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I understand why it's legal, but if you have an abortion that should be something you regret or wish didn't have to happen for the rest of your life
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I understand why it's legal, but if you have an abortion that should be something you regret or wish didn't have to happen for the rest of your life

Thanks random internet guy for telling women how they should feel.
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Where do you see people celebrating abortions? You're just making shit up to argue against.
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One look at TC and abortion becomes a viable option always
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Damn_Underscore posted...

but if you have an abortion that should be something you regret or wish didn't have to happen for the rest of your life

You can EASILY make the same argument for having a kid.
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Do American women really clap when they get an abortion?
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Its certainly a strong point for racist liberals. Last year more black babies were aborted than born.
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Regardless of whether or not they regret it, it's still something they have to come to terms with. For some women that means not being ashamed. Everyone is different.
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It's a system of denial that's been being crafted for 50 years or so now.

Certain people began with thinking that abortion was a necessary evil, but you can't gain any traction on a movement like that by calling it that way.

Instead, they make up tons of bullshit.

Start by telling them it's not a life. Convince them of that.

Then spin the words and make it about free choice and women's rights.

Stay focused on obscure talking points about how a woman could die if she doesn't get an abortion. Yes, it's proven that 85% of all abortions are done for mere convenience, but people won't flock to that narrative. Just keep them focused on the sob stories where abortion seems good.

Then, you prey on people's insecurities. No person in the 18-40 range wants an UNPLANNED pregnancy. People are terrified of this shit. They want to have the abortion option available incase they fuck up.

None of this is good enough on its own to create the abortion hivemind, however, if you take the fear in my final point, and then feed people the justifications in favour of abortion, they'll happily eat it up in denial, and let that soothe their conscience for supporting an evil thing that they want to support.

tl;dr Abortion support is a lie created by higher ups to justify culling portions of the population.
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eston posted...

Regardless of whether or not they regret it, it's still something they have to come to terms with. For some women that means not being ashamed. Everyone is different.

You don't necessarily have to regret something AND be ashamed of it
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No one is. It's something that people will seek out if needed so might as well make it legal so people get safe treatments instead.
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this is the sort of moral quandry that the person having the abortion should be grappling with

not us
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M_Live posted...

Piersons_Fox posted...

Its certainly a strong point for racist liberals. Last year more black babies were aborted than born.

Are you high

Poisoned by Alex Jones' "health" "products".
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Conflict posted...

Steve Nick posted...

It's a system of denial that's been being crafted for 50 years or so now.

Certain people began with thinking that abortion was a necessary evil, but you can't gain any traction on a movement like that by calling it that way.

Instead, they make up tons of bullshit.

Start by telling them it's not a life. Convince them of that.

Then spin the words and make it about free choice and women's rights.

Stay focused on obscure talking points about how a woman could die if she doesn't get an abortion. Yes, it's proven that 85% of all abortions are done for mere convenience, but people won't flock to that narrative. Just keep them focused on the sob stories where abortion seems good.

Then, you prey on people's insecurities. No person in the 18-40 range wants an UNPLANNED pregnancy. People are terrified of this shit. They want to have the abortion option available incase they fuck up.

None of this is good enough on its own to create the abortion hivemind, however, if you take the fear in my final point, and then feed people the justifications in favour of abortion, they'll happily eat it up in denial, and let that soothe their conscience for supporting an evil thing that they want to support.

tl;dr Abortion support is a lie created by higher ups to justify culling portions of the population.

Your posts get stupider and stupider by the minute

If you guys had your way there'd be loads of children born in shitty conditions to irresponsible/unprepared parents who can't properly support them for the sake of them "not being murdurrrrred" in the womb

Adoption is also just as miserable

The irony is that your position is covered in my post. You fit in the group of people that believe that tens of millions of demographically inoptimal babies should be aborted in order to create a society that's better for the rest of the people here. I covered that in my post.

Most people won't 'enthusiastically support' abortion with that as the given reason, though. Thus why the other lies were created.
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Conflict posted...

Adoption is also just as miserable

Pro-Lifers think you're forced to raise kids you have. They don't know they're footing the bill.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Conflict posted...

Adoption is also just as miserable

Pro-Lifers think you're forced to raise kids you have. They don't know they're footing the bill.

Not if they have their way.

I do generally agree with Steve Nick. I think of it as a necessary evil, and that's that. Nor do I think it's my place to tell women that they have to carry babies to term seeing as I will NEVER be in that position.
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Abortion is great if done before later terms, and is incredibly beneficial to society as a whole, compared to having a bunch of children grow up in shitty living conditions
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Steve Nick posted...

