Current Events > lmao it cost $13000 just to have a baby born in america

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https://i.redd.it/b2gerg6rwyf01.jpg

might as well make poor people go extinct
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you can pawn the baby to recoup some of the losses
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I think the highlighted part was a $40 charge to hold their baby lmao
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People shouldn't have children if they're not able to provide a good life for them

Control your penis
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I have an idea for people who find they can't afford their newborn children.

Nothing too out-there, just a modest proposal.
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LinksLiege posted...

I have an idea for people who find they can't afford their newborn children.

Nothing too out-there, just a modest proposal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
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theAteam posted...

I think the highlighted part was a $40 charge to hold their baby lmao

lmao yup

To be fair, she had a c-section, which requires them to literally cut open the womb to get the baby.

How much is it to have a vaginal birth at a hospital? >_>
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This was for a C section
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NeonOctopus posted...

To be fair, she had a c-section, which requires them to literally cut open the womb to get the baby.

How much is it to have a vaginal birth at a hospital? >_>

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apolloooo posted...

https://i.redd.it/b2gerg6rwyf01.jpg

might as well make poor people go extinct

Oddly, they seem to have many children.
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Dustin1280 posted...

LinksLiege posted...

I have an idea for people who find they can't afford their newborn children.

Nothing too out-there, just a modest proposal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

Wow that was some next level shit. Or I'm too ignorant to have known this was a well-known thing
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Its said skin to skin requires an additional staff member to be present in the room since the hospital is still responsible for it (their patient).
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It doesn't cost anything simply to have baby. If you choose to use a hospital's services instead of just having the baby at home, then of course you have to pay them for their time and resources.
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The US health system is a joke.
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Hmmm maybe if we didn't have to deal with all the birthright children of illegal aliens, we could cut that cost down a bit.
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theAteam posted...

I think the highlighted part was a $40 charge to hold their baby lmao

Yeah it's fucking bullshit how they nickel and dime you.

"You stepped on seventeen floor tiles between the door and your chair, that'll be $983.48"
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Literally charging you to hold your own baby. What a time to be alive.

Hopefully this means that they hold my kid for me for free. If not, just place the kid on the floor and nobody gets to touch it.
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littlebro07 posted...

theAteam posted...

I think the highlighted part was a $40 charge to hold their baby lmao

Yeah it's fucking bullshit how they nickel and dime you.

"You stepped on seventeen floor tiles between the door and your chair, that'll be $983.48"

Its actually the government and insurance companies that are the sticklers. They will find any reason to not pay. Oh so and so hospital staff faxed this in a day late? Denied.

Meanwhile hospitals are eating costs day and night because of that or uninsured people who cant or wont pay. Its no wonder they have a very strict and comprehensive billing system.
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legendarylemur posted...

Wow that was some next level shit. Or I'm too ignorant to have known this was a well-known thing

People like to pretend there's too much boundary-pushing comedy these days.

Those people don't know shit.
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LinksLiege posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Wow that was some next level shit. Or I'm too ignorant to have known this was a well-known thing

People like to pretend there's too much boundary-pushing comedy these days.

Those people don't know shit.

I guess it's boring to have heard every joke than to eventually hear them for the first time though. Ignorance being bliss in a positive sense
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Hmmm Im paying off a $36,000 bill from my son being born. Of course it includes all the high risk doc visits throughout the pregnancy.
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Dustin1280 posted...

LinksLiege posted...

I have an idea for people who find they can't afford their newborn children.

Nothing too out-there, just a modest proposal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

https://gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76309581
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Its probably cheaper to fly to UK, vacation there for a month, have a baby then fly back probably.
America will try to profit off everything, itemized invoice style.
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Uncle Choad posted...

apolloooo posted...

https://i.redd.it/b2gerg6rwyf01.jpg

might as well make poor people go extinct

Oddly, they seem to have many children.

Yeah... there certainly isn't any shortage of new poor people.

Everything about my daughters birth was covered by insurance except the cost of the gas used for driving to the hospital.
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TrueNeutral posted...

People shouldn't have children if they're not able to provide a good life for them

Control your penis

Or just abort it.

apolloooo posted...

might as well make poor people go extinct

there are plenty in this country who would love that, until the realize they no longer have any workers.
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Poor/broke people don't pay that price since they have medicaid. Low to middle class people are mandated to have insurance, so their out of pocket costs will depend on plan/deductible.

And the sticker price is never = actual cost of the care, since insurance usually lowballs reimbursements for providers, so the price is artificially high to arrive at an industry-accepted standard (again, nowhere near that sticker price).
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That has to be fake since they hid the facility name.
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they only owe 1652

thats pretty standard for a hospital stay
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These charges only apply to the middle class and higher. Lol if you actually think Ms. welfare queen-I'm-on-my-third-kid-with-a-third-dad is going to pay for any of that.
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No idea what that link is because it won't load, but assuming it's a hospital bill, women have given birth in cabs so it is clearly not a necessity.
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You can give birth at home.
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Fuck america
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apolloooo posted...

might as well make poor people go extinct

That's the plan
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chill02 posted...

you can pawn the baby to recoup some of the losses

Smuggling unwanted babies into the US and pawing em is how I've supported myself for almost 6 years. Super convenient living so close to the border.
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This is how the medical cost works in the United States:
There is a real break-even cost to a service. Say that's $100. The hospital wants to make some profit, and it wants to cover people that cannot pay, thus they charge $130.

