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Why do you think the anti-Americanist feeling in some forums is so intense nowadays? It makes me uncomfortable.

BTW even Americans act like Americans are the bad guys nowadays, not only foreigners. I should add that.

America has always been made fun of by other countries for as long as the internet existed tbh.
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Funkydog posted...

America has always been made fun of by other countries for as long as the internet existed tbh.

It is one thing to make fun sometimes of something, other thing altogether to be against something.

BiniBinaBino posted...

BTW even Americans act like Americans are the bad guys nowadays, not only foreigners. I should add that.

bc its true
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It's progressive liberalism, if you hadn't noticed they're been attacking western culture for a long time.

Jealousy
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BiniBinaBino posted...

BTW even Americans act like Americans are the bad guys nowadays, not only foreigners. I should add that.

yea it's trendy these days to be a self hating american. that way they can say "look at me world. I'm like you. I'm not like the other americans. they suck right? guys? guys? are you listening? please dont hate......you guys are so cool......"

*shrugs*

People suck in general. American, Spanish, Chinese, Italian, Kenyan, Chilean, Canadian, Australian, you name it.
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And of course it's a new account
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Everyone loves shitting on the top dog.
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Some people don't understand the difference between constructive criticism and hatred. See conservatives think that if you don't pretend America is perfect and never did anything wrong in history, then you're anti American. But liberals understand that loving America means wanting to to make America the best country it can be. So when we point out flaws in our society or acknowledge mistakes/wrongdoings it's because we want America to learn and grow from those lessons.

Like Kaepernick kneeling for the flag. Conservatives painted it as him hating America and the troops and being ungrateful for everything this country has allowed him accomplish. But in reality his goal from the beginning was stated to be opening up the discussion on the treatment of minorities in this country along with exposing the long-standing corrupt practices of parts of our police force. He wanted to call attention to these issues so that they could be fixed,but conservatives were just too triggered after they felt like someone had invaded their safespace to be reasoned with.
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It's because Americans have increased the frequency of their shit posts a tremendous amount since Trump got elected. Can't even have a discussion about anything not-American anymore without a group of Amerimutts entering a topic to bark and shit on everything.
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Forums are full of edgelord teenagers and 30 year-olds who blame capitalism for why they can't get a decent job.
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The US is the world's sole superpower currently. It has military bases all over the world and sticks its nose where it isn't wanted due to "defending its interests". A tendency to kiss both Saudi Arabia and Israel's ass really doesn't help matters either.

It is difficult to get away from their entertainment, politics or actions - there is a mindset that if something is bad for the US then it is bad for everyone and must be changed. Society and its problems are viewed through an American lens - particularly regarding race which fails to understand that the rest of the world isn't the US.

The notion of "American Exceptionalism" is going to rub a lot of people up the wrong way also, an inability to accept that US style "freedom and democracy" is not going to be what everyone wants makes it so that when the US sticks its nose into other nations politics - particularly when it comes down to that overarching "US interests" is going to create resentment.

There is going to be jealousy from some peoples who have lost their position of power after the Second World War also, that's part and parcel of power waxing and waning.

The US since becoming the world power has a tendency to fuck up things wherever they go and then act surprised when other nations or people don't like them. That's the cost of being the dominant power - others are not going to like you.
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People bash America because America is the greatest nation the planet has ever known. People would literally risk dying to come here because it still is the land of opportunity.
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Zikten posted...

BiniBinaBino posted...

BTW even Americans act like Americans are the bad guys nowadays, not only foreigners. I should add that.

yea it's trendy these days to be a self hating american. that way they can say "look at me world. I'm like you. I'm not like the other americans. they suck right? guys? guys? are you listening? please dont hate......you guys are so cool......"

Nothing "trendy" about it. If you were born and raised lower class, you wouldn't have any love left for America either.
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Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.
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electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.
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Newhopes posted...

