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WalkingLobsters
01/25/18 10:15:11 PM
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if that were true, then it wouldn't be against the law to do drugs or commit suicide.
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averagejoel
01/25/18 10:19:18 PM
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which is a significant part of the reason why most, if not all drugs, should be legal

admittedly I haven't done much reading about suicide, but I'm certainly open to the idea of it being legal - legality definitely doesn't seem to be a very good deterrent
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A_Good_Boy
01/25/18 10:19:56 PM
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You're acting as if the argument is only used exclusively for abortion.
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Teddytalks
01/25/18 10:20:48 PM
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Just argued about this recently. It up to a person's views, if they believe so, then it is so.
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lilORANG
01/25/18 10:20:50 PM
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it also conveniently ignores the body of the fetus.
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prince_leo
01/25/18 10:20:59 PM
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I mean, we let dead people keep their life-saving organs cause they didn't want to share despite not needing them anymore
the bodily autonomy argument forabortion is pretty consistent
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TheVipaGTS
01/25/18 10:21:16 PM
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should people not be allowed to get tattoos by this logic then, tc?
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r4X0r
01/25/18 10:21:24 PM
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Liberals: "The government has no right over whether or not I have an abortion!"
Also liberals: "The government needs to pay for my abortion!"
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Darklit_Minuet
01/25/18 10:23:16 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
if that were true, then it wouldn't be against the law to do drugs or commit suicide.

Neither of those things should be against the law
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/25/18 10:23:34 PM
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Because abortion is about conflicting rights and that argument is about precedent.

The woman's agency and autonomy over her body doesn't end the moment she gets pregnant. She already has the right to have a doctor mess around in her uterus, to take plan B, etc etc etc;
the question is if she maintains her rights after conception. And the obvious answer is yes.
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Lost_All_Senses
01/25/18 10:24:11 PM
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All drugs should not ne legal. That would cause so much more regret and crime. People aren't smart enough for all drugs to be legal. And drugs like coke & meth don't just effect the user. They directly effect everyone around that person when they aren't mature enough for it not to
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Ultima Dragon
01/25/18 10:24:44 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Liberals: "The government has no right over whether or not I have an abortion!"
Also liberals: "The government needs to pay for my abortion!"


"Abortion is a basic human right!"
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Omnislasher
01/25/18 10:24:45 PM
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it shouldn't be against the law to do drugs or commit suicide
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Darklit_Minuet
01/25/18 10:25:52 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
All drugs should not ne legal. That would cause so much more regret and crime. People aren't smart enough for all drugs to be legal. And drugs like coke & meth don't just effect the user. They directly effect everyone around that person when they aren't mature enough for it not to

It only causes crime because of the black market.

Give everyone all the drugs they want at an affordable price, they won't need to commit crimes to acquire them
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WalkingLobsters
01/25/18 10:26:58 PM
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lol people really believe we should legalize all drugs.

lmao.

What's next, self-diagnosis and buying your own medications without a doctor's prescription or even visiting a doctor? That'll surely end well.
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Dragonblade01
01/25/18 10:28:44 PM
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The platitude itself isn't much of an argument, but it forms part of a more solid one.
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LinksLiege
01/25/18 10:31:58 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
if that were true, then it wouldn't be against the law to do drugs or commit suicide.

Those should be allowable too.
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Omnislasher
01/25/18 10:33:21 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
lol people really believe we should legalize all drugs.


sure do.
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WalkingLobsters
01/25/18 10:34:54 PM
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Omnislasher posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
lol people really believe we should legalize all drugs.


sure do.

nice job ignoring the rest of my post.

Everyday I lose an increasing amount of respect for CE.
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Antifar
01/25/18 10:35:22 PM
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averagejoel posted...
admittedly I haven't done much reading about suicide, but I'm certainly open to the idea of it being legal - legality definitely doesn't seem to be a very good deterrent

As I understand it, it's not intended as a deterrent but rather a justification for legal intervention.
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Omnislasher
01/25/18 10:35:32 PM
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that's nice.

you can fuck off.
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dave_is_slick
01/25/18 10:37:46 PM
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lilORANG posted...
it also conveniently ignores the body of the fetus.

Their body is the host. If the host don't want it, the host can kick it out.
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A_Good_Boy
01/25/18 10:38:39 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
Omnislasher posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
lol people really believe we should legalize all drugs.


sure do.

nice job ignoring the rest of my post.

Everyday I lose an increasing amount of respect for CE.

Which posts did you respond to?
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GATTJT
01/25/18 10:39:02 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
if that were true, then it wouldn't be against the law to do drugs or commit suicide.