Now insurance companies route all their customers to these hospitals. Because the insurance company gives so much business to the hospital, the insurance companies want to negotiate for a lower cost. They demand a 30% discount, down to ~$90. The hospital says they cannot do that, because they will lose money at that point. The insurance company says they do not want to send their customers if they don't get this much discount.

So what do hospitals do? They raise up the charge price. Now instead of charging $130, they charge $190. The insurance company demands a 30% discount again, and now it's down to ~$130, what they originally wanted. Now the insurance company is happy they got their discount, and the hospital is happy they got what they originally wanted to charge.

Multiply this by literally hundreds and thousands of services, different insurance companies, and hospitals... you can imagine how complicated this whole system gets. And because of all these "negotiations" they have to do, you can imagine just how much bullshit paperwork there is, bullshit negotiations to do, etc. All of this stuff is written into a giant file called the "chargemaster" in each hospital.

TL;DR: Hospitals charge a lot to negotiate it down to what they actually wanted, because the market forced them to do this.

IdiotMachine posted...

This is how the medical cost works in the United States:
There is a real break-even cost to a service. Say that's $100. The hospital wants to make some profit, and it wants to cover people that cannot pay, thus they charge $130.

Now insurance companies route all their customers to these hospitals. Because the insurance company gives so much business to the hospital, the insurance companies want to negotiate for a lower cost. They demand a 30% discount, down to ~$90. The hospital says they cannot do that, because they will lose money at that point. The insurance company says they do not want to send their customers if they don't get this much discount.

So what do hospitals do? They raise up the charge price. Now instead of charging $130, they charge $190. The insurance company demands a 30% discount again, and now it's down to ~$130, what they originally wanted. Now the insurance company is happy they got their discount, and the hospital is happy they got what they originally wanted to charge.

Multiply this by literally hundreds and thousands of services, different insurance companies, and hospitals... you can imagine how complicated this whole system gets. And because of all these "negotiations" they have to do, you can imagine just how much bullshit paperwork there is, bullshit negotiations to do, etc. All of this stuff is written into a giant file called the "chargemaster" in each hospital.

TL;DR: Hospitals charge a lot to negotiate it down to what they actually wanted, because the market forced them to do this.

Easier to pitchfork and circle jerk without doing any research though.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

Easier to pitchfork and circle jerk without doing any research though.

The cycle pretty much began with a string of malpractice suits in the 90s.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/business/economy/23leonhardt.html

Perhaps the best-known study of defensive medicine by Dr. Mark McClellan, who later ran Medicare in the Bush administration, and Daniel Kessler compared cardiology treatment in states that had capped malpractice awards in the 1980s and early 90s with those that didnt. In the states without caps, stenting and other treatments were more common, but the outcomes were no better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/11/us/decade-after-health-care-crisis-soaring-costs-bring-new-strains.html

The Bush administration has proposed a number of initiatives, including tax credits to help the uninsured buy private coverage, which the White House estimates could result in covering six million to eight million Americans. The administration also backs legislation to limit the amount of damages in medical malpractice verdicts -- a step the White House says is necessary to control health costs, including doctors' malpractice premiums.

But here's one that says it wasn't.
https://consumerfed.org/testimonial/letter-to-president-bush-on-hhs-study-of-medical-mal-practice-insurance-rates/

These are the best sources I could dig up on short notice. Sorry about that.

Skin to skin isn't just charging you to hold the baby.

It's literally an extra set of hands taking the baby BEFORE they clean it off and giving it to the mother with skin to skin contact.

It's an extra step that requires more help in the delivery room.

Funny enough, my wife and I just went through this tonight at a seminar.
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No, it looks like they charge a little more than $1,600 for a C-Section.

littlebro07 posted...

theAteam posted...

I think the highlighted part was a $40 charge to hold their baby lmao

Yeah it's fucking bullshit how they nickel and dime you.

"You stepped on seventeen floor tiles between the door and your chair, that'll be $983.48"

Wait until you have someone close to you die and you have to foot the funeral home bill. I saw a line item for my father-in-law that was $250 for "clerical changes" which was literally editing out a service. Funeral homes are a fucking scam if I ever saw one.
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Perfectinsanity posted...

Wait until you have someone close to you die and you have to foot the funeral home bill. I saw a line item for my father-in-law that was $250 for "clerical changes" which was literally editing out a service. Funeral homes are a fucking scam if I ever saw one.

My grandmother signed her life insurance policy to a funeral home. We have no idea if they're going to give back whatever they don't spend but holy shit how did he talk her into that
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theAteam posted...

Perfectinsanity posted...

Wait until you have someone close to you die and you have to foot the funeral home bill. I saw a line item for my father-in-law that was $250 for "clerical changes" which was literally editing out a service. Funeral homes are a fucking scam if I ever saw one.

My grandmother signed her life insurance policy to a funeral home. We have no idea if they're going to give back whatever they don't spend but holy shit how did he talk her into that

Wtf
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It used to be illegal to buy caskets privately. Still is in many states. I remember the story of WWE always having to use Paul Bearer's(legit mortician irl) real life Alabama mortuary to buy caskets for their shows. WWE couldn't even legally buy them on their own. Caskets are marked-up expensive as hell because you can only get them certain places.
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Most of that is forgiven
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