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GreatEvilEmpire
02/15/18 2:03:16 PM
#102:


Axiom posted...

...did you really just post that after posting this last night. You literally said a guy had links to islam when he called them slurs and said he was linked to communism. Lmao are you fucking kidding me right now


My opinions are allowed to change based on what is uncovered. Notice I said "possible" links. If you learn to read, you'd notice it.
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Antifar
02/15/18 2:03:47 PM
#103:


The leader of this group is an extremely strange dude; he would have been at Charlottesville but had an ankle monitor at the time for trying to extort the governor's aide.
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/964207988222275585
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The Great Muta 22
02/15/18 2:05:51 PM
#104:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Axiom posted...

...did you really just post that after posting this last night. You literally said a guy had links to islam when he called them slurs and said he was linked to communism. Lmao are you fucking kidding me right now


My opinions are allowed to change based on what is uncovered. Notice I said "possible" links. If you learn to read, you'd notice it.


Your opinion was formed off a stolen picture of another kid that was posted to 4chan and ran with by people like Alex Jones. Perhaps you should stop taking shit like that seriously
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Ammonitida
02/15/18 2:06:28 PM
#105:


he's patrolling a park in full militia gear, all to catch some teenagers smoking pot


Alright this guy is a ticking time bomb.
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Axiom
02/15/18 2:07:29 PM
#106:


Incredibly weird video from head of this Florida militia he's patrolling a park in full militia gear, all to catch some teenagers smoking pot

A white nationalist that hates weed. Sessions would love this guy
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 2:10:26 PM
#107:


Took 4 posts for someone to blame trump...lol
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The Great Muta 22
02/15/18 2:15:45 PM
#108:


KingCrabCake posted...
Took 4 posts for someone to blame trump...lol


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/346552-trump-cut-funds-to-fight-anti-right-wing-violence

Hey, he only reported the facts. It's stupid to blame Trump over this, but perhaps that decision wasn't the best idea what we've seen recently.
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southcoast09
02/15/18 2:18:21 PM
#109:


A tragedy just occurred yesterday. Lets see how we can blame white people!!
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Caution999
02/15/18 2:18:26 PM
#110:


Muta youd blame Trump for stepping on a lego piece in your bare feet
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Heineken14
02/15/18 2:20:23 PM
#111:


Ammonitida posted...
he's patrolling a park in full militia gear, all to catch some teenagers smoking pot


Alright this guy is a ticking time bomb.


WTF, who left Jeff Sessions out of the tree in the backyard of the White House!
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Mal_Fet
02/15/18 2:20:50 PM
#112:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Took 4 posts for someone to blame trump...lol


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/346552-trump-cut-funds-to-fight-anti-right-wing-violence

Hey, he only reported the facts. It's stupid to blame Trump over this, but perhaps that decision wasn't the best idea what we've seen recently.

FBI already knew about this guy

http://archive.is/9Z5mu

Trump's cuts had nothing to do with their ability to monitor him
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Paper_Okami
02/15/18 2:21:07 PM
#113:


Caution999 posted...
Muta youd blame Trump for stepping on a lego piece in your bare feet


Why do you hate facts
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Axiom
02/15/18 2:21:37 PM
#114:


southcoast09 posted...
A tragedy just occurred yesterday. Lets see how we can blame white oriole!!

White orioles are a serious problem. I'm sick of them shitting on my car
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Bio1590
02/15/18 2:21:44 PM
#115:


The reason I say they have no reason to lie is because this is a group that the US government agencies could actually do something about. Admitting you're connected to a mass shooting is going to lead to a lot of investigation and questions so no one's really gonna risk that shit for a laugher.
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 2:22:00 PM
#116:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Took 4 posts for someone to blame trump...lol


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/346552-trump-cut-funds-to-fight-anti-right-wing-violence

Hey, he only reported the facts. It's stupid to blame Trump over this, but perhaps that decision wasn't the best idea what we've seen recently.


Bro trump had nothing to do with is. Like wtf man. I get it people hate trump but its a giant leap to blame the Orange man
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Antifar
02/15/18 2:22:05 PM
#117:


southcoast09 posted...
A tragedy just occurred yesterday. Lets see how we can blame white people!!

Why do you view mentions of a "white supremacist group" as an attack on "white people?"
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Ammonitida
02/15/18 2:23:31 PM
#118:


Bio1590 posted...
The reason I say they have no reason to lie is because this is a group that the US government agencies could actually do something about. Admitting you're connected to a mass shooting is going to lead to a lot of investigation and questions so no one's really gonna risk that shit for a laugher.


