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FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 10:54:13 AM #1:	https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware This is bullshit. We need a campaign against John Deere's bullshit. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895309490] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware This is bullshit. We need a campaign against John Deere's bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pikachupwnage 02/02/18 11:03:50 AM #3:	Yeah that kind of stuff is exploitative bullshit. You buy something you have every damn right to get it repaired and software like that for a fucking tractor is absurd. You buy it use till it breaks, fix it from however has the best halnce of availbity and price, use it more until it breaks beyond repair and buy another one. Not have it mysteriously shutdown so John Deere can charge 130$ an hour. --- I'm Mary Poppins y'all. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:895309986] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Yeah that kind of stuff is exploitative bullshit. You buy something you have every damn right to get it repaired and software like that for a fucking tractor is absurd. You buy it use till it breaks, fix it from however has the best halnce of availbity and price, use it more until it breaks beyond repair and buy another one. Not have it mysteriously shutdown so John Deere can charge 130$ an hour.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 02/02/18 11:06:41 AM #4:	Porsche has been doing this for a while. You need a special tool to change the oil. I just paid the dealer the $300 because it wasnt worth trying to find it. --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:895310132] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Porsche has been doing this for a while. You need a special tool to change the oil. I just paid the dealer the $300 because it wasnt worth trying to find it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 02/02/18 11:07:16 AM #5:	DuranOfForcena posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware This is bullshit. We need a campaign against John Deere's bullshit. i don't see how software like that is even legal. imagine if car companies tried that shit and made it so no one could get any work done on their cars except at the dealership. you go, farmers. fight that shit. Well...if you want to be able to program, reflash or update the 3 or 4 most important modules in a car as a non dealership auto mechanic you have to first buy extremely expensive automotive specific computers and then pay an expensive subscription to each automotive manufacturer you wish to be able to program, reflash or update so its not much different. --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:895310156] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware This is bullshit. We need a campaign against John Deere's bullshit.</quote> i don't see how software like that is even legal. imagine if car companies tried that shit and made it so no one could get any work done on their cars except at the dealership. you go, farmers. fight that shit.</quote> Well...if you want to be able to program, reflash or update the 3 or 4 most important modules in a car as a non dealership auto mechanic you have to first buy extremely expensive automotive specific computers and then pay an expensive subscription to each automotive manufacturer you wish to be able to program, reflash or update so its not much different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 02/02/18 11:09:03 AM #6:	the free market at work --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:895310248] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>the free market at work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paper_Okami 02/02/18 11:16:53 AM #8:	mario2000 posted... the free market at work --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:895310658] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>the free market at work</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 02/02/18 11:18:33 AM #9:	DuranOfForcena posted... josifrees posted... Well...if you want to be able to program, reflash or update the 3 or 4 most important modules in a car as a non dealership auto mechanic you have to first buy extremely expensive automotive specific computers and then pay an expensive subscription to each automotive manufacturer you wish to be able to program, reflash or update so its not much different. it is that much different though. in your case, the consumers can still take them to other mechanics besides just the dealership. In my experience most mechanics dont pay for that shit and are going to tell you to go to the dealership. --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:895310748] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>josifrees posted...</cite> <quote>Well...if you want to be able to program, reflash or update the 3 or 4 most important modules in a car as a non dealership auto mechanic you have to first buy extremely expensive automotive specific computers and then pay an expensive subscription to each automotive manufacturer you wish to be able to program, reflash or update so its not much different.</quote> it is that much different though. in your case, the consumers can still take them to other mechanics besides just the dealership.</quote> In my experience most mechanics dont pay for that shit and are going to tell you to go to the dealership.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 02/02/18 11:19:10 AM #10:	Free market. Don't buy John Deere if it's a problem. Stop trying to change capitalism because you don't like it. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:895310787] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Free market. Don't buy John Deere if it's a problem. Stop trying to change capitalism because you don't like it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 11:19:57 AM #11:	lmao at CE's communists coming out of the woodworks to shitpost about the free market --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895310839] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>lmao at CE's communists coming out of the woodworks to shitpost about the free market</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsYourFault 02/02/18 11:20:36 AM #12:	Same thing Monsanto does to them <cite>ItsYourFault posted [p:895310883] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Same thing Monsanto does to them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 02/02/18 11:21:37 AM #13:	Can't they just buy different brand tractors? --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:895310938] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Can't they just buy different brand tractors?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 11:22:30 AM #14:	I mean, the right to repair is basically the same thing as the right to your private property. Being unable to repair what you own means that your right to your own private property is being affected. This is a conservative issue, not a liberal one or some far-left communist one. