTwistedGuns
02/17/18 3:01:04 PM
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I known this immigrate for so many years and he's so kind. Why do conservative think they have the right to kick him out of the country?
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Turtlebread
02/17/18 3:01:07 PM
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Safe from other people with guns

that's the gun cycle
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A_Good_Boy
02/17/18 3:02:06 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Safe from what?

From bad guys like robbers, tweakers, gangsters, etc.

How so? If you actually have a story regarding how you've used your gun to protect yourself from those people then I'd love to read it.
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DifferentialEquation
02/17/18 3:02:10 PM
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Same. However, one time when I got home from work I caught I bunch of rounds loading themselves into a magazine. The magazine was then planning to then load itself into the firearm and start firing randomly. I was able to stop it in time, but I do understand the point that liberals are trying to make.
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Itachi157
02/17/18 3:02:37 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
I'd imagine in AR-15 is a terrible choice for defense against tigers.

It's great for defense against humans though.


I'm pretty sure it could kill a tiger.

I don't think you need like a rocket launcher to kill or at the very least stun one
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Pepys Monster
02/17/18 3:03:04 PM
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Link HT posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Safe from what?

From bad guys like robbers, tweakers, gangsters, etc.

You shot them?

I would have if I had to. I'm an Army veteran.
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A_Good_Boy
02/17/18 3:04:14 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Link HT posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Safe from what?

From bad guys like robbers, tweakers, gangsters, etc.

You shot them?

I would have if I had to. I'm an Army veteran.

Woah, what happened? That seems pretty scary.
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Turtlebread
02/17/18 3:05:21 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Turtlebread posted...
Safe from other people with guns

that's the gun cycle


Or knives. Or blunt objects. Or in numbers.

Not everyone who could harm you in a break in is automatically armed with a gun.


but would you rather have a gun vs gun battle or a knife vs knife fight
personally I think the latter is cooler
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RickyTheBAWSE
02/17/18 3:07:06 PM
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what situation were you in that your AR-15 was needed to make you feel safe, TC?
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A_Good_Boy
02/17/18 3:07:53 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what situation were you in that your AR-15 was needed to make you feel safe, TC?

I'm starting to think that he was just making shit up.
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Soviet_Poland
02/17/18 3:08:07 PM
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I used to ride a motorcycle for 3 years. I never got hurt. So, motorcycles must be perfectly safe. Right?

Issues are complex precisely because there seems to be seemingly contradictory truths. They can be both safe and dangerous, so which is it?

I like to use a poker analogy. You can have pocket aces and still lose a hand. You can have 2-7 offsuit and still win a hand. Is it good to play 2-7 offsuit? Is it ever good to fold pocket aces?

It depends on the case, and people suffer a bad outcome with the "right" choice and vice versa. The whole issue is whether or not a change would affect outcome overall. I'm not vying for any side, because I don't know the answer to that question and I'm not going to bullshit and pretend like I do. I reevaluate my stance on this issue a lot, and have had a lot of back and forth. So no conclusion yet. But really annoys me when people are disingenuous with the arguments on either side.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
02/17/18 3:08:25 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Your rights end where my feelings begin


Dozens of children's lives end where your feelings begin
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Pepys Monster
02/17/18 3:10:23 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what situation were you in that your AR-15 was needed to make you feel safe, TC?

It's the peace of mind that I have the means to defend my life against bad guys. I don't want to get into a knife fight. I don't want to beg a bad guy not to hurt me. If someone breaks into my home, they're getting two rounds into the chest and that's the last home they'll ever break into.
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Pepys Monster
02/17/18 3:14:31 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Turtlebread posted...
GregShmedley posted...
Turtlebread posted...
Safe from other people with guns

that's the gun cycle


Or knives. Or blunt objects. Or in numbers.

Not everyone who could harm you in a break in is automatically armed with a gun.


but would you rather have a gun vs gun battle or a knife vs knife fight
personally I think the latter is cooler


and more survivable

that's what anti-gun control peeps aren't getting

it's not about stopping it completely (that's impossible). it's about limiting the destruction.

I'd rather get into a shootout with a guy than take turns stabbing each other any day.
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RickyTheBAWSE
02/17/18 3:14:55 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what situation were you in that your AR-15 was needed to make you feel safe, TC?

It's the peace of mind that I have the means to defend my life against bad guys. I don't want to get into a knife fight. I don't want to beg a bad guy not to hurt me. If someone breaks into my home, they're getting two rounds into the chest and that's the last home they'll ever break into.


you can get that with a handgun and shotgun. it's not like you're combating an armed militia, and you're definitely not going to even attempt to overthrow a tyrannical government... so for home protection, an AR seems like a waste outside of cool points.
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Zodd3224
02/17/18 3:15:17 PM
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Yet...
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DifferentialEquation
02/17/18 3:15:38 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Turtlebread posted...
GregShmedley posted...
Turtlebread posted...
Safe from other people with guns

that's the gun cycle


Or knives. Or blunt objects. Or in numbers.

Not everyone who could harm you in a break in is automatically armed with a gun.


but would you rather have a gun vs gun battle or a knife vs knife fight
personally I think the latter is cooler


and more survivable

that's what anti-gun control peeps aren't getting

it's not about stopping it completely (that's impossible). it's about limiting the destruction.


More survivable for who? Do you think, for example, that a woman or an elderly person will have much of chance in a knife fight against the average man? Do you think they might fare better with a gun?
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 3:15:57 PM
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Link HT posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Safe from what?

Pt3lFyo
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Pepys Monster
02/17/18 3:16:49 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what situation were you in that your AR-15 was needed to make you feel safe, TC?