It's progressive liberalism, if you hadn't noticed they're been attacking western culture for a long time.

Nope.
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We are the bad guys, we bomb and kill people all of the time now. People hate us. Its not anti-American, its just that we need to reflect how our actions have consequences and we cant sustain this path.
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Keep in mind that the USA is a country that claims itself to be the best, the most powerful, most righteous, most badass, democratic, and paints all of its enemies as anti-democracy, anti-freedom and evil. The country has also consistently shown throughout history that it will fuck everyone in order to get its piece of cake. I'm not saying this "anti-American" mentality is right, just saying that I understand where those people are coming from. I see how this American propaganda may make someone who isn't born in the country uncomfortable.

If you want to change that, you can start by acting different from what many people imagine an average American to be.

1. Stop relying ONLY on your mainstream news channels to get information, like Fox News. It is the information age, you know, and you can rely on alternative sources. Be aware that your government (like any other) lies to make itself look better.

2. Acknowledge the fuck ups of your government from the past. You don't have to hate it, just admit it wasn't always perfect.

3. Stop with the imperialist and self-righteous propaganda. In other words, leave other countries be (unless in self-defense scenarios), acknowledge that other culture =/= mean and anti-freedom, and seek a less aggressive international plan of action.

Heck, I still meet some Americans who think Thomas Edison was something, and say he invented electricity... do they even teach about the existence of Tesla in American schools? They do everything to pretend electricity was an American's invention,and not a Serbian's, after all. Oh yeah, the airplane's invention too. It was a Brazilian's invention, but they keep saying it was an American invention.
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"The way I see it, anyone that's proud of their country is either a thug or hasn't read enough history yet."

In reality, nations are built on bloody, immoral foundations. America was literally built on the backs of slaves, we've elected buffoons who cater to the rich and the corporations, and we've become apathetic to the struggle of any other nation than our own.

I love the idea of America, the one they teach you in public school; that this is a land for the free, a melting pot, and the greatest nation on the planet.

But in practice, we're continually fucking up. We need to be better.
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People bash everywhere. It's just Americans are ridiculously insecure when it comes to their culture .

Thelema posted...

Keep in mind that the USA is a country that claims itself to be the best, the most powerful, most righteous, most badass, democratic, and paints all of its enemies as anti-democracy, anti-freedom and evil. The country has also consistently shown throughout history that it will fuck everyone in order to get its piece of cake. I'm not saying this "anti-American" mentality is right, just saying that I understand where those people are coming from. I see how this American propaganda may make someone who isn't born in the country uncomfortable.

If you want to change that, you can start by acting different from what many people imagine an average American to be.

1. Stop relying ONLY on your mainstream news channels to get information, like Fox News. It is the information age, you know, and you can rely on alternative sources. Be aware that your government (like any other) lies to make itself look better.

2. Acknowledge the fuck ups of your government from the past. You don't have to hate it, just admit it wasn't always perfect.

3. Stop with the imperialist and self-righteous propaganda. In other words, leave other countries be (unless in self-defense scenarios), acknowledge that other culture =/= mean and anti-freedom, and seek a less aggressive international plan of action.

Heck, I still meet some Americans who think Thomas Edison was something, and say he invented electricity... do they even teach about the existence of Tesla in American schools? They do everything to pretend electricity was an American's invention,and not a Serbian's, after all. Oh yeah, the airplane's invention too. It was a Brazilian's invention, but they keep saying it was an American invention.

Well Thomas Edison was quite clearly a genius though he did take credit for some things he shouldn't have and had his share of faults, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And the Wright brothers didn't invent the plane? Can you teach me more? Never heard about this!
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Patchwork posted...

"The way I see it, anyone that's proud of their country is either a thug or hasn't read enough history yet."

In reality, nations are built on bloody, immoral foundations. America was literally built on the backs of slaves, we've elected buffoons who cater to the rich and the corporations, and we've become apathetic to the struggle of any other nation than our own.