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895310989] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>I mean, the right to repair is basically the same thing as the right to your private property. Being unable to repair what you own means that your right to your own private property is being affected. This is a conservative issue, not a liberal one or some far-left communist one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 11:24:36 AM #15:	Great article on why this isn't a "communists vs capitalism" issue and why it's both a liberal and a conservative issue. https://www.economist.com/news/business/21729744-tractors-smartphones-mending-things-getting-ever-harder-right-repair-movement --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895311097] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Great article on why this isn't a "communists vs capitalism" issue and why it's both a liberal and a conservative issue. https://www.economist.com/news/business/21729744-tractors-smartphones-mending-things-getting-ever-harder-right-repair-movement</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 02/02/18 11:26:14 AM #16:	You just said it wasn't a liberal issue though. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:895311179] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>You just said it wasn't a liberal issue though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 11:28:56 AM #17:	Yeah, it'd have been more accurate to say it's not a far-left "omg we need communism" issue. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895311336] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it'd have been more accurate to say it's not a far-left "omg we need communism" issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Burgess 02/02/18 11:29:53 AM #19:	You said that too. You made a point to say both things. --- Burgess [Z?] ...follow the Mod that failed. "All that typing made me have to crap."~Dark Magic Vixen <cite>Burgess posted [p:895311388] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>You said that too. You made a point to say both things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 02/02/18 11:30:25 AM #20:	Republicans shouldn't have made corruption legal. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:895311417] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Republicans shouldn't have made corruption legal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 02/02/18 11:33:59 AM #21:	Right to repair is stupid. You already have the right to do whatever you want with your properly (obvious exceptions are obvious) The "right issue" here, is whether companies have to uphold their warranties after said repairs. And I'm quite sympathetic to the idea that if I develop a product, and some idiot tinkers with it, I don't have to stand behind it. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:895311608] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Right to repair is stupid. You already have the right to do whatever you want with your properly (obvious exceptions are obvious) The "right issue" here, is whether companies have to uphold their warranties after said repairs. And I'm quite sympathetic to the idea that if I develop a product, and some idiot tinkers with it, I don't have to stand behind it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 11:35:25 AM #22:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Right to repair is stupid. You already have the right to do whatever you want with your properly (obvious exceptions are obvious) The "right issue" here, is whether companies have to uphold their warranties after said repairs. And I'm quite sympathetic to the idea that if I develop a product, and some idiot tinkers with it, I don't have to stand behind it. So you don't think it's wrong for companies to install software on vehicles that will not accept a replacement part unless it's installed by a dealer who has access to software that can digitally sign the replacement part? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895311692] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Right to repair is stupid. You already have the right to do whatever you want with your properly (obvious exceptions are obvious) The "right issue" here, is whether companies have to uphold their warranties after said repairs. And I'm quite sympathetic to the idea that if I develop a product, and some idiot tinkers with it, I don't have to stand behind it.</quote> So you don't think it's wrong for companies to install software on vehicles that will not accept a replacement part unless it's installed by a dealer who has access to software that can digitally sign the replacement part?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 02/02/18 11:37:56 AM #23:	FLUFFYGERM posted... So you don't think it's wrong I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:895311847] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So you don't think it's wrong </quote> I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 11:38:19 AM #24:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... So you don't think it's wrong I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint? Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895311871] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So you don't think it's wrong </quote> I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint?</quote> Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 02/02/18 11:39:54 AM #25:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Right to repair is stupid. You already have the right to do whatever you want with your properly (obvious exceptions are obvious) The "right issue" here, is whether companies have to uphold their warranties after said repairs. And I'm quite sympathetic to the idea that if I develop a product, and some idiot tinkers with it, I don't have to stand behind it. If the repairs are still under warrantee then why would they need a third party repair? Sounds like a shitty warrantee. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:895311981] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Right to repair is stupid. You already have the right to do whatever you want with your properly (obvious exceptions are obvious) The "right issue" here, is whether companies have to uphold their warranties after said repairs. And I'm quite sympathetic to the idea that if I develop a product, and some idiot tinkers with it, I don't have to stand behind it.</quote> If the repairs are still under warrantee then why would they need a third party repair? Sounds like a shitty warrantee.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
