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Zodd3224
02/01/18 8:57:01 AM
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And then trading assets for Alex Smith!


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Darkman124
02/01/18 9:00:24 AM
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redskins love losing
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MegaTech
02/01/18 9:00:55 AM
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/sigh
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 9:02:01 AM
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MegaTech posted...
/sigh


Sorry friend. My condolences.
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Were_Wyrm
02/01/18 9:08:52 AM
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To be fair they're going to save a crap ton of cap space, Cousins is going to be the highest paid player when he gets signed.
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Darkman124
02/01/18 9:14:52 AM
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because the redskins mgmt couldnt keep their shit together
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chrono625
02/01/18 9:16:52 AM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
To be fair they're going to save a crap ton of cap space, Cousins is going to be the highest paid player when he gets signed.


And then the next mediocre QB will be highest paid.

The difference between having a horrible QB and an above average QB makes the difference between perpetual basement dweller and playoff contender.

Once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen.

And in a league where half the teams have QB troubles, of course a guy like cousins is going to cost a bunch.
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sellerdore
02/01/18 9:17:33 AM
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can't believe we gave up kendall fuller though. He was one of our better players, and pretty young too. Hope he balls out at KC
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 10:26:24 AM
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sellerdore posted...
can't believe we gave up kendall fuller though. He was one of our better players, and pretty young too. Hope he balls out at KC


Yes, that was dumb. They traded a good young d player and a draft pick for an older, downgrade at QB. To save money... at the most important position.
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HydraSlayer82
02/01/18 10:28:31 AM
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Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins are similar in that neither can win a big game when it counts.
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thronedfire2
02/01/18 10:34:55 AM
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All these garbage ass QBs wanting 20m a year and we got Brady making what 14m still? So selfless, truly the goat
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 10:36:03 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
All these garbage ass QBs wanting 20m a year and we got Brady making what 14m still? So selfless, truly the goat


Truth
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HydraSlayer82
02/01/18 10:38:41 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
All these garbage ass QBs wanting 20m a year and we got Brady making what 14m still? So selfless, truly the goat

Im a Steelers fan and Im rooting for the Pats. Nothing but respect for Brady and Belichick. Everyone else is playing checkers while they play chess.
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Antifar
02/01/18 10:39:18 AM
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Man, NFL QBing is weak if Kirk Cousins is 7th
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Carlbertomfg
02/01/18 10:43:35 AM
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YOU LIKE THAT!?

Real talk I hope he lands with a contender. As a Dallas fan I have been bred to hate the redskins, but I like his story. Seems like a good fella.
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thrashmetal14
02/01/18 10:44:58 AM
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Smith is an upgrade over Cousins you guys. The racistskins actually did something somewhat intelligent for once.
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Caution999
02/01/18 10:45:42 AM
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Seems like this whole season was to set up Cousins for failure. They got rid of his weapons from the previous year, and expected him to succeed with a former QB playing WR out there.
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voldothegr8
02/01/18 10:45:46 AM
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The Chiefs fucking fleeced the LOLskins.
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Wallnuts17
02/01/18 10:49:18 AM
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Imagine thinking QBR is the best way to evaluate a QB
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 10:53:14 AM
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Wallnuts17 posted...
Imagine thinking QBR is the best way to evaluate a QB


Not QB Rating. The total QBR ESPN does where they break down every play. Imagine thinking you are a better evaluator than them.
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 10:54:12 AM
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thrashmetal14 posted...
Smith is an upgrade over Cousins you guys. The racistskins actually did something somewhat intelligent for once.


Nope. He's worse and they got fleeced. They had to give up assets to downgrade at QB.
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 10:54:41 AM
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Antifar posted...
Man, NFL QBing is weak if Kirk Cousins is 7th


Redskins are a joke. He has played well the last 3 seasons.
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Caution999
02/01/18 10:55:39 AM
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Cousins is definitely a starter in the league, and if Joe Flacco can win a Superbowl, so can he. Does he need more pieces around him? Sure
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voldothegr8
02/01/18 10:56:04 AM
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Zodd3224 posted...
Wallnuts17 posted...
Imagine thinking QBR is the best way to evaluate a QB


Not QB Rating. The total QBR ESPN does where they break down every play. Imagine thinking you are a better evaluator than them.