The irony is that your position is covered in my post. You fit in the group of people that believe that tens of millions of demographically inoptimal babies should be aborted in order to create a society that's better for the rest of the people here. I covered that in my post.

There's research backing up that position:
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

Damn_Underscore posted...

I understand why it's legal, but if you have an abortion that should be something you regret or wish didn't have to happen for the rest of your life

Why should people regreat it or wish it didn't happen?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Steve Nick posted...

The irony is that your position is covered in my post. You fit in the group of people that believe that tens of millions of demographically inoptimal babies should be aborted in order to create a society that's better for the rest of the people here. I covered that in my post.

There's research backing up that position:
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

I wasn't really trying to imply differently.

Be careful though, or we're going to get in an argument about poisoned skittles in a minute here, and it won't be worth it.
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People don't take abortions lightly.

It's a fucked up traumatic experience for most women and really a move of necessity, not convenience.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Where do you see people celebrating abortions? You're just making shit up to argue against.

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hollow_shrine posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Where do you see people celebrating abortions? You're just making shit up to argue against.

try /r/twoXchromosomes

That place is the biggest abortion cheerleading squad I've ever seen.

Everyday there's a post by someone talking about how they got an abortion and they're so happy about it, and all the comments are full of praise.
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Steve Nick posted...

Everyday there's a post by someone talking about how they got an abortion and they're so happy about it, and all the comments are full of praise.

Luckily, GameFAQs is generally allergic to hugboxes, regardless of mods attempting to enforce them.

Steve Nick posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Where do you see people celebrating abortions? You're just making shit up to argue against.

try /r/twoXchromosomes

That place is the biggest abortion cheerleading squad I've ever seen.

Everyday there's a post by someone talking about how they got an abortion and they're so happy about it, and all the comments are full of praise.

They celebrate pro-choice legislation, rare these days. For clarity, I do too.

I'm not seeing anything like: "YAAAS, I just got my pregnancy aborted, AMA."

That whole subreddit looks like it's just women venting about a whole variety of problems, from reproductive rights, to condescension at work, to relationship issues, to scary test results.
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I've seen congratulatory abortion posts as the twoX toplink of the day before. I may have exaggerated by saying there's one everyday, but there's always some kind of radical pro-abortion thread going on over there.

Everytime I surf through one of the threads over there, the overall feeling from the hivemind there seems to be "Yay abortion it's so awesome"
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I don't support it because of any hatred for kids. In fact I don't like the idea of abortion at all really. Unfortunately there are teens and adults that get pregnant that have no business raising children, and there's already more than enough children in the adoption and foster care systems. On top of that, any health related issues might call for one so the baby doesn't suffer, and the mother isn't in too much danger herself.
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Steve Nick posted...

Everytime I surf through one of the threads over there, the overall feeling from the hivemind there seems to be "Yay abortion it's so awesome"

The inverse, of course, is the hivemind that an unplanned pregnancy is some sort of divine punishment.

@Steve_Nick posted...

It's a system of denial that's been being crafted for 50 years or so now.

Certain people began with thinking that abortion was a necessary evil, but you can't gain any traction on a movement like that by calling it that way.

Instead, they make up tons of bullshit.

Start by telling them it's not a life. Convince them of that.

Then spin the words and make it about free choice and women's rights.

Stay focused on obscure talking points about how a woman could die if she doesn't get an abortion. Yes, it's proven that 85% of all abortions are done for mere convenience, but people won't flock to that narrative. Just keep them focused on the sob stories where abortion seems good.

Then, you prey on people's insecurities. No person in the 18-40 range wants an UNPLANNED pregnancy. People are terrified of this shit. They want to have the abortion option available incase they fuck up.

None of this is good enough on its own to create the abortion hivemind, however, if you take the fear in my final point, and then feed people the justifications in favour of abortion, they'll happily eat it up in denial, and let that soothe their conscience for supporting an evil thing that they want to support.

tl;dr Abortion support is a lie created by higher ups to justify culling portions of the population.

This is actually one of the best posts I've ever seen written about abortion. I agree wholeheartedly. Bravo.
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I enthusiastically support abortion.

Vindris_SNH posted...

This is actually one of the best posts I've ever seen written about abortion. I agree wholeheartedly. Bravo.

It's just the way it's going to be, until we accept poverty as grounds for declaring a household unfit for children and placing those children elsewhere, or accept confiscatory wealth-redistribution systems.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Steve Nick posted...

The irony is that your position is covered in my post. You fit in the group of people that believe that tens of millions of demographically inoptimal babies should be aborted in order to create a society that's better for the rest of the people here. I covered that in my post.

There's research backing up that position:
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

Problem: Shitty moms have a higher chance of producing shitty kids that become criminals
Solution: Kill their babies

??????

the ends don't justify the means
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Questionmarktarius posted...