halomonkey1_3_5 02/02/18 11:43:25 AM #26:	why don't one of John Deere's competitors make a tractor that doesnt have the same stupid restrictions --- Billy Mays: July 20, 1958 - June 28, 2009 The Greatest <cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted [p:895312185] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>why don't one of John Deere's competitors make a tractor that doesnt have the same stupid restrictions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 02/02/18 11:46:35 AM #27:	John Deere is proving that it wants to be the Apple of farming equipment in the worst of ways. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:895312372] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>John Deere is proving that it wants to be the Apple of farming equipment in the worst of ways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 02/02/18 12:02:08 PM #28:	I wonder if this violates the tie-in sales provision of the Magnuson Moss Act in the US --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:895313287] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if this violates the tie-in sales provision of the Magnuson Moss Act in the US</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 02/02/18 12:03:19 PM #29:	Iirc video game repair industry is having this same right to repair issues as well --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:895313351] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Iirc video game repair industry is having this same right to repair issues as well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 02/02/18 12:10:55 PM #30:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... So you don't think it's wrong I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint? Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law. Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:895313777] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So you don't think it's wrong </quote> I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint?</quote> Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law.</quote> Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 12:11:47 PM #31:	sktgamer_13dude posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... So you don't think it's wrong I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint? Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law. Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup I was going to say that you're obviously joking but to be honest, given your less than stellar post history I have a hard time telling. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895313839] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>So you don't think it's wrong </quote> I don't think all "wrong" things should be illegal. And these farmers found a work around, hacked software. So why the complaint?</quote> Because technically their work around is illegal under the current law.</quote> Maybe the farmers should just follow the law then. #lockthemup</quote> I was going to say that you're obviously joking but to be honest, given your less than stellar post history I have a hard time telling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 02/02/18 12:13:36 PM #33:	DuranOfForcena posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware This is bullshit. We need a campaign against John Deere's bullshit. i don't see how software like that is even legal. imagine if car companies tried that shit and made it so no one could get any work done on their cars except at the dealership. you go, farmers. fight that shit. They did try, and it was made illegal. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895313945] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware This is bullshit. We need a campaign against John Deere's bullshit.</quote> i don't see how software like that is even legal. imagine if car companies tried that shit and made it so no one could get any work done on their cars except at the dealership. you go, farmers. fight that shit.</quote> They did try, and it was made illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/02/18 12:17:02 PM #34:	josifrees posted... DuranOfForcena posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware This is bullshit. We need a campaign against John Deere's bullshit. i don't see how software like that is even legal. imagine if car companies tried that shit and made it so no one could get any work done on their cars except at the dealership. you go, farmers. fight that shit. Well...if you want to be able to program, reflash or update the 3 or 4 most important modules in a car as a non dealership auto mechanic you have to first buy extremely expensive automotive specific computers and then pay an expensive subscription to each automotive manufacturer you wish to be able to program, reflash or update so its not much different. Not quite, but close. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895314111] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>josifrees posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware This is bullshit. We need a campaign against John Deere's bullshit.</quote> i don't see how software like that is even legal. imagine if car companies tried that shit and made it so no one could get any work done on their cars except at the dealership. you go, farmers. fight that shit.</quote> Well...if you want to be able to program, reflash or update the 3 or 4 most important modules in a car as a non dealership auto mechanic you have to first buy extremely expensive automotive specific computers and then pay an expensive subscription to each automotive manufacturer you wish to be able to program, reflash or update so its not much different.</quote> Not quite, but close.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 02/02/18 12:18:52 PM #35:	shockthemonkey posted... Sounds like we need new regulations in place to prevent this. Why are you trying to increase unemployment? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:895314174] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Sounds like we need new regulations in place to prevent this.</quote> Why are you trying to increase unemployment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 02/02/18 12:28:24 PM #36:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... shockthemonkey posted... Sounds like we need new regulations in place to prevent this. Why are you trying to increase unemployment? Anarchy's post is a very bad post. <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:895314426] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Sounds like we need new regulations in place to prevent this.</quote> Why are you trying to increase unemployment?</quote> Anarchy's post is a very bad post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 02/02/18 12:29:37 PM #37:	Contracts are a bitch like that. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:895314457] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Contracts are a bitch like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkChozoGhost 02/02/18 12:44:00 PM #39:	Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:895314948] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 12:45:37 PM #40:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this Or competition from other companies that endorse repairability and accessibility in their hardware. What kind of sloppy thinker do you have to be in order to REALLY think this can't be fixed except through more regulations? The free market can easily allow for competition if consumers decide they want repairability. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895315027] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this</quote> Or competition from other companies that endorse repairability and accessibility in their hardware. What kind of sloppy thinker do you have to be in order to REALLY think this can't be fixed except through more regulations? The free market can easily allow for competition if consumers decide they want repairability.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 02/02/18 12:47:24 PM #41:	Oh, so you think this problem should be left alone for the free market to solve it? --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:895315134] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Oh, so you think this problem should be left alone for the free market to solve it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 02/02/18 12:48:10 PM #42:	FLUFFYGERM posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this Or competition from other companies that endorse repairability and accessibility in their hardware. What kind of sloppy thinker do you have to be in order to REALLY think this can't be fixed except through more regulations? The free market can easily allow for competition if consumers decide they want repairability. Guess you should stop posting and start a tractor company. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:895315168] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this</quote> Or competition from other companies that endorse repairability and accessibility in their hardware. What kind of sloppy thinker do you have to be in order to REALLY think this can't be fixed except through more regulations? The free market can easily allow for competition if consumers decide they want repairability.</quote> Guess you should stop posting and start a tractor company.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 12:48:12 PM #43:	I think that it's demonstrably wrong to say that "only more regulations can prevent this." --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895315173] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>I think that it's demonstrably wrong to say that "only more regulations can prevent this."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 02/02/18 12:48:41 PM #44:	Do you think their should be regulations to prevent this? --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:895315205] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote>Do you think their should be regulations to prevent this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 12:48:50 PM #45:	Webmaster4531 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this Or competition from other companies that endorse repairability and accessibility in their hardware. What kind of sloppy thinker do you have to be in order to REALLY think this can't be fixed except through more regulations? The free market can easily allow for competition if consumers decide they want repairability. Guess you should stop posting and start a tractor company. Jokes aside this is a good opportunity, to be honest. What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895315216] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this</quote> Or competition from other companies that endorse repairability and accessibility in their hardware. What kind of sloppy thinker do you have to be in order to REALLY think this can't be fixed except through more regulations? The free market can easily allow for competition if consumers decide they want repairability.</quote> Guess you should stop posting and start a tractor company.</quote> Jokes aside this is a good opportunity, to be honest. What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 12:49:12 PM #46:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Do you think their should be regulations to prevent this? Only if it becomes an industry norm and there are no alternatives. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895315240] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think their should be regulations to prevent this?</quote> Only if it becomes an industry norm and there are no alternatives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 02/02/18 12:49:49 PM #47:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Webmaster4531 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this Or competition from other companies that endorse repairability and accessibility in their hardware. What kind of sloppy thinker do you have to be in order to REALLY think this can't be fixed except through more regulations? The free market can easily allow for competition if consumers decide they want repairability. Guess you should stop posting and start a tractor company. Jokes aside this is a good opportunity, to be honest. What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired? Ouya. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:895315285] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Free market. Only more regulations can prevent this</quote> Or competition from other companies that endorse repairability and accessibility in their hardware. What kind of sloppy thinker do you have to be in order to REALLY think this can't be fixed except through more regulations? The free market can easily allow for competition if consumers decide they want repairability.</quote> Guess you should stop posting and start a tractor company.</quote> Jokes aside this is a good opportunity, to be honest. What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired?</quote> Ouya.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/02/18 12:49:53 PM #48:	mario2000 posted... the free market at work which is exactly why and how Mahindra is gaining marketshare. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:895315295] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>the free market at work</quote> which is exactly why and how Mahindra is gaining marketshare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 02/02/18 12:51:31 PM #49:	FLUFFYGERM posted... What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired? Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:895315404] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>What's to keep someone from deciding to enter the market and sell a tractor that is open-sourced and easily repaired?</quote> Without net neutrality, John Deere will pay Comcast and the others to throttle the speed of any such company's website, making it essentially impossible for them to market their product.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/02/18 12:53:44 PM #51:	shockthemonkey posted... But putting regulations in place to prevent this also wouldnt do anything to limit new competitors either. Emissions regulations are exactly why the tractor even has embedded software, instead of just a simple carburetor any old farmer can disassemble and fix. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:895315533] in Farmers ha... [t:76273569]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>But putting regulations in place to prevent this also wouldnt do anything to limit new competitors either.</quote> Emissions regulations are exactly why the tractor even has embedded software, instead of just a simple carburetor any old farmer can disassemble and fix.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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