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FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 12:55:26 PM #53:	DarkChozoGhost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired? Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product. Lmao you people really believe this is how this shit works? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895315649] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired?</quote> Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product.</quote> Lmao you people really believe this is how this shit works?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 02/02/18 12:56:31 PM #54:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product. Nah, that's not very likely at all. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:895315734] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product. </quote> Nah, that's not very likely at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 02/02/18 1:03:09 PM #55:	Are you really hoping someone kickstarts a Ouya Tractor? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:895316139] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Are you really hoping someone kickstarts a Ouya Tractor?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 02/02/18 1:06:15 PM #56:	FLUFFYGERM posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired? Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product. Lmao you people really believe this is how this shit works? It has literally already happened (but not with tractor companies yet as far as I know). --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:895316314] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired?</quote> Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product.</quote> Lmao you people really believe this is how this shit works?</quote> It has literally already happened (but not with tractor companies yet as far as I know).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 02/02/18 1:08:18 PM #57:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... shockthemonkey posted... Sounds like we need new regulations in place to prevent this. Why are you trying to increase unemployment? Anarchy's post is a very bad post. I don't even know if I'm being satirical anymore. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:895316447] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Sounds like we need new regulations in place to prevent this.</quote> Why are you trying to increase unemployment?</quote> Anarchy's post is a very bad post.</quote> I don't even know if I'm being satirical anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 1:09:24 PM #58:	DarkChozoGhost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired? Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product. Lmao you people really believe this is how this shit works? It has literally already happened (but not with tractor companies yet as far as I know). Are you talking about the Netflix thing? Because that's not as simple as you think. https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/ --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895316509] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired?</quote> Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product.</quote> Lmao you people really believe this is how this shit works?</quote> It has literally already happened (but not with tractor companies yet as far as I know).</quote> Are you talking about the Netflix thing? Because that's not as simple as you think. https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 1:09:38 PM #59:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Jerry_Hellyeah posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... shockthemonkey posted... Sounds like we need new regulations in place to prevent this. Why are you trying to increase unemployment? Anarchy's post is a very bad post. I don't even know if I'm being satirical anymore. We're all meta-posting now. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895316522] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Sounds like we need new regulations in place to prevent this.</quote> Why are you trying to increase unemployment?</quote> Anarchy's post is a very bad post.</quote> I don't even know if I'm being satirical anymore.</quote> We're all meta-posting now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 02/02/18 1:10:57 PM #60:	Questionmarktarius posted... shockthemonkey posted... But putting regulations in place to prevent this also wouldnt do anything to limit new competitors either. Emissions regulations are exactly why the tractor even has embedded software, instead of just a simple carburetor any old farmer can disassemble and fix. Except that's not the issue, especially when it involves repairs that have no potential impact on emissions that would still require a John Deere-certified technician to come out to "authorize" the new part. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:895316604] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>But putting regulations in place to prevent this also wouldnt do anything to limit new competitors either.</quote> Emissions regulations are exactly why the tractor even has embedded software, instead of just a simple carburetor any old farmer can disassemble and fix.</quote> Except that's not the issue, especially when it involves repairs that have no potential impact on emissions that would still require a John Deere-certified technician to come out to "authorize" the new part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 02/02/18 1:26:56 PM #61:	FLUFFYGERM posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... So you don't think it's wrong I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint? Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law. Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup I was going to say that you're obviously joking but to be honest, given your less than stellar post history I have a hard time telling. Pot meet kettle --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:895317597] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So you don't think it's wrong </quote> I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint?</quote> Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law.</quote> Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup</quote> I was going to say that you're obviously joking but to be honest, given your less than stellar post history I have a hard time telling.</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 1:29:59 PM #62:	sktgamer_13dude posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... So you don't think it's wrong I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint? Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law. Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup I was going to say that you're obviously joking but to be honest, given your less than stellar post history I have a hard time telling. Pot meet kettle A three word response! About the level of sophistication and nuance I'd expect from you tbqh. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895317798] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So you don't think it's wrong </quote> I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint?</quote> Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law.</quote> Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup</quote> I was going to say that you're obviously joking but to be honest, given your less than stellar post history I have a hard time telling.</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> A three word response! About the level of sophistication and nuance I'd expect from you tbqh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tupacrulez 02/02/18 1:40:45 PM #63:	Wow.... The absolute garbage that is this topic. I don't even know where to begin. First off, JD isn't trying to limit poor repairs. They are trying to limit non-sanctioned repairs. They are not trying to limit warranty work, they are limiting 3rd party warranty work (very common in the used car market, for instance). They are making it literally impossible to fix your tractor/JD equipment anywhere EXCEPT a John Deere dealer. And that's par for the course. John Deere doesn't just say 'here, open a dealer' to someone with money. John Deere says where the dealer will be, what its going to sell, what parts it will carry, and what its market share is expected to be. If you do not meet that market share for 2 consecutive years, your sales staff is 'educated' by corporate staff on how to sell shit. You CANNOT sell lower than advertised. There is no dealer level incentives. If, for a 3rd tear, you are below your market share, they close up shop, and move the dealer. No questions asked. They micromanage every aspect of the dealer. And the sale. And the equipment. So how then, do they keep moving so much shit? 3 main points. They have a name that is impeccable. 30 years ago, no one made tractors like Johnny D. They have a parts network that is second to none. If I have a 40 year old JD 4020, any part it needs is no more than 3 days away. When the boys I know who run the parts side of a large JD dealer had to get parts for some experimental hydraulic arm, there was a total of 2 in the world. None on this continent. It was at their warehouse in 2 days Finally, power. You can buy a JD Swather with 610hp. In a fucking swather. Buddy couldn't hold traction on a gravel parking lot when he pulled one into the shop. They have an experimental tractor at a farm in my province running 1000hp, to see how long the engine lasts. If it meets expectations, they'll de-rate it to 850 and it'll be on the market. You don't get power like that, parts support like that, and a name like that, from any other maker. John Deere holds down 45% of the market share in this province. That's the goal. That's one company, with half the market. CaseIH, Ford-NewHolland, Kubota, Mahindra, none of them hold a candle to that. JD will do as they please. They are not selling shit to small timers any more. They're selling shit to massive farms farming huge land (the guy with the 1000 HP tractor, farms 68,000 acres). These kinds of guys aren't taking their shit to 3rd party people, they're going to a dealer because every second of downtime is money. So, JD doesn't care if the little guy can fix their shit. They are catering to someone else. --- Suck less, Rock Moar Have I licked butt hole before? All the time. --r4xor <cite>Tupacrulez posted [p:895318513] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Wow.... The absolute garbage that is this topic. I don't even know where to begin. First off, JD isn't trying to limit poor repairs. They are trying to limit non-sanctioned repairs. They are not trying to limit warranty work, they are limiting 3rd party warranty work (very common in the used car market, for instance). They are making it literally impossible to fix your tractor/JD equipment anywhere EXCEPT a John Deere dealer. And that's par for the course. John Deere doesn't just say 'here, open a dealer' to someone with money. John Deere says where the dealer will be, what its going to sell, what parts it will carry, and what its market share is expected to be. If you do not meet that market share for 2 consecutive years, your sales staff is 'educated' by corporate staff on how to sell shit. You CANNOT sell lower than advertised. There is no dealer level incentives. If, for a 3rd tear, you are below your market share, they close up shop, and move the dealer. No questions asked. They micromanage every aspect of the dealer. And the sale. And the equipment. So how then, do they keep moving so much shit? 3 main points. They have a name that is impeccable. 30 years ago, no one made tractors like Johnny D. They have a parts network that is second to none. If I have a 40 year old JD 4020, any part it needs is no more than 3 days away. When the boys I know who run the parts side of a large JD dealer had to get parts for some experimental hydraulic arm, there was a total of 2 in the world. None on this continent. It was at their warehouse in 2 days Finally, power. You can buy a JD Swather with 610hp. In a fucking swather. Buddy couldn't hold traction on a gravel parking lot when he pulled one into the shop. They have an experimental tractor at a farm in my province running 1000hp, to see how long the engine lasts. If it meets expectations, they'll de-rate it to 850 and it'll be on the market. You don't get power like that, parts support like that, and a name like that, from any other maker. John Deere holds down 45% of the market share in this province. That's the goal. That's one company, with half the market. CaseIH, Ford-NewHolland, Kubota, Mahindra, none of them hold a candle to that. JD will do as they please. They are not selling shit to small timers any more. They're selling shit to massive farms farming huge land (the guy with the 1000 HP tractor, farms 68,000 acres). These kinds of guys aren't taking their shit to 3rd party people, they're going to a dealer because every second of downtime is money. So, JD doesn't care if the little guy can fix their shit. They are catering to someone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 02/02/18 1:57:37 PM #64:	Late-stage capitalism at its finest. --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895319602] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Late-stage capitalism at its finest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 1:59:39 PM #65:	flussence posted... Late-stage capitalism at its finest. sigh tags --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895319735] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>flussence posted...</cite> <quote>Late-stage capitalism at its finest.