Current Events > windows 10 is absolute trash from an IT perspective

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absolute, horrendous garbage

its ok for someone personal computer, i guess. i mean it gets a c-

but for an IT department holy shit is is atrocious
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I have to deal with it in both contexts, and I fully agree.

EDIT: No, wasn't thinking straight. Agree it's a major hassle from an IT perspective, but I'd say it's actually really good just for regular personal use.
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how come a c-???

Actually it's the greatest operating system ever made

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Actually it's the greatest operating system ever made

you gonna' let em' finish

Let's show windows 10 whose boss and fucking deed
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Windows 10.5 se will release soon, dont worry
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It's great for personal use and doesn't really bother me from it side. IT isn't really my job anyways though just a related field
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I think it sucks for personal use. Every upgrade gets less user friendly. The developers are not developing the software for the average customer, but rather for themselves.

When I got windows 10, I had to do a half hour of google searches trying to find programs and stuff. I hate how they made the only internet icon that engine thats like 80% task bars. Wtf?
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Sneezy posted...

how come a c-???

it gets that much because its a pretty snappy OS, looks nice, everything is generally easy to find or is easily searchable, and finally has linux functionality

loses marks for windows updates, bloat/adware built into the OS, being a perpetual beta for a stable release that doesnt exist, the updates break shit so often now, cortana, 2 places for settings (control panel and the settings app), inconsistent UI, is unusable for those unlucky enough to be on a metered internet connection, sometimes installs apps without your permission, etc etc etc etc

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Actually it's the greatest operating system ever made

no
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That easily available "use a random MAC address" feature for wifi was causing me headaches with a certain user. Didn't know it was there and realized it was happening after looking at wifi access logs for quite a while.
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Rika_Furude posted...

loses marks for windows updates

Man, gotta hate those updates that fix security and performance issues!

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

loses marks for windows updates

Man, gotta hate those updates that fix security and performance issues!

the forced ones you cant delay or disable and restart your pc if it thinks you arent using it and chew up bandwidth...
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Rika_Furude posted...

the forced ones you cant delay or disable...

You complain about updates and then also complain about it being unstable

Maybe... maybe update your PC, dude?

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

the forced ones you cant delay or disable...

You complain about updates and then also complain about it being unstable

Maybe... maybe update your PC, dude?

are you trying to troll me?
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Rika_Furude posted...

are you trying to troll me?

Not trolling. Just want to know why you don't want to update your PC to fix the stability issues you complain about

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

are you trying to troll me?

Not trolling. Just want to know why you don't want to update your PC to fix the stability issues you complain about

1) i update all my pcs
2) the updates still break things
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It's been a downhill slide since Vista when they started actually removing power user features for asinine reasons like "user anxiety".
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You mostly hear people saying how the updates fucked up their system more than fixing "security" issues or any of that bullshit, they can't get that shit right 9 out of 10 times.
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I hate Windows 10. If I have my connection set to metered it should NEVER download something without asking me. My connection isn't really metered, but I hate having a bunch of stuff run in the background by Windows that I don't know about. There should be a class action lawsuit against Microsoft for forcing updates on metered connections.
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Rika_Furude posted...

loses marks for windows updates

This is easily its best pro from a tech perspective.
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COVxy posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

loses marks for windows updates

This is easily its best pro from a tech perspective.

It would be if they wernt forced downloads. Or broke things all the time, or forced restarts when it decides to.

They need to brinf back the service pack system. At the moment windows 10 is a perpetual beta
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Rika_Furude posted...

It would be if they wernt forced downloads

Naw, that's the best part.

The fact that you don't see it is concerning.

The fact that the entire medical community was recently ravaged for using out of date Windows products and that doesn't raise a blip on your radar is concerning.

Rika_Furude posted...

forced restarts when it decides to.

Also this is pretty necessary, and you should understand that too.
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COVxy posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

loses marks for windows updates

This is easily its best pro from a tech perspective.

Try working corporate IT for a while, then come back and say that. It can cause massive problems if all the PCs in a big company decide to download updates at the same time, and that happens way more often than you probably think.

And that's not even taking into account the possibility of updates breaking corporate software or the OS itself.
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This is why I use Windows ME
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id say it gets at least a B in personal use, just because of performance and memory improvements
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Isn't there an enterprise version of windows 10 that let's you NOT push updates until some time after it gets released, or even let's you choose not to have any updates at all for offline systems, but with the caveat that it doesn't support some stuff (like the app store)?