I love the idea of America, the one they teach you in public school; that this is a land for the free, a melting pot, and the greatest nation on the planet.

But in practice, we're continually fucking up. We need to be better.

The US is technically a nation of traitors that didn't want to pay taxes and will fuck over anyone or anything as long as they can make a few dollars.

They've tried to create a nation based on a codified constitution - to protect its citizenry and to say "this is who we are". They tie themselves in knots trying to get round a church and state separation - desperate to be accepted and "right". They've tried to mash disparate groups of people together into a melting pot and then look confused when it blows up in their faces. The US is the boldest experiment of the past 1000 years. The idea, the desire is incredible. The reality could fuck up the world.
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Hicks233 posted...

The US is technically a nation of traitors that didn't want to pay taxes and will fuck over anyone or anything as long as they can make a few dollars.

They've tried to create a nation based on a codified constitution - to protect its citizenry and to say "this is who we are". They tie themselves in knots trying to get round a church and state separation - desperate to be accepted and "right". They've tried to mash disparate groups of people together into a melting pot and then look confused when it blows up in their faces. The US is the boldest experiment of the past 1000 years. The idea, the desire is incredible. The reality could fuck up the world.

And despite all of this, it still resulted in the most powerful nation the world has ever known and the leader of Western philosophy which is the greatest achievement in mankind's history.
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nicklebro posted...

Some people don't understand the difference between constructive criticism and hatred. See conservatives think that if you don't pretend America is perfect and never did anything wrong in history, then you're anti American.

Wait, you think conservatives believe the US is perfect and that they never did anything wrong? Thats dishonest. For sure, conservatives in general are nationalistic and like to think of their values as being ideal. But perfect? I think you might be thinking of some fringe element. And theres no way of avoiding Americas imperfect, brutal history because it constantly shows up in school lessons, documentaries, political speeches, etc. One could argue that maybe there should be even more emphasis placed on acknowledging these missteps, but to say conservatives think America is perfect and never did anything wrong in history is ridiculous.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

nicklebro posted...

Some people don't understand the difference between constructive criticism and hatred. See conservatives think that if you don't pretend America is perfect and never did anything wrong in history, then you're anti American.

Wait, you think conservatives believe the US is perfect and that they never did anything wrong? Thats dishonest. For sure, conservatives in general are nationalistic and like to think of their values as being ideal. But perfect? I think you might be thinking of some fringe element. And theres no way of avoiding Americas imperfect, brutal history because it constantly shows up in school lessons, documentaries, political speeches, etc. One could argue that maybe there should be even more emphasis placed on acknowledging these missteps, but to say conservatives think America is perfect and never did anything wrong in history is ridiculous.

Read my post again. Never even came close to saying conservatives think that the US is perfect. I said if you don't pretend it is perfect then you're considered anti American.

Read my post again but really pay attention to the words I used and the comparisons I brought up. It gets old seeing people say "so what you're saying is..." And then go on to say something that isn't even close to what I actually said.
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nicklebro posted...

Read my post again. Never even came close to saying conservatives think that the US is perfect. I said if you don't pretend it is perfect then you're considered anti American.

Read my post again but really pay attention to the words I used and the comparisons I brought up. It gets old seeing people say "so what you're saying is..." And then go on to say something that isn't even close to what I actually said.

Youre full of shit. You took a swipe at conservatives for whatever reason and then added in that liberals love America, while claiming that people need to pretend the nation and its history is perfect. No one fucking believes that. You used the words perfect and never did anything wrong. There are all kinds of historical events, both big and small, that both conservatives and liberals acknowledge as being damaging, bloody and unfortunate. Conservatives dont pretend or expect you to pretend that slavery never happened, for example. They dont pretend native tribes werent massacred or relocated. They dont pretend that civilians havent been killed in Afghanistan and other locations. What you will definitely see is conservatives (and liberals) arguing about what to do about it now, as in after the fact. What you will also see is voters arguing whether or not there was a better, more right way that things should have been handled. If youre afraid of having your views being misrepresented, then do us a favor and dont misrepresent other peoples views as well.
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Conservatives criticized obama for apologizing for some of our country's fuck ups. Criticizing America in any way will draw the ire from the right. I used Kaepernick's protest as an example of someone drawing attention to a major flaw our country has right now and he was completely lambasted by the right for it.