The guy patrols parks in military gear for pot smokers. Not the sharpest tool out there.
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Caution999
02/15/18 2:23:44 PM
#119:


southcoast09 posted...
A tragedy just occurred yesterday. Lets see how we can blame white people!!


If Hillary spent as much time pandering to BLM as to explaining her platform or lack thereof, perhaps Trump wouldnt have won.

But hey - lets go try the CNN route and blame white people for everything. Remember when George Zimmerman morphed into a white guy?
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metralo
02/15/18 2:24:59 PM
#120:


Antifar posted...
southcoast09 posted...
A tragedy just occurred yesterday. Lets see how we can blame white people!!

Why do you view mentions of a "white supremacist group" as an attack on "white people?"


they're white supremacists themselves, they see it as a personal insult as if all white people are like that.

then again, when they see an ISIS attack, or a crime caused by a black person, in their mind all members of that race/religion act like that, so it makes sense as to why they'd imagine others are blaming white people as a whole for this too
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Mal_Fet
02/15/18 2:25:24 PM
#121:


By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?
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The Great Muta 22
02/15/18 2:26:58 PM
#122:


KingCrabCake posted...
Bro trump had nothing to do with is. Like wtf man. I get it people hate trump but its a giant leap to blame the Orange man


I literally said "It's stupid to blame Trump over this", so I don't know why you guys think I am. I'm speaking more in the broad sense of that decision based off of repeated incidents that have happened. If it is true that he was involved in this group and they were holding "training sessions", then I really think we should put more resources to monitor these groups. And this holds true of any type of paramilitary group, be it on the left, right, white, black, Hispanic, Islamic, whatever.
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Giant_Aspirin
02/15/18 2:27:37 PM
#123:


Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


those people aren't rational.

are you denying that the group is taking credit for this? it almost sounds like you'r defending the group, Mal.
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The Great Muta 22
02/15/18 2:27:41 PM
#124:


Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


He.
Wasn't.
Hispanic.
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Heineken14
02/15/18 2:27:43 PM
#125:


Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


Why do you think his last name being Cruz would have any bearing on his acceptance to a white supremacist group?
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Ammonitida
02/15/18 2:28:46 PM
#126:


Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


Cruz is not native looking. For some groups I'd imagine, you just have to look white and have European ancestry. There was an old Jerry Springer episode that featured an Hispanic high-ranking KKK member.
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Antifar
02/15/18 2:29:47 PM
#127:


Cruz was the name of his adoptive parents; I've seen nothing about his middle name being "De Jesus," and Nikolas is more of a European spelling of the name than a Spanish one. My high school Spanish is rusty, but do they even have Ks?

Furthermore:
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/964210933256957952
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Ammonitida
02/15/18 2:30:40 PM
#128:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


He.
Wasn't.
Hispanic.


He was raised by an Hispanic family so he may have identified as Hispanic.
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 2:31:30 PM
#129:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


He.
Wasn't.
Hispanic.

What was he
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Antifar
02/15/18 2:31:42 PM
#130:


Ammonitida posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


He.
Wasn't.
Hispanic.


He was raised by an Hispanic family so he may have identified as Hispanic.

https://youtu.be/Aq_1l316ow8?t=16s
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The Admiral
02/15/18 2:32:00 PM
#131:


Antifar posted...
Furthermore:
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/964210933256957952


I know this may seem counterintuitive to some people, but yes, there are young people who could theoretically classify as Latino who have bled into the orbit of the alt-right.


Him being alt-right is not the same as him being accepted by a white supremacist group. I know CE loves to conflate those two things -- and @FrisbeeDude ignorantly shows off his lack of understanding in his sig -- but those aren't synonymous.
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Ammonitida
02/15/18 2:32:35 PM
#132:


Antifar posted...
Cruz was the name of his adoptive parents; I've seen nothing about his middle name being "De Jesus," and Nikolas is more of a European spelling of the name than a Spanish one. My high school Spanish is rusty, but do they even have Ks?

Furthermore:
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/964210933256957952


De Jesus was first reported by the Miami Harold.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/15/18 2:32:59 PM
#133:


Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


BREAKING NEWS... mal has called white supremacists "nazis"
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Antifar
02/15/18 2:33:15 PM
#134:


The Admiral posted...
Him being alt-right is not the same as him being accepted by a white supremacist group.