I believe I heard something like that... There's like three enterprise versions with different updating methods.

I still think Windows 10 is an improvement in many ways, but I agree that they should make the updates less frequent and work on getting them right. I think the new taskbar was a great way to find a medium ground that took the good points of the windows 8 app screen but made it better for desktop PCs. Also while the Windows 10 native applications are still mostly terrible I find them easier to ignore.

But they really should focus less on adding new features and more on streamlining and optimizing everything. Having a new little search button was neat at first, but when I found out it was nowhere near as useful as the Siri or "OK Google" buttons that it seems to be copying, it is almost unused.

I think it's good that they listened to the negative reactions to Windows 8 and stopped some of the ways they were trying to copy IOS/Android, but I still think they have work to do when it comes to forging their own path and finding things that work best for them, and stands out from their competitors rather than playing the losing game of trying to copy two companies that are already wildly successful.

C is probably a fair rating when it comes to personal use. Not a failure by any means but they still have work to do. I would say Windows XP is still the most successful that they've been so far.
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CableZL posted...

That easily available "use a random MAC address" feature for wifi was causing me headaches with a certain user. Didn't know it was there and realized it was happening after looking at wifi access logs for quite a while.

Good tip, I had no clue that was a thing. Gonna GPO that out tomorrow.

I agree with the topic, I had to use so many scripts and GPOs to make 10 usable. MS is getting better with the GPO options but it's clear they gave no shits about business use the first few years.
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I dont care about the nerdy IT having to actually do their jobs, but screen management is so much better on windows 10 and my productivity with dual screening has definitely gone down with 7 since I had 10 at my last job

Windows 10 makes me wish we could have just updated Windows 7
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Updates are forced because users are stupid. Including a lot of the IT people.

Being able to schedule more would be good but if they can be delayed forever people will do that because its easier. Its very tempting to keep putting it off because updates will sometimes take some fixing if a thing changed and its hard to see the security patches that go along with the annoyance.

Its only easy until a security flaw that was patched a while lets someone hack into your system.
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Why did they remove the "Update and Shut Down" option? You can't just turn off your PC and leave it to update anymore. The only way to actually install the update is to let the nag restart your PC and destroy your work, or go into Settings > Windows Update and manually restart it. It makes you waste your time. There is something deeply wrong with the software designers in charge of this.

COVxy posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

It would be if they wernt forced downloads

Naw, that's the best part.

The fact that you don't see it is concerning.

The fact that the entire medical community was recently ravaged for using out of date Windows products and that doesn't raise a blip on your radar is concerning.

Rika_Furude posted...

forced restarts when it decides to.

Also this is pretty necessary, and you should understand that too.

Its not nescessary to force a download for an update on a metered connection. Its up the the business to handle updates, not microsoft

Its not nescessary to force a restart making me lose my work either.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

I dont care about the nerdy IT having to actually do their jobs, but screen management is so much better on windows 10 and my productivity with dual screening has definitely gone down with 7 since I had 10 at my last job

It departments already have too much work to do without having to babysit window through everything it breaks update to update
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If you would have gave it a C++ grade, it would have been funny.
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It's a decent gaming OS simply because it has DX 12 and software support. Otherwise I'd recommend basically any Unix OS over it. I can't imagine IT departments using it, that would be a terrible move.

Forced updates are fine when they can be scheduled. It wouldn't be difficult to build in an easy to use update policy, but they are getting worse about it. Not only that but it seems like they are using these "updates" to desperately force adware onto everyone's computers because Microsoft is a third rate corporate sinkhole these days.
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See, updates aren't issue for my work because we have a WSUS server that handles updates and only the ones we want go through. It's all the other shit that's been a pain such as hiding Edge and making IE default for first time logon, cleaning up the start menu because it has Xbox shit by defualt even on Pro, and other various annoying shit.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Forced updates are fine when they can be scheduled

They can be scheduled, but then when you delay it enough times after the scheduled date, it forces the update.
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COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Forced updates are fine when they can be scheduled

They can be scheduled, but then when you delay it enough times after the scheduled date, it forces the update.