I'm sorry that I didn't word that sentiment in such a way to avoid hurting your feelings. I felt that most people here are mature and rational enough to know that when you make a comment about the left or the right, quite obviously you aren't referring to what every single person of that political affiliations thinks. Since there isn't one thing that every single liberals or conservative agrees on. But everything i just said is in fact a view held by a substantial number of conservatives.

It's why conservatives always try to claim the "Patriot" label and are the ones who are more likely to be claiming that the US is the greatest country on Earth even if they've never been anywhere else. Nationalism is a trait of the right as you said, and with nationalists you're going to get some irrational nationalists. The same ones who claim a black man protesting during the anthem for the treatment of other black people which is factually an issue in this country is deemed to be unpatriotic and all that other nonsense.

See this is the difference between us. I brought up something that is factually an aspect of conservatism in America, and you flat out lied about what I said. So if anyone is full of shit, it's the one person who is actually telling lies. Not the guy who didn't go out of his way to avoid triggering an aggro conservative.
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A lot of it is Americans thinking they are the center of the universe. Even anti-American sentiment follows along these lines, e.g. blaming everything in the world on America, bringing up America any time another country's problem is mentioned, talking about how America is now a third world country, etc.

It all lacks any semblance of genuine international perspective.
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Jealousy, which is the source of almost all left-wing resentment.
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nicklebro posted...

electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao
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Paper_Okami posted...

nicklebro posted...

electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao

I mean he's not wrong. What superpower was more benevolent? Certainly not the British Empire.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

nicklebro posted...

electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao

I mean he's not wrong. What superpower was more benevolent? Certainly not the British Empire.

People don't like to think before posting.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

nicklebro posted...

electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao

I mean he's not wrong. What superpower was more benevolent? Certainly not the British Empire.

There has never been a moral super power.
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Its a gimmick to make some people feel better.
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anti american sentiments tend to soar every time we have a republican in office. it was pretty much the same when we had w.
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Paper_Okami posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

nicklebro posted...

electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao

I mean he's not wrong. What superpower was more benevolent? Certainly not the British Empire.

There has never been a moral super power.

But of the super powers, America has been one of the closest to being moral. Right?

God... Can't believe I even too the time to respond to such a stupid post.
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nicklebro posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

nicklebro posted...

electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao

I mean he's not wrong. What superpower was more benevolent? Certainly not the British Empire.

There has never been a moral super power.

But of the super powers, America has been one of the closest to being moral. Right?

God... Can't believe I even too the time to respond to such a stupid post.

Lmao dumb fucking semantics. America has fucked up too much to be call moral the only dumb unthinking post is yours.
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Paper_Okami posted...

nicklebro posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

nicklebro posted...

electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao

I mean he's not wrong. What superpower was more benevolent? Certainly not the British Empire.

There has never been a moral super power.

But of the super powers, America has been one of the closest to being moral. Right?

God... Can't believe I even too the time to respond to such a stupid post.

Lmao dumb fucking semantics. America has fucked up too much to be call moral the only dumb unthinking post is yours.

Oh ok man sorry, you win bro.
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nicklebro posted...

Hicks233 posted...

The US is technically a nation of traitors that didn't want to pay taxes and will fuck over anyone or anything as long as they can make a few dollars.