Yes, but in the very next tweet he has a screencap from the group's website where they say nonwhite members are allowed, provided they are fighting for segregated communites and won't "race mix."
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Anteaterking
02/15/18 2:33:18 PM
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Heineken14
02/15/18 2:33:38 PM
#136:


Antifar posted...
Cruz was the name of his adoptive parents; I've seen nothing about his middle name being "De Jesus," and Nikolas is more of a European spelling of the name than a Spanish one. My high school Spanish is rusty, but do they even have Ks?

Furthermore:
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/964210933256957952


I've heard people saying his middle name was actually Jacob, so Nikolas Jacob Cruz and that he is of.... fucking hell.... of Russian/Eastern European descent.
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TheGrindery
02/15/18 2:34:19 PM
#137:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


BREAKING NEWS... mal has called white supremacists "nazis"

Implying all white supremacists insist on everyone having blue eyes.
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The Great Muta 22
02/15/18 2:34:37 PM
#138:


Ammonitida posted...
Antifar posted...
Cruz was the name of his adoptive parents; I've seen nothing about his middle name being "De Jesus," and Nikolas is more of a European spelling of the name than a Spanish one. My high school Spanish is rusty, but do they even have Ks?

Furthermore:
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/964210933256957952


De Jesus was first reported by the Miami Harold.


I'm trying to find a clip that just aired of him appearing before the judge, but I'm fairly certain his middle name was said and it wasn't that. I can't confirm that yet, however.
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Mal_Fet
02/15/18 2:36:12 PM
#140:


Heineken14 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


Why do you think his last name being Cruz would have any bearing on his acceptance to a white supremacist group?

I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.

Giant_Aspirin posted...
are you denying that the group is taking credit for this? it almost sounds like you'r defending the group, Mal.

Uh, how?
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The Great Muta 22
02/15/18 2:38:04 PM
#141:


Mal_Fet posted...
I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.


But he is white...
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Mr_MacPhisto
02/15/18 2:39:22 PM
#142:


Hinakuluiau posted...
CgUmadn

Starting the parameters of a study like this from September 12th, 2001 always gives me a chuckle.
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Ammonitida
02/15/18 2:39:29 PM
#143:


Mal_Fet posted...
Heineken14 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?


Why do you think his last name being Cruz would have any bearing on his acceptance to a white supremacist group?

I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.

Giant_Aspirin posted...
are you denying that the group is taking credit for this? it almost sounds like you'r defending the group, Mal.

Uh, how?


Are you saying Cruz doesn't look white?
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Mal_Fet
02/15/18 2:40:05 PM
#144:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.


But he is white...

Just like George Zimmerman, huh?
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Mal_Fet
02/15/18 2:41:12 PM
#145:


Mr_MacPhisto posted...
Starting the parameters of a study like this from September 12th, 2001 always gives me a chuckle.

Also they insist on labeling all anti-government nutjobs as right-wing even if they are registered Democrats.
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Ammonitida
02/15/18 2:41:13 PM
#146:


Mal_Fet posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.


But he is white...

Just like George Zimmerman, huh?

Zimmerman had native features. This guy doesn't.
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Antifar
02/15/18 2:41:18 PM
#147:


This lists his middle name as Jacob

http://apps.sheriff.org/ArrestSearch/InmateDetail/201800014

There's separate Nicolas De Jesus Cruz (with a c) who was born in May 98 (the shooter in September 98), which seems to be the source of confusion.
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Heineken14
02/15/18 2:43:03 PM
#148:


Mal_Fet posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.


But he is white...

Just like George Zimmerman, huh?


Was Zimmerman a white dude adopted by parents with a Hispanic last name?
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Funbazooka
02/15/18 2:44:34 PM
#149:


He looks a little mixed with something, imo
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The Great Muta 22
02/15/18 2:46:27 PM
#150:


Mal_Fet posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.


But he is white...

Just like George Zimmerman, huh?


Do you even know the facts of this case or are you just pulling shit out of your ass? This isn't like the Zimmerman case at all
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Ammonitida
02/15/18 2:48:44 PM
#151:


Funbazooka posted...
He looks a little mixed with something, imo


Point out the features that make him look "mixed". This should be interesting.
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CableZL
02/15/18 2:49:47 PM
#152:


Antifar posted...
This lists his middle name as Jacob

http://apps.sheriff.org/ArrestSearch/InmateDetail/201800014

There's separate Nicolas De Jesus Cruz (with a c) who was born in May 98 (the shooter in September 98), which seems to be the source of confusion.


I feel bad for people with same/similar names in these situations. Other dudes named Jerry Sandusky, George Zimmerman, etc... Must be tough. Especially since people feel the need to spread false info about the wrong people.
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