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Damn_Underscore 02/02/18 5:30:57 PM #1:	????? It is a bad thing It is good thing View Results "the buying and renovation of houses and stores in deteriorated urban neighborhoods by upper- or middle-income families or individuals, raising property values but often displacing low-income families and small businesses." --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:895332863] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote> ????? It is a bad thing It is good thing View Results "the buying and renovation of houses and stores in deteriorated urban neighborhoods by upper- or middle-income families or individuals, raising property values but often displacing low-income families and small businesses."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 02/02/18 5:32:37 PM #2:	It is objectively a good thing as it raises the standard of living and economic mobility for all. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:895332950] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>It is objectively a good thing as it raises the standard of living and economic mobility for all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 02/02/18 5:32:46 PM #3:	Depends on the color of your skin --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:895332959] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>Depends on the color of your skin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 02/02/18 5:34:48 PM #4:	net positive. --- http://i.imgur.com/O3syCWD.gif http://i.imgur.com/k3YiBdG.gif <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:895333062] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>net positive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 02/02/18 5:35:14 PM #5:	Neither, it's really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive. But you already know that. --- Whatever happened to standards? Whatever happened to bare minimums? https://i.imgtc.com/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:895333089] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>Neither, it's really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive. But you already know that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManBeast462 02/02/18 5:36:20 PM #6:	No, its a good thing. It drives out crime and refreshes communities. --- http://m.imgur.com/EKKJrY6 <cite>ManBeast462 posted [p:895333139] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>No, its a good thing. It drives out crime and refreshes communities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 02/02/18 5:40:46 PM #7:	it reduces human suffering to a single statistic so you can ignore it more easily --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895333371] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>it reduces human suffering to a single statistic so you can ignore it more easily</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/02/18 5:41:20 PM #8:	hollow_shrine posted... Neither, it's really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive. But you already know that. --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:895333395] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Neither, it's really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive. But you already know that.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 02/02/18 5:42:05 PM #9:	people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:895333421] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshirulezz1 02/02/18 5:42:48 PM #10:	Anything to keep the crime away is always a good thing --- . <cite>yoshirulezz1 posted [p:895333467] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>Anything to keep the crime away is always a good thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 02/02/18 5:42:56 PM #11:	If you think it leans toward being a bad thing, then vote bad thing, and vote good thing if you think it leans toward being a good thing Otherwise everyone would vote "neither bad nor good" --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:895333473] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>If you think it leans toward being a bad thing, then vote bad thing, and vote good thing if you think it leans toward being a good thing Otherwise everyone would vote "neither bad nor good"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 02/02/18 5:48:03 PM #12:	averagejoel posted... people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad. no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me. --- http://i.imgur.com/O3syCWD.gif http://i.imgur.com/k3YiBdG.gif <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:895333739] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad.</quote> no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 5:49:37 PM #13:	what is gentrification? definitions are important --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895333816] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>what is gentrification? definitions are important</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 02/02/18 5:50:11 PM #14:	FLUFFYGERM posted... what is gentrification? definitions are important what OCP wanted to do in Robocop 3 --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895333845] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>what is gentrification? definitions are important</quote> what OCP wanted to do in Robocop 3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 02/02/18 5:53:24 PM #15:	Ehhhhh it depends on who is being asked the question. For the city itself, of course gentrification is a good thing. For the residents who were displaced, obviously not. --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:895334018] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>Ehhhhh it depends on who is being asked the question. For the city itself, of course gentrification is a good thing. For the residents who were displaced, obviously not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 02/02/18 5:54:29 PM #16:	FLUFFYGERM posted... what is gentrification? definitions are important a bunch of rich people moving into an area and driving up property value so the original inhabitants can no longer afford to live there --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:895334073] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>what is gentrification? definitions are important</quote> a bunch of rich people moving into an area and driving up property value so the original inhabitants can no longer afford to live there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 02/02/18 5:55:19 PM #17:	RebelElite791 posted... hollow_shrine posted... Neither, it's really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive. But you already know that. So elaborate instead of making useless and condescending comments like this. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:895334117] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Neither, it's really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive. But you already know that.