They've tried to create a nation based on a codified constitution - to protect its citizenry and to say "this is who we are". They tie themselves in knots trying to get round a church and state separation - desperate to be accepted and "right". They've tried to mash disparate groups of people together into a melting pot and then look confused when it blows up in their faces. The US is the boldest experiment of the past 1000 years. The idea, the desire is incredible. The reality could fuck up the world.

And despite all of this, it still resulted in the most powerful nation the world has ever known and the leader of Western philosophy which is the greatest achievement in mankind's history.

Until the next one. That's the most concerning thing about the US. There is a worryingly common notion that it's too big to fall.

The leader of Western philosophy? The thing that the US leads in is rampant greed and pissing other nations off. They've raised it to an art form. The Roman Empire, British, French, Mongol Empires... they've all been eclipsed by the US's capability for fucking anything over for material wealth - and given (especially) the British Empire's myriad sins that's quite an achievement.

It's a nation that has built on the groundwork of the people that emigrated there then subsequently fought with itself between trying to define itself based on founders Christianity, revised Neo-con "Judeo-Christianity", secular inclusion and science. The nation doesn't really know what it is (which is understandable), what its identity is - only that it'll fall back on crying out "freedom" and patting itself on the back. It's the equivalent of a child that wants to do whatever pleases it and is in a position to get away with it. It's still growing up and learning what it is - its just frightening for the rest of the world that the most powerful influence is essentially a belligerent child - going on teenager.
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Hicks233 posted...

Until the next one. That's the most concerning thing about the US. There is a worryingly common notion that it's too big to fall.

The leader of Western philosophy? The thing that the US leads in is rampant greed and pissing other nations off. They've raised it to an art form. The Roman Empire, British, French, Mongol Empires... they've all been eclipsed by the US's capability for fucking anything over for material wealth - and given (especially) the British Empire's myriad sins that's quite an achievement.

It's a nation that has built on the groundwork of the people that emigrated there then subsequently fought with itself between trying to define itself based on founders Christianity, revised Neo-con "Judeo-Christianity", secular inclusion and science. The nation doesn't really know what it is (which is understandable), what its identity is - only that it'll fall back on crying out "freedom" and patting itself on the back. It's the equivalent of a child that wants to do whatever pleases it and is in a position to get away with it. It's still growing up and learning what it is - its just frightening for the rest of the world that the most powerful influence is essentially a belligerent child - going on teenager.

That's patently untrue. You need quite a few history lessons if you think America has been as quick to fuck over other people for greed as the British empire, let alone the Romans and Mongols. Seriously man, America obviously isn't a saintly nation by any means but to compare America to any of the empires you just mentioned is hilariously misinformed.
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Liberals hate their own country, Conservatives hate their own countrymen.
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Being the most moral super power is like being the most moral serial killer.
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Paper_Okami posted...

Being the most moral super power is like being the most moral serial killer.

Ok man great point you win bro good job.
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tremain07 posted...

Liberals hate their own country, Conservatives hate their own countrymen.

Centrists hate everything equally
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nicklebro posted...

Hicks233 posted...

Until the next one. That's the most concerning thing about the US. There is a worryingly common notion that it's too big to fall.

The leader of Western philosophy? The thing that the US leads in is rampant greed and pissing other nations off. They've raised it to an art form. The Roman Empire, British, French, Mongol Empires... they've all been eclipsed by the US's capability for fucking anything over for material wealth - and given (especially) the British Empire's myriad sins that's quite an achievement.

It's a nation that has built on the groundwork of the people that emigrated there then subsequently fought with itself between trying to define itself based on founders Christianity, revised Neo-con "Judeo-Christianity", secular inclusion and science. The nation doesn't really know what it is (which is understandable), what its identity is - only that it'll fall back on crying out "freedom" and patting itself on the back. It's the equivalent of a child that wants to do whatever pleases it and is in a position to get away with it. It's still growing up and learning what it is - its just frightening for the rest of the world that the most powerful influence is essentially a belligerent child - going on teenager.