ESPN's is even more BS than the regular QBR stat. Their power ranking are always fucked up compared to most as well.
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Butterfiles
02/01/18 10:57:01 AM
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imagine having the greatest qb of all time on your team and then trading him to the niners

gg butt riots
gr8 nfl
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 10:57:59 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Wallnuts17 posted...
Imagine thinking QBR is the best way to evaluate a QB


Not QB Rating. The total QBR ESPN does where they break down every play. Imagine thinking you are a better evaluator than them.

ESPN's is even more BS than the regular QBR stat. Their power ranking are always fucked up compared to most as well.


No it isnt. Its a very accurate evaluation.
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 10:58:35 AM
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Butterfiles posted...
imagine having the greatest qb of all time on your team and then trading him to the niners

gg butt riots
gr8 nfl


He does look like he's going to be elite for a long time... hopefully Brady can squeeze out another 5 seasons.
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The Admiral
02/01/18 11:06:49 AM
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Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.
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thronedfire2
02/01/18 11:08:05 AM
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Butterfiles posted...
imagine having the greatest qb of all time on your team and then trading him to the niners

gg butt riots
gr8 nfl


He'll be back on the Pats after his first SF contract is up and he hasn't won anything
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 11:08:06 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?
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The Admiral
02/01/18 11:11:33 AM
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Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?


An accurate connection to consistent QB quality.
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 11:12:57 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?


An accurate connection to consistent QB quality.


The top 3 ranked QBs were Wentz, Keenum, and Brady. Judging by how successful they were this year, seems pretty accurate to me.
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Darkman124
02/01/18 11:13:20 AM
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i'd be interested in seeing an annualized tracker of QB rating vs probability of making playoffs, averaged league-wide

would be a more useful stat than 90% of the stats thrown at us day to day
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Were_Wyrm
02/01/18 11:16:39 AM
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Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?

He isn't going to like any stat that puts Kaepernick number one all time.
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The Admiral
02/01/18 11:20:12 AM
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Dak Prescott was the #4 QB this season by QBR, and he was mediocre.
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 11:21:10 AM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?

He isn't going to like any stat that puts Kaepernick number one all time.


Ah. Now it all makes sense.
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KingCrabCake
02/01/18 11:21:55 AM
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Cousins is terrible tho
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 11:21:57 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Dak Prescott was the #4 QB this season by QBR, and he was mediocre.


They probably would have been a top 3 drafting team without him this season.
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The Admiral
02/01/18 11:23:21 AM
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Zodd3224 posted...
Were_Wyrm posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?

He isn't going to like any stat that puts Kaepernick number one all time.


Ah. Now it all makes sense.


It doesn't, because that's not close to being true. And if it did, that would simply prove my point about its worthlessness.

Here's an article explaining why the stat is shitty:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qbr-stat-worst-stat-tom-brady-behind-ryan-fitzpatrick-what-is-qbr
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KingCrabCake
02/01/18 11:26:52 AM
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Smith > Cousins
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KingCrabCake
02/01/18 11:27:11 AM
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Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Dak Prescott was the #4 QB this season by QBR, and he was mediocre.


They probably would have been a top 3 drafting team without him this season.

Lmfao
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 11:28:30 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Were_Wyrm posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?

He isn't going to like any stat that puts Kaepernick number one all time.


Ah. Now it all makes sense.


It doesn't, because that's not close to being true. And if it did, that would simply prove my point about its worthlessness.