</quote></quote> So elaborate instead of making useless and condescending comments like this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 02/02/18 5:58:13 PM #18:	FLUFFYGERM posted... what is gentrification? definitions are important People moving into a low income area and making it better. --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:895334252] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>what is gentrification? definitions are important</quote> People moving into a low income area and making it better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 02/02/18 5:58:33 PM #19:	The Admiral posted... RebelElite791 posted... hollow_shrine posted... Neither, it's really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive. But you already know that. So elaborate instead of making useless and condescending comments like this. You seriously believe saying gentrification is "really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive" is a useless and condescending comment? Are you serious? --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:895334274] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Neither, it's really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive. But you already know that.</quote></quote> So elaborate instead of making useless and condescending comments like this.</quote> You seriously believe saying gentrification is "really really complicated. And a two option poll is kind of insultingly reductive" is a useless and condescending comment? Are you serious?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 02/02/18 5:58:59 PM #20:	It's not a good thing all the way through but overall making a bad neighbourhood a good one is a good thing --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:895334292] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>It's not a good thing all the way through but overall making a bad neighbourhood a good one is a good thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 02/02/18 6:00:08 PM #21:	It's impossible to improve a community without the property values increasing as a result. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:895334360] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>It's impossible to improve a community without the property values increasing as a result.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 6:00:50 PM #23:	averagejoel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... what is gentrification? definitions are important a bunch of rich people moving into an area and driving up property value so the original inhabitants can no longer afford to live there examples of this? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895334406] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>what is gentrification? definitions are important</quote> a bunch of rich people moving into an area and driving up property value so the original inhabitants can no longer afford to live there</quote> examples of this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 02/02/18 6:02:23 PM #24:	FLUFFYGERM posted... averagejoel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... what is gentrification? definitions are important a bunch of rich people moving into an area and driving up property value so the original inhabitants can no longer afford to live there examples of this? one Mr Deere and your food supply --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895334508] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>what is gentrification? definitions are important</quote> a bunch of rich people moving into an area and driving up property value so the original inhabitants can no longer afford to live there</quote> examples of this?</quote> one Mr Deere and your food supply</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 02/02/18 6:02:38 PM #25:	FLUFFYGERM posted... averagejoel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... what is gentrification? definitions are important a bunch of rich people moving into an area and driving up property value so the original inhabitants can no longer afford to live there examples of this? New York. Toronto. Vancouver. basically the entire state of California, but particularly San Francisco. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:895334522] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>what is gentrification? definitions are important</quote> a bunch of rich people moving into an area and driving up property value so the original inhabitants can no longer afford to live there</quote> examples of this?</quote> New York. Toronto. Vancouver. basically the entire state of California, but particularly San Francisco.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paper_Okami 02/02/18 6:03:16 PM #27:	KILBOTz posted... averagejoel posted... people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad. no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me. this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes? --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:895334559] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad.</quote> no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me.</quote> this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/02/18 6:03:26 PM #28:	It Should be a good thing but it ends up being a bad thing because of property taxes. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:895334564] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>It Should be a good thing but it ends up being a bad thing because of property taxes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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flussence 02/02/18 6:06:33 PM #30:	Paper_Okami posted... KILBOTz posted... averagejoel posted... people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad. no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me. this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes? some people didn't like the last attempt at mass eugenics but corporations have now developed an easy legal loophole to inflict violence upon the poor without actually being taken to trial for it --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895334754] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad.</quote> no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me.</quote> this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes?</quote> some people didn't like the last attempt at mass eugenics but corporations have now developed an easy legal loophole to inflict violence upon the poor without actually being taken to trial for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 02/02/18 6:09:58 PM #31:	Paper_Okami posted... KILBOTz posted... averagejoel posted... people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad. no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me. this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes? They aren't being kicked out though. All of the improvements to the community that inevitably cause property values to go up (and obviously property taxes) is simply making it too expensive to stay where they are. So either you keep the area in a state of perpetual misery so that residents can afford to live there, or you improve it and hope that many of the original residents can take advantage of new opportunities that are now available so that they can improve their own standard of living. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:895334960] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad.</quote> no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me.</quote> this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes?</quote> They aren't being kicked out though. All of the improvements to the community that inevitably cause property values to go up (and obviously property taxes) is simply making it too expensive to stay where they are. So either you keep the area in a state of perpetual misery so that residents can afford to live there, or you improve it and hope that many of the original residents can take advantage of new opportunities that are now available so that they can improve their own standard of living.