That's patently untrue. You need quite a few history lessons if you think America has been as quick to fuck over other people for greed as the British empire, let alone the Romans and Mongols. Seriously man, America obviously isn't a saintly nation by any means but to compare America to any of the empires you just mentioned is hilariously misinformed.

They fucked the Middle-East - we have a share of the blame with Palestine though, fucked a number of South American nations and fucked East-Asia because they were terrified of Communism. The mess and arbitrary division of Africa and its peoples is an European legacy. The US hasn't had as much of an opportunity to fuck things up there - yet. Given the inroads China has made in African nations for influence and raw materials and the US's "interests" you can put money on it that China and the US will clash over it and Africa's nations get fucked some more.

The sheer disdain for people that the British Empire had, especially in regards to India and Ireland are disgraces. They may have attempted to install infrastructure but make no mistake, it wasn't an altruistic action, the British Empire absolutely looked out for its own "interests", same as the US now. The US seems determined to make the same stupid mistakes the British Empire did though, although now it is called "regime change". You learnt the worst from us then raised it to an art form.

The US ushered in the Atomic age and unleashed the most powerful weapon in history on others, turned a blind eye to Nazi German scientists actions as long as they could get a scientific leg up, spread like an STD across the world - all so they could "protect their interests" then cries about freedom and being a beacon of hope - only so far as it fits within their "interests".

The threat of the Soviet Union was real. But fuck me... the US roles in then you know there's going to be trouble.

If the US cares so much about "freedom", fuck off and let people be free. But it won't, will it? Because that would be against its "interests". I don't know if an isolationist US would be a good thing or not but a nation with the influence and power that the US has and a disregard for history or long term consequences doesn't bode well for the world.
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Hicks233 posted...

nicklebro posted...

Hicks233 posted...

The US is technically a nation of traitors that didn't want to pay taxes and will fuck over anyone or anything as long as they can make a few dollars.

They've tried to create a nation based on a codified constitution - to protect its citizenry and to say "this is who we are". They tie themselves in knots trying to get round a church and state separation - desperate to be accepted and "right". They've tried to mash disparate groups of people together into a melting pot and then look confused when it blows up in their faces. The US is the boldest experiment of the past 1000 years. The idea, the desire is incredible. The reality could fuck up the world.

And despite all of this, it still resulted in the most powerful nation the world has ever known and the leader of Western philosophy which is the greatest achievement in mankind's history.

Until the next one. That's the most concerning thing about the US. There is a worryingly common notion that it's too big to fall.

The leader of Western philosophy? The thing that the US leads in is rampant greed and pissing other nations off. They've raised it to an art form. The Roman Empire, British, French, Mongol Empires... they've all been eclipsed by the US's capability for fucking anything over for material wealth - and given (especially) the British Empire's myriad sins that's quite an achievement.

It's a nation that has built on the groundwork of the people that emigrated there then subsequently fought with itself between trying to define itself based on founders Christianity, revised Neo-con "Judeo-Christianity", secular inclusion and science. The nation doesn't really know what it is (which is understandable), what its identity is - only that it'll fall back on crying out "freedom" and patting itself on the back. It's the equivalent of a child that wants to do whatever pleases it and is in a position to get away with it. It's still growing up and learning what it is - its just frightening for the rest of the world that the most powerful influence is essentially a belligerent child - going on teenager.

Exactly. I think this is a colony's/new country's problem for the most part, not only American. But I pretty much agree with what you've said.

I think America = materialism. Take materialism out of the equation, and America is not a civilization anymore. Its ideology is capitalism. America lacks a spiritual component, a strong identity that defined Western culture some centuries ago. It can't be a strong leadership for the West, and this is why the West is falling apart. It is so clear to me that America's religion is money, and not Christianity, as much as other people like to think otherwise.

If anyone here likes Freud, I think America is the ID of the world. Take a spiritual system based on the super-ego, and leave this dog eat dog ID-driven business in its place.
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