Here's an article explaining why the stat is shitty:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qbr-stat-worst-stat-tom-brady-behind-ryan-fitzpatrick-what-is-qbr


There is nothing in that article that disproves it is a good measuring tool. They just didnt like the results. OMG RYAN FITZPATRICK PLAYED AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN BRADY FOR 10 WEEKS, BLASPHEMY!!!
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 11:29:27 AM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Smith > Cousins


Lmao. Yeah, cant wait to see how much more productive he is for the Redskins this season than Cousins has been.
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Anteaterking
02/01/18 11:29:57 AM
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Usually the better of a quarterback you are, the higher your QBR will be.

But the opposite implication isn't always true.

Now, part of the reason that you end up with situations where Quarterback X has better stats than Quarterback Y but a lower QBR is because it doesn't reward (or punish) you for garbage time play. In most games, even when they are winning by plenty, the Patriots don't really go to the "slam them with the run over and over" strategy, which means Tom Brady still gets plenty of yards/TDs/etc. in garbage time.
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Wallnuts17
02/01/18 11:30:43 AM
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Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?


An accurate connection to consistent QB quality.


The top 3 ranked QBs were Wentz, Keenum, and Brady. Judging by how successful they were this year, seems pretty accurate to me.


Keenum is a better qb then say cam newton matt Stanford or Aaron Rodgers, because of QBR?

Thats the point Im trying to make the stat is flawed
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KingCrabCake
02/01/18 11:32:05 AM
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Zodd3224 posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Smith > Cousins


Lmao. Yeah, cant wait to see how much more productive he is for the Redskins this season than Cousins has been.


Washington is a trash team.
Cousins is a stat padding qb who sucks

Also where does smith rank in this qbr rating bs
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Bio1590
02/01/18 11:32:08 AM
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The Offense around him was pretty shit. They let his top 2 targets just go away, their running game was trash (Cousins led the team in rushing TDs!).

Chris Thompson had 804 yards from scrimmage, which was second on the team, and he missed roughly 6.5 games.
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 11:33:18 AM
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Wallnuts17 posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine taking QBR seriously as a stat.


What exactly do you find it lacking?


An accurate connection to consistent QB quality.


The top 3 ranked QBs were Wentz, Keenum, and Brady. Judging by how successful they were this year, seems pretty accurate to me.


Keenum is a better qb then say cam newton matt Stanford or Aaron Rodgers, because of QBR?

Thats the point Im trying to make the stat is flawed


It doesnt mean he is better. But he played at a higher level this season. One good season doesnt make a better player.

Cousins has been a top 7 QB for 3 years running. He has been productive with a garbage team around him.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
02/01/18 11:36:35 AM
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HydraSlayer82 posted...
Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins are similar in that neither can win a big game when it counts.


Alex Smith slays in the playoffs.

He was a Kyle Williams away from the superbowl.

He balled out on Indy while playing with a shit ton of injuries including Charles just to have the best defense in the league give up like 45 points.

The steelers game last year was fairly weak but he was nailing guys in the hands and having them drop it.

This year he put up 21 points in the first half despite losing one of his best weapons in kelce and then had shit play calling in the second half while Andy seemingly forgot Hunt exists.

Redskins likely weren't getting cousins back and so they went out and got a great qb coming off a career year who put up similar numbers to Brady while saving a ton of cap. I actually think it was probably a bit of an over pay but Smith doesn't deserve the disrespect he gets.
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Zodd3224
02/01/18 11:38:57 AM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
HydraSlayer82 posted...
Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins are similar in that neither can win a big game when it counts.


Alex Smith slays in the playoffs.

He was a Kyle Williams away from the superbowl.

He balled out on Indy while playing with a shit ton of injuries including Charles just to have the best defense in the league give up like 45 points.

The steelers game last year was fairly weak but he was nailing guys in the hands and having them drop it.

This year he put up 21 points in the first half despite losing one of his best weapons in kelce and then had shit play calling in the second half while Andy seemingly forgot Hunt exists.

Redskins likely weren't getting cousins back and so they went out and got a great qb coming off a career year who put up similar numbers to Brady while saving a ton of cap. I actually think it was probably a bit of an over pay but Smith doesn't deserve the disrespect he gets.


He's 2 and 5 in the playoffs...
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