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 02/02/18 6:10:21 PM #32:	Little of column A, a lot of column B. I think it is overall good and beneficial, except for the specific exception of poor people who won't be able to afford to live in the improved neighborhood. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:895334977] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>Little of column A, a lot of column B. I think it is overall good and beneficial, except for the specific exception of poor people who won't be able to afford to live in the improved neighborhood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 02/02/18 6:11:57 PM #33:	Paragon21XX posted... Paper_Okami posted... KILBOTz posted... averagejoel posted... people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad. no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me. this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes? They aren't being kicked out though. All of the improvements to the community that inevitably cause property values to go up (and obviously property taxes) is simply making it too expensive to stay where they are. So either you keep the area in a state of perpetual misery so that residents can afford to live there, or you improve it and hope that many of the original residents can take advantage of new opportunities that are now available so that they can improve their own standard of living. yes the buildings are very miserable we should drive the insects living in them away to cheer them up --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895335077] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad.</quote> no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me.</quote> this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes?</quote> They aren't being kicked out though. All of the improvements to the community that inevitably cause property values to go up (and obviously property taxes) is simply making it too expensive to stay where they are. So either you keep the area in a state of perpetual misery so that residents can afford to live there, or you improve it and hope that many of the original residents can take advantage of new opportunities that are now available so that they can improve their own standard of living.</quote> yes the buildings are very miserable we should drive the insects living in them away to cheer them up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/02/18 6:12:43 PM #34:	It's both, which is why it's not a net positive. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:895335123] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>It's both, which is why it's not a net positive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 02/02/18 6:13:56 PM #35:	Kineth posted... It's both, which is why it's not a net positive. Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives? --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:895335196] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>It's both, which is why it's not a net positive.</quote> Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/02/18 6:14:58 PM #36:	Esrac posted... Kineth posted... It's both, which is why it's not a net positive. Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives? There aren't positives on the aspects of it that are negative. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:895335259] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>It's both, which is why it's not a net positive.</quote> Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives?</quote> There aren't positives on the aspects of it that are negative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 02/02/18 6:15:55 PM #37:	Paper_Okami posted... KILBOTz posted... averagejoel posted... people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad. no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me. this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes? I'd support freezing property values based on what you bought a primary residency at, but rents go up. im a landlord, I want to maximize my investment. you think I shouldn't be able to do what I see fit with my property just because someone has been there a while and it becomes their home rather than my property they are temporarily living in? Most people impacted by gentrification are renters, not owners. Why are their property rights greater than mine? --- http://i.imgur.com/O3syCWD.gif http://i.imgur.com/k3YiBdG.gif <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:895335304] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>people are more important than property value. if you accept this premise, then you have to accept that gentrification is bad.</quote> no you don't. the gentrified area isn't there without people, people still live there. its just a matter of who gets to live there. and it seems "those who can afford to live there get to live there" seems better than "whoever has been there the longest gets to stay there" to me. gentrification lets highly skilled new people get closer to the areas they want to be, which seems to be a better alternative to me.</quote> this is a bad post. Why should people be kicked out of their homes?</quote> I'd support freezing property values based on what you bought a primary residency at, but rents go up. im a landlord, I want to maximize my investment. you think I shouldn't be able to do what I see fit with my property just because someone has been there a while and it becomes their home rather than my property they are temporarily living in? Most people impacted by gentrification are renters, not owners. Why are their property rights greater than mine?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 02/02/18 6:24:44 PM #38:	Kineth posted... Esrac posted... Kineth posted... It's both, which is why it's not a net positive. Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives? There aren't positives on the aspects of it that are negative. Yes, but there are more positives than negatives. --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:895335829] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>It's both, which is why it's not a net positive.</quote> Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives?</quote> There aren't positives on the aspects of it that are negative.</quote> Yes, but there are more positives than negatives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 02/02/18 6:25:01 PM #39:	Muffinz0rz posted... Depends on the color of your skin This. If it's white people moving in then it's racist --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg https://imgur.com/r9xK2NR <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:895335844] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>Depends on the color of your skin</quote> This. If it's white people moving in then it's racist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 02/02/18 6:25:16 PM #40:	Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:895335859] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/02/18 6:26:13 PM #41:	The Admiral posted... Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means. Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:895335919] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means.