Current Events > SCOTUS rules that PA GOP must redraw district maps.

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Sayoria
02/05/18 2:16:25 PM
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https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/05/supreme-court-allows-revamp-of-pennsylvania-electoral-map/23353415/

And this was proposed through Alito no less. First sign of justice this year. (Inb4patriotsloss)
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Sayoria
02/05/18 4:57:39 PM
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CableZL
02/05/18 4:58:36 PM
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Good. I hope the ability to participate in partisan gerrymandering continues to erode.
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Tyranthraxus
02/05/18 4:58:55 PM
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huh I thought I responded to this topic but I guess not?

anyway, good news.
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bover_87
02/05/18 5:05:37 PM
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Bit of a bad title: they didn't disapprove of the map, rather they just refused to disagree with it.
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CableZL
02/05/18 5:06:48 PM
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bover_87 posted...
Bit of a bad title: they didn't disapprove of the map, rather they just refused to disagree with it.


The supreme court refused to block a lower court's order to have the maps redrawn immediately.
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bover_87
02/05/18 5:08:52 PM
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CableZL posted...
bover_87 posted...
Bit of a bad title: they didn't disapprove of the map, rather they just refused to disagree with it.


The supreme court refused to block a lower court's order to have the maps redrawn immediately.

Yes, meaning they refused to disagree with it. The court rejecting a case doesn't automatically mean they agree with the prior result.
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UnholyMudcrab
02/05/18 5:09:29 PM
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I'm not completely convinced they won't try to just ignore the lower court anyway.
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Tyranthraxus
02/05/18 5:11:06 PM
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bover_87 posted...
CableZL posted...
bover_87 posted...
Bit of a bad title: they didn't disapprove of the map, rather they just refused to disagree with it.


The supreme court refused to block a lower court's order to have the maps redrawn immediately.

Yes, meaning they refused to disagree with it. The court rejecting a case doesn't automatically mean they agree with the prior result.

So you think SCOTUS will be okay with it if they redraw the map to look exactly like it was before?
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Blue_Inigo
02/05/18 5:11:14 PM
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Good. Fuck the GOP
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CableZL
02/05/18 5:12:15 PM
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bover_87 posted...
Yes, meaning they refused to disagree with it. The court rejecting a case doesn't automatically mean they agree with the prior result.


The article says the Supreme Court denied "the emergency application to stop the immediate reworking of the electoral district boundaries." Does that also mean they "refused to disagree with the lower court's order," or just denying the emergency application?

I'm not 100% up on the semantics of this kind of thing.
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bover_87
02/05/18 5:13:34 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
bover_87 posted...
CableZL posted...
bover_87 posted...
Bit of a bad title: they didn't disapprove of the map, rather they just refused to disagree with it.


The supreme court refused to block a lower court's order to have the maps redrawn immediately.

Yes, meaning they refused to disagree with it. The court rejecting a case doesn't automatically mean they agree with the prior result.

So you think SCOTUS will be okay with it if they redraw the map to look exactly like it was before?

More than likely they won't, but them refusing to take a case shouldn't be treated as precedent. It will be up to the PA Supreme Court to deal with that, since they're the highest court to actually rule on the case.
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UnholyMudcrab
02/05/18 5:16:46 PM
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CableZL posted...
bover_87 posted...
Yes, meaning they refused to disagree with it. The court rejecting a case doesn't automatically mean they agree with the prior result.


The article says the Supreme Court denied "the emergency application to stop the immediate reworking of the electoral district boundaries." Does that also mean they "refused to disagree with the lower court's order," or just denying the emergency application?

I'm not 100% up on the semantics of this kind of thing.

The Supreme Court doesn't usually hear cases involving state constitutions. The PA GOP asked them to make an exception, and SCOTUS denied their request. They haven't struck down or upheld the lower court's ruling.
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CableZL
02/05/18 5:17:28 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
The Supreme Court doesn't usually hear cases involving state constitutions. The PA GOP asked them to make an exception, and SCOTUS denied their request. They haven't struck down or upheld the lower court's ruling.


Gotcha

I believe I understand this situation fully now.
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Tyranthraxus
02/05/18 5:18:00 PM
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bover_87 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
bover_87 posted...
CableZL posted...
bover_87 posted...
Bit of a bad title: they didn't disapprove of the map, rather they just refused to disagree with it.


The supreme court refused to block a lower court's order to have the maps redrawn immediately.

Yes, meaning they refused to disagree with it. The court rejecting a case doesn't automatically mean they agree with the prior result.

So you think SCOTUS will be okay with it if they redraw the map to look exactly like it was before?

More than likely they won't, but them refusing to take a case shouldn't be treated as precedent. It will be up to the PA Supreme Court to deal with that, since they're the highest court to actually rule on the case.

the supreme court didn't make a ruling so there is no precedent, they denied an application to block the order to redraw the districts. That means the districts must be redrawn in accordance with the lower court's decision.

This does mean they agree with the lower court's decision to redraw the districts, they just aren't setting a policy on how they are to be redrawn.
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Questionmarktarius
02/05/18 5:18:19 PM
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Tyranthraxus
02/05/18 5:19:38 PM
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bover_87
02/05/18 5:20:41 PM
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CableZL posted...
bover_87 posted...
Yes, meaning they refused to disagree with it. The court rejecting a case doesn't automatically mean they agree with the prior result.


The article says the Supreme Court denied "the emergency application to stop the immediate reworking of the electoral district boundaries." Does that also mean they "refused to disagree with the lower court's order," or just denying the emergency application?

I'm not 100% up on the semantics of this kind of thing.

Rereading some other articles, the decision is likely final since it's based purely on state law, which the SCotUS won't overturn unless it's contrary to federal law. Most likely the appeal was a last gasp thing, but it looks like the legislature will have to redraw the districts.
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Sayoria
02/05/18 5:20:57 PM
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Questionmarktarius
02/05/18 5:25:53 PM
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Sayoria posted...
7 looks insane. You can easily see that they tried working that district around certain areas. Holy shit.

7 looks like a giant scottish terrier trying to hump Pippi Longstocking.
13 looks like a fetus.
17 looks like an intermediate step of an overly-complected Transformer

At the very least, 15 was clearly drawn by a Firefly fan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pennsylvania_US_Congressional_District_15_(since_2013).tif
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Sayoria
02/05/18 5:29:11 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Sayoria posted...
7 looks insane. You can easily see that they tried working that district around certain areas. Holy shit.

7 looks like a giant scottish terrier trying to hump Pippi Longstocking.
12 looks like a fetus.
17 looks like an intermediate step of an overly-complected Transformer

At the very least, 15 was clearly drawn by a Firefly fan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pennsylvania_US_Congressional_District_15_(since_2013).tif


People call 7 "Goofy kicking Donald Duck"

Dead. Fucking dead.

WmXvWwN
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Tyranthraxus
02/05/18 5:31:11 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Sayoria posted...
7 looks insane. You can easily see that they tried working that district around certain areas. Holy shit.

7 looks like a giant scottish terrier trying to hump Pippi Longstocking.
12 looks like a fetus.
17 looks like an intermediate step of an overly-complected Transformer

At the very least, 15 was clearly drawn by a Firefly fan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pennsylvania_US_Congressional_District_15_(since_2013).tif


People call 7 "Goofy kicking Donald Duck"

Dead. Fucking dead.

WmXvWwN

it looks more like goebbels kicking dolan
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Questionmarktarius
02/05/18 5:31:50 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pennsylvania_US_Congressional_District_12_(since_2013).tif
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