</quote> sigh tags</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 02/02/18 2:33:19 PM #66:	FLUFFYGERM posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... So you don't think it's wrong I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint? Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law. Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup I was going to say that you're obviously joking but to be honest, given your less than stellar post history I have a hard time telling. Pot meet kettle A three word response! About the level of sophistication and nuance I'd expect from you tbqh. You sound upset. And fwiw: 1) it was a shitpost. Dont have to get so upset about it 2) I think this kind of shit (along with all the other shit that happens to farmers with Monsanto and the like) is terrible and should be fixed. Idk how since I dont pretend to be an expert at everything like some people here do, but in premise, I agree with you that something needs to change. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:895321859] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So you don't think it's wrong </quote> I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint?</quote> Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law.</quote> Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup</quote> I was going to say that you're obviously joking but to be honest, given your less than stellar post history I have a hard time telling.</quote> Pot meet kettle</quote> A three word response! About the level of sophistication and nuance I'd expect from you tbqh.</quote> You sound upset. And fwiw: 1) it was a shitpost. Dont have to get so upset about it 2) I think this kind of shit (along with all the other shit that happens to farmers with Monsanto and the like) is terrible and should be fixed. Idk how since I dont pretend to be an expert at everything like some people here do, but in premise, I agree with you that something needs to change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaffIeElite 02/02/18 2:54:02 PM #67:	But I thought right wingers supported capitalism. Are they trying to say that a company is screwing them? Couldn't be. --- I have a signature. Apparently this is important, but I still don't have my secret cool kid decoder ring yet. <cite>WaffIeElite posted [p:895323166] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>But I thought right wingers supported capitalism. Are they trying to say that a company is screwing them? Couldn't be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 2:54:50 PM #68:	WaffIeElite posted... But I thought right wingers supported capitalism. Are they trying to say that a company is screwing them? Couldn't be. would you say you're a socialist/communist? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895323211] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>WaffIeElite posted...</cite> <quote>But I thought right wingers supported capitalism. Are they trying to say that a company is screwing them? Couldn't be.</quote> would you say you're a socialist/communist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/02/18 3:59:42 PM #69:	flussence posted... Late-stage capitalism at its finest. this... isn't really wrong. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:895327277] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>flussence posted...</cite> <quote>Late-stage capitalism at its finest.</quote> this... isn't really wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 02/02/18 4:19:00 PM #70:	C7D posted... Porsche has been doing this for a while. You need a special tool to change the oil. I just paid the dealer the $300 because it wasnt worth trying to find it. Porsches use a 76mm wrench with 14 flutes. You can get it on Amazon for like $15. <cite>treewojima posted [p:895328378] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Porsche has been doing this for a while. You need a special tool to change the oil. I just paid the dealer the $300 because it wasnt worth trying to find it.</quote> Porsches use a 76mm wrench with 14 flutes. You can get it on Amazon for like $15.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 02/02/18 4:33:21 PM #71:	treewojima posted... C7D posted... Porsche has been doing this for a while. You need a special tool to change the oil. I just paid the dealer the $300 because it wasnt worth trying to find it. Porsches use a 76mm wrench with 14 flutes. You can get it on Amazon for like $15. God damn you need a group of 14 FLUTE PLAYERS to change the oil on a Porsche!? ~~I'm sorry~~ --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:895329292] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Porsche has been doing this for a while. You need a special tool to change the oil. I just paid the dealer the $300 because it wasnt worth trying to find it.</quote> Porsches use a 76mm wrench with 14 flutes. You can get it on Amazon for like $15.</quote> God damn you need a group of 14 FLUTE PLAYERS to change the oil on a Porsche!? I'm sorry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
halomonkey1_3_5 02/02/18 5:09:21 PM #72:	CableZL posted... God damn you need a group of 14 FLUTE PLAYERS to change the oil on a Porsche!? 13 to play a sad song and 1 to change the oil after they're done they're going to go apply for a job at your local Department of Transportation --- Billy Mays: July 20, 1958 - June 28, 2009 The Greatest <cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted [p:895331510] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>God damn you need a group of 14 FLUTE PLAYERS to change the oil on a Porsche!? </quote> 13 to play a sad song and 1 to change the oil after they're done they're going to go apply for a job at your local Department of Transportation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 02/02/18 5:09:54 PM #73:	when your entire party is bards --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895331544] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>when your entire party is bards</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 02/03/18 9:03:27 PM #74:	treewojima posted... C7D posted... Porsche has been doing this for a while. You need a special tool to change the oil. I just paid the dealer the $300 because it wasnt worth trying to find it. Porsches use a 76mm wrench with 14 flutes. You can get it on Amazon for like $15. I meant what you have to do in order to get the computer reset after an oil change. --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:895402516] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Porsche has been doing this for a while. You need a special tool to change the oil. I just paid the dealer the $300 because it wasnt worth trying to find it.</quote> Porsches use a 76mm wrench with 14 flutes. You can get it on Amazon for like $15.</quote> I meant what you have to do in order to get the computer reset after an oil change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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