</quote> Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 02/02/18 6:27:59 PM #42:	Kineth posted... The Admiral posted... Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means. Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means. It's a compound word, so you're 0 for 2 in trying to seem smart. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:895336014] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means.</quote> Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means.</quote> It's a compound word, so you're 0 for 2 in trying to seem smart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 02/02/18 6:28:08 PM #43:	Like most things, it's complicated <cite>Romes187 posted [p:895336028] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>Like most things, it's complicated</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/02/18 6:28:38 PM #44:	The Admiral posted... Kineth posted... The Admiral posted... Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means. Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means. It's a compound word, so you're 0 for 2 in trying to seem smart. Admiral doesn't know what "compound word" means. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:895336055] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means.</quote> Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means.</quote> It's a compound word, so you're 0 for 2 in trying to seem smart.</quote> Admiral doesn't know what "compound word" means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 02/02/18 6:29:54 PM #45:	It's a great thing. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:895336125] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>It's a great thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 02/02/18 6:30:11 PM #46:	Kineth posted... The Admiral posted... Kineth posted... The Admiral posted... Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means. Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means. It's a compound word, so you're 0 for 2 in trying to seem smart. Admiral doesn't know what "compound word" means. my fishing apparatus has an electron deficit --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895336146] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means.</quote> Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means.</quote> It's a compound word, so you're 0 for 2 in trying to seem smart.</quote> Admiral doesn't know what "compound word" means.</quote> my fishing apparatus has an electron deficit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 02/02/18 6:31:23 PM #47:	Kineth posted... Esrac posted... Kineth posted... It's both, which is why it's not a net positive. Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives? There aren't positives on the aspects of it that are negative. Are we speaking the same language here? Look, we have positive aspects: reduced crime in the area, improved infrastructure, new profitable businesses, influx of skilled wokers, more money for the city, etc. And we have negatives: poorer residents may have to migrate as the cost of living rises beyond their means. Do the positive aspects outweigh the fact that the poorer residents may very well have to move out of that neighborhood? If they do, then it's a net-positive, no? I acknowledge that it may not always be easy to determine. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:895336232] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>It's both, which is why it's not a net positive.</quote> Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives?</quote> There aren't positives on the aspects of it that are negative.</quote> Are we speaking the same language here? Look, we have positive aspects: reduced crime in the area, improved infrastructure, new profitable businesses, influx of skilled wokers, more money for the city, etc. And we have negatives: poorer residents may have to migrate as the cost of living rises beyond their means. Do the positive aspects outweigh the fact that the poorer residents may very well have to move out of that neighborhood? If they do, then it's a net-positive, no? I acknowledge that it may not always be easy to determine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProtoManSPx 02/02/18 6:32:21 PM #48:	Kineth posted... The Admiral posted... Kineth posted... The Admiral posted... Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means. Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means. It's a compound word, so you're 0 for 2 in trying to seem smart. Admiral doesn't know what "compound word" means. Get a room and make out already, you two <cite>ProtoManSPx posted [p:895336292] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Kineth doesn't know what the word "net positive" means.</quote> Admiral doesn't know what the word "word" means.</quote> It's a compound word, so you're 0 for 2 in trying to seem smart.</quote> Admiral doesn't know what "compound word" means.</quote> Get a room and make out already, you two</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/02/18 6:34:16 PM #49:	Esrac posted... Kineth posted... Esrac posted... Kineth posted... It's both, which is why it's not a net positive. Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives? There aren't positives on the aspects of it that are negative. Are we speaking the same language here? Look, we have positive aspects: reduced crime in the area, improved infrastructure, new profitable businesses, influx of skilled wokers, more money for the city, etc. And we have negatives: poorer residents may have to migrate as the cost of living rises beyond their means. Do the positive aspects outweigh the fact that the poorer residents may very well have to move out of that neighborhood? If they do, then it's a net-positive, no? I acknowledge that it may not always be easy to determine. I don't gradate the aspects and values in such a way. But such is the nature of a personal opinion, which is what the topic was asking about. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:895336406] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>It's both, which is why it's not a net positive.</quote> Doesn't that depend on whether the positives outweigh the negatives?</quote> There aren't positives on the aspects of it that are negative.</quote> Are we speaking the same language here? Look, we have positive aspects: reduced crime in the area, improved infrastructure, new profitable businesses, influx of skilled wokers, more money for the city, etc. And we have negatives: poorer residents may have to migrate as the cost of living rises beyond their means. Do the positive aspects outweigh the fact that the poorer residents may very well have to move out of that neighborhood? If they do, then it's a net-positive, no? I acknowledge that it may not always be easy to determine.</quote> I don't gradate the aspects and values in such a way. But such is the nature of a personal opinion, which is what the topic was asking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/02/18 6:36:43 PM #50:	I always feel like "gentrification" implies that the pushing out historical residents of an area part IS happening, which sort of makes it a bad thing. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:895336543] in Is gentrif... [t:76274948]...</cite> <quote>I always feel like "gentrification" implies that the pushing out historical residents of an area part IS happening, which sort of makes it a bad thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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