It's the peace of mind that I have the means to defend my life against bad guys. I don't want to get into a knife fight. I don't want to beg a bad guy not to hurt me. If someone breaks into my home, they're getting two rounds into the chest and that's the last home they'll ever break into.


you can get that with a handgun and shotgun. it's not like you're combating an armed militia, and you're definitely not going to even attempt to overthrow a tyrannical government... so for home protection, an AR seems like a waste outside of cool points.

A kevlar vest will stop handgun rounds and shotgun shells. An AR-15 is the superior choice for home defense.
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TrollSlayer11
02/17/18 3:19:02 PM
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Buying a gun turns you into a murderer.
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LordRazziel
02/17/18 3:20:52 PM
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Pepsy is exactly the kind of person that should not have a gun.
He is disturbed and emotionally stunted. He is easily a potential shooter.
If anyone hears him say something sketchy, please report him to the FBI.
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RickyTheBAWSE
02/17/18 3:22:27 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what situation were you in that your AR-15 was needed to make you feel safe, TC?

It's the peace of mind that I have the means to defend my life against bad guys. I don't want to get into a knife fight. I don't want to beg a bad guy not to hurt me. If someone breaks into my home, they're getting two rounds into the chest and that's the last home they'll ever break into.


you can get that with a handgun and shotgun. it's not like you're combating an armed militia, and you're definitely not going to even attempt to overthrow a tyrannical government... so for home protection, an AR seems like a waste outside of cool points.

A kevlar vest will stop handgun rounds and shotgun shells. An AR-15 is the superior choice for home defense.


nobody wearing that is coming to your home unless they're the police. we're getting further and further from reality, now...

you don't need to justify having an AR. "because I think they're dope" is an acceptable explanation and doesn't require any more explanation than that.

but there's no practical reason why they should be used for home defense in modern America unless you're defending your home against the Feds. you'll just end up like Christopher Dorner, though. not a good look.
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 3:23:15 PM
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LordRazziel posted...
Pepsy is exactly the kind of person that should not have a gun.

I lock the doors in my house at night to keep me safe.

@LordRazziel : "Sephiroth1288 is exactly the kind of person that should not have locks."
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A_Good_Boy
02/17/18 3:23:29 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Link HT posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Safe from what?


A picture isn't anecdote. He said that he's used it to keep him safe but he can't say how or from what. I understand that you find reading to be difficult but please try a little bit harder to track the discussion Mal.
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 3:24:03 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
but there's no practical reason why they should be used for home defense in modern America

Why

They're easier to aim and shoot than most handguns
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Pepys Monster
02/17/18 3:24:09 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
nobody wearing that is coming to your home unless they're the police.

Until some guy shows up wearing one.
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 3:24:37 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...

A picture isn't anecdote. He said that he's used it to keep him safe but he can't say how or from what.

Is a potential home invasion not a sufficient answer...?
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DifferentialEquation
02/17/18 3:25:15 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what situation were you in that your AR-15 was needed to make you feel safe, TC?

It's the peace of mind that I have the means to defend my life against bad guys. I don't want to get into a knife fight. I don't want to beg a bad guy not to hurt me. If someone breaks into my home, they're getting two rounds into the chest and that's the last home they'll ever break into.


you can get that with a handgun and shotgun. it's not like you're combating an armed militia, and you're definitely not going to even attempt to overthrow a tyrannical government... so for home protection, an AR seems like a waste outside of cool points.


The AR is perfect for home defense. Less recoil and lighter than a shotgun along with a higher round count and you get the benefit of aiming down the sights versus the shorter sight radius of a handgun. I

It is not a waste nor for cool points.


Also, the things that you mentioned, which would very important for a firearm in a home defense scenario where you might have to face more than one armed attacker, are not really going to make any difference in a school a shooting situation where someone has essentially free reign to gun down unarmed targets until the cops/SWAT arrive. There's no logical reason to be against the AR-15 specifically.
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1NfamousACE_2
02/17/18 3:26:08 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what situation were you in that your AR-15 was needed to make you feel safe, TC?

It's the peace of mind that I have the means to defend my life against bad guys. I don't want to get into a knife fight. I don't want to beg a bad guy not to hurt me. If someone breaks into my home, they're getting two rounds into the chest and that's the last home they'll ever break into.


you can get that with a handgun and shotgun. it's not like you're combating an armed militia, and you're definitely not going to even attempt to overthrow a tyrannical government... so for home protection, an AR seems like a waste outside of cool points.

A kevlar vest will stop handgun rounds and shotgun shells. An AR-15 is the superior choice for home defense.


nobody wearing that is coming to your home unless they're the police. we're getting further and further from reality, now...

you don't need to justify having an AR. "because I think they're dope" is an acceptable explanation and doesn't require any more explanation than that.

but there's no practical reason why they should be used for home defense in modern America unless you're defending your home against the Feds. you'll just end up like Christopher Dorner, though. not a good look.


Gonna be honest...I have both an AR-15 and a Mossberg 500 and if I'm grabbing one for home defense, its the Mossberg.
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A_Good_Boy
02/17/18 3:26:27 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...

A picture isn't anecdote. He said that he's used it to keep him safe but he can't say how or from what.

Is a potential home invasion not a sufficient answer...?

He said that he's used it to protect himself from thugs and gang bangers. An explicit threat of harm isn't the same thing as an implicit one. I understand that reading is hard but please try a little bit harder to track the discussion Mal.
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Tropicalwood
02/17/18 3:27:00 PM
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TC is lying, he's hurt liberal feelings more times than I can count using it.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
02/17/18 3:27:28 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
but there's no practical reason why they should be used for home defense in modern America

Why

They're easier to aim and shoot than most handguns


In a home, a confined area? No handguns are infinitely better to use in closed urban environments than a freaking assault rifle. Your range of movement is severely limited inside a home using an AR which is the only place you should even be allowed to use a gun in "self-defense"
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