It's just the way it's going to be

I will never accept that.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Steve Nick posted...

The irony is that your position is covered in my post. You fit in the group of people that believe that tens of millions of demographically inoptimal babies should be aborted in order to create a society that's better for the rest of the people here. I covered that in my post.

There's research backing up that position:
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

Problem: Shitty moms have a higher chance of producing shitty kids that become criminals
Solution: Kill their babies

??????

the ends don't justify the means

Yup, that's the general idea of it.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Steve Nick posted...

The irony is that your position is covered in my post. You fit in the group of people that believe that tens of millions of demographically inoptimal babies should be aborted in order to create a society that's better for the rest of the people here. I covered that in my post.

There's research backing up that position:
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

Problem: Shitty moms have a higher chance of producing shitty kids that become criminals
Solution: Kill their babies

??????

the ends don't justify the means

No one said anything about forced infanticide.

Mothers make the choice, there's term limits, and fetuses aren't babies.

The ends do justify the means.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's just the way it's going to be

I will never accept that.

So you don't want programs in place to ensure those children have a good chance at a good future, but you ALSO want to make sure those kids are born. Seeing as the burden that is created by your anti-abortion insistence is not born by you, but the households and communities where these kids are predominantly born in, it seems like a rather self-righteous, yet selfish position.
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Why not? Abortion is totally awesome.
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Steve Nick posted...

You can also explore the racism of it as well. For example, the CDC has reported that black babies are aborted at a rate of 7x the rate that white babies are aborted.

If abortion was illegal you might be hearing black women dying 7x more often from back alley abortions.That's not better.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I understand why it's legal, but if you have an abortion that should be something you regret or wish didn't have to happen for the rest of your life

Because it isn't actually murder.
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AdviceMan posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's just the way it's going to be

I will never accept that.

So you don't want programs in place to ensure those children have a good chance at a good future, but you ALSO want to make sure those kids are born. Seeing as the burden that is created by your anti-abortion insistence is not born by you, but the households and communities where these kids are predominantly born in, it seems like a rather self-righteous, yet selfish position.

I was talking about abortion. I don't accept that abortion is "just going to have to exist for now". If that's not what he was talking about then sorry, I misread.

As for having programs in place to ensure children have a good future, I'm all for that, and I'm happy to help pay for it.
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AdviceMan posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's just the way it's going to be

I will never accept that.

So you don't want programs in place to ensure those children have a good chance at a good future, but you ALSO want to make sure those kids are born. Seeing as the burden that is created by your anti-abortion insistence is not born by you, but the households and communities where these kids are predominantly born in, it seems like a rather self-righteous, yet selfish position.

This argument is brought up a lot against pro-lifers, and it's probably a pretty good argument against a lot of hardlining republicans, but I'm not in that camp.

I'm anti-abortion and pro-social-welfare. But the country is fucked anyways by corporate greed/etc, which is why we can't have nice things. Realistically, we should have the wealth where this shit shouldn't be a problem.

That's just an entirely new subject altogether, though.
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-Unowninator- posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

I understand why it's legal, but if you have an abortion that should be something you regret or wish didn't have to happen for the rest of your life

Because it isn't actually murder.

Something being legal doesn't make it an ethical practice.
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As long as liberals keep trying to take away my gun rights, I'll support candidates who restrict and fight against abortions.
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Steve Nick posted...

It's a system of denial that's been being crafted for 50 years or so now.

Certain people began with thinking that abortion was a necessary evil, but you can't gain any traction on a movement like that by calling it that way.

Instead, they make up tons of bullshit.

Start by telling them it's not a life. Convince them of that.

Then spin the words and make it about free choice and women's rights.

Stay focused on obscure talking points about how a woman could die if she doesn't get an abortion. Yes, it's proven that 85% of all abortions are done for mere convenience, but people won't flock to that narrative. Just keep them focused on the sob stories where abortion seems good.

Then, you prey on people's insecurities. No person in the 18-40 range wants an UNPLANNED pregnancy. People are terrified of this shit. They want to have the abortion option available incase they fuck up.

None of this is good enough on its own to create the abortion hivemind, however, if you take the fear in my final point, and then feed people the justifications in favour of abortion, they'll happily eat it up in denial, and let that soothe their conscience for supporting an evil thing that they want to support.

tl;dr Abortion support is a lie created by higher ups to justify culling portions of the population.

If you cut out the conspiracy theory in the last line, this is a great post
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DifferentialEquation posted...

As long as liberals keep trying to take away my gun rights, I'll support candidates who restrict and fight against abortions.

Why? Abortions and guns are basically the same thing.
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