Yeah sure if you babysit the damn computer they can be scheduled. Otherwise you get crap like the Creator's update in alpha steamrolling the functionality of your PC. Updates were way easier in 7 and XP. They were better handled all around. And don't point to hospitals not keeping their shit up to date as some sort of case for this, hospitals are a shitty conglomeration of some random corporation buying a building and not knowing anything about a business, cheap ass management that has run a business but doesn't know shit about nursing, pharmacy, patient needs, or technology, and the medical staff. IT is never factored in except for a last ditch "ah fuck" moment where some contractor comes in and fixes the printer.
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I've refused to buy a new laptop since 2012 because every Windows version after 7 has been garbage-tier.
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Soundgarden posted...

I've refused to buy a new laptop since 2012 because every Windows version after 7 has been garbage-tier.

Nope.

Windows 10 is fucking garbage. My work computer was fine with Windows 7 and when they decided to "upgrade" to 10 things run so slow and stupid ass shit keeps cropping up like how one of my monitors decided not to work for a week.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

And don't point to hospitals not keeping their shit up to date as some sort of case for this, hospitals are a shitty conglomeration of some random corporation buying a building and not knowing anything about a business, cheap ass management that has run a business but doesn't know shit about nursing, pharmacy, patient needs, or technology, and the medical staff. IT is never factored in except for a last ditch "ah fuck" moment where some contractor comes in and fixes the printer.

I mean, for the most part, Microsoft has done a really good job rolling out security patches. So why are Windows machines notoriously vulnerable?

It's because users put off updating indefinitely. Taking that away was the best thing Microsoft could have done to increase the security of their systems. You don't like it because it inconveniences you, not because it's a bad feature. And it wouldn't inconvenience you if you didn't just keep clicking "install at a later date" and then selecting the latest option, rather then actually scheduling a time that works for you.
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COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

And don't point to hospitals not keeping their shit up to date as some sort of case for this, hospitals are a shitty conglomeration of some random corporation buying a building and not knowing anything about a business, cheap ass management that has run a business but doesn't know shit about nursing, pharmacy, patient needs, or technology, and the medical staff. IT is never factored in except for a last ditch "ah fuck" moment where some contractor comes in and fixes the printer.

I mean, for the most part, Microsoft has done a really good job rolling out security patches. So why are Windows machines notoriously vulnerable?

It's because users put off updating indefinitely. Taking that away was the best thing Microsoft could have done to increase the security of their systems. You don't like it because it inconveniences you, not because it's a bad feature. And it wouldn't inconvenience you if you didn't just keep clicking "install at a later date" and then selecting the latest option, rather then actually scheduling a time that works for you.

YellowSUV posted...

Windows 10 is fucking garbage. My work computer was fine with Windows 7 and when they decided to "upgrade" to 10 things run so slow and stupid ass shit keeps cropping up like how one of my monitors decided not to work for a week.

I hate this too. If you dare have a mechanical drive it will just chug for 20 minutes straight every time you boot up. I don't have many startup programs, it's always background Windows nonsense. Sometimes it'll even start during a game, and I wonder why it's taking forever to load, it's always something like Telemetry, Windows Defender, or SuperFetch. Even SuperFetch slows things down when it's loading.

COVxy posted...

I mean, for the most part, Microsoft has done a really good job rolling out security patches. So why are Windows machines notoriously vulnerable?It's because users put off updating indefinitely. Taking that away was the best thing Microsoft could have done to increase the security of their systems. You don't like it because it inconveniences you, not because it's a bad feature. And it wouldn't inconvenience you if you didn't just keep clicking "install at a later date" and then selecting the latest option, rather then actually scheduling a time that works for you.

If you only have your computer on while you're using it this doesn't work because some genius decided to remove the "Update and shut down" option.

COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

And don't point to hospitals not keeping their shit up to date as some sort of case for this, hospitals are a shitty conglomeration of some random corporation buying a building and not knowing anything about a business, cheap ass management that has run a business but doesn't know shit about nursing, pharmacy, patient needs, or technology, and the medical staff. IT is never factored in except for a last ditch "ah fuck" moment where some contractor comes in and fixes the printer.

I mean, for the most part, Microsoft has done a really good job rolling out security patches. So why are Windows machines notoriously vulnerable?

It's because users put off updating indefinitely. Taking that away was the best thing Microsoft could have done to increase the security of their systems. You don't like it because it inconveniences you, not because it's a bad feature. And it wouldn't inconvenience you if you didn't just keep clicking "install at a later date" and then selecting the latest option, rather then actually scheduling a time that works for you.

Windows machines are most vulnerable because it's the most widespread OS thus what attackers focus the most on. It has little to do with users not updating, vulnerabilities will always be there updates or not.
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