The Declaration of Independence states that "all men are created equal" and yet that didn't stop America from having laws to treat blacks as inferior to whites. Statements being true does not mean that laws that conflict with the statement don't exist.
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dave_is_slick
01/25/18 10:39:26 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
Omnislasher posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
lol people really believe we should legalize all drugs.


sure do.

nice job ignoring the rest of my post.

Everyday I lose an increasing amount of respect for CE.

You posted bullshit, don't cry that it wasn't entertained.
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Antifar
01/25/18 10:41:07 PM
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This is my favorite genre of shit

Person A: "If X were true, then that would mean Y!"
Everyone: "Yeah, we're pretty much fine with Y. That is...not a problem for us."
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Omnislasher
01/25/18 10:42:48 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Liberals: "The government has no right over whether or not I have an abortion!"
Also liberals: "The government needs to pay for my abortion!"


it's a medical public service, so yup
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WalkingLobsters
01/25/18 10:43:38 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
Omnislasher posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
lol people really believe we should legalize all drugs.


sure do.

nice job ignoring the rest of my post.

Everyday I lose an increasing amount of respect for CE.

You posted bullshit, don't cry that it wasn't entertained.

lol. Just because you guys lack foresight and don't understand slippery slopes isn't my fault.
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dave_is_slick
01/25/18 10:44:16 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
Omnislasher posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
lol people really believe we should legalize all drugs.


sure do.

nice job ignoring the rest of my post.

Everyday I lose an increasing amount of respect for CE.

You posted bullshit, don't cry that it wasn't entertained.

lol. Just because you guys lack foresight and don't understand slippery slopes isn't my fault.

You have no sense of self-awareness.
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A_Good_Boy
01/25/18 10:44:21 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
Omnislasher posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
lol people really believe we should legalize all drugs.


sure do.

nice job ignoring the rest of my post.

Everyday I lose an increasing amount of respect for CE.

You posted bullshit, don't cry that it wasn't entertained.

lol. Just because you guys lack foresight and don't understand slippery slopes isn't my fault.

Slippery slope is a logical fallacy. It's understood just fine.
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WalkingLobsters
01/25/18 10:44:47 PM
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Antifar posted...
This is my favorite genre of shit

Person A: "If X were true, then that would mean Y!"
Everyone: "Yeah, we're pretty much fine with Y. That is...not a problem for us."

well if you knew how to think logically, then they'd be fighting for Y first, and then fighting for X.

But of course people can't think logically.
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Omnislasher
01/25/18 10:45:13 PM
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that's right, tc

no one can think logically except you
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Lost_All_Senses
01/25/18 10:45:34 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
All drugs should not ne legal. That would cause so much more regret and crime. People aren't smart enough for all drugs to be legal. And drugs like coke & meth don't just effect the user. They directly effect everyone around that person when they aren't mature enough for it not to

It only causes crime because of the black market.

Give everyone all the drugs they want at an affordable price, they won't need to commit crimes to acquire them


Are you around people who do drugs? Cause what you just said is fuckin ridiculous. Certain drugs severely effect a persons ability to do critical thinking. Crimes to obtain drugs are not 100% of the crimes surrounding drugs. That's silly
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WalkingLobsters
01/25/18 10:46:39 PM
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Omnislasher posted...
that's right, tc

no one can think logically except you

spoken like a true drug addict.
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Omnislasher
01/25/18 10:48:08 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...

XD
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LJRENEGADE
01/25/18 10:51:30 PM
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lilORANG posted...
it also conveniently ignores the body of the fetus.

Yeah, I'm not strongly for or against abortion, but I don't like this argument because its not just the woman's body, it effects the unborn child too and potentially the father if he wants it.
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Hexenherz
01/25/18 10:51:56 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Liberals: "The government has no right over whether or not I have an abortion!"
Also liberals: "The government needs to pay for my abortion!"


This is probably the shortest sighted argument I've ever seen.
If you don't like the concept of welfare, wouldn't you rather have the government fund a one time operation than to pay for 18+ years of welfare?
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Hinakuluiau
01/25/18 10:52:52 PM
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LJRENEGADE posted...
Yeah, I'm not strongly for or against abortion, but I don't like this argument because its not just the woman's body, it effects the unborn child too and potentially the father if he wants it.

You should be for mandatory blood donations and organ donations then to be consistent.
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legendary_zell
01/25/18 10:53:07 PM
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Antifar posted...
This is my favorite genre of shit

Person A: "If X were true, then that would mean Y!"
Everyone: "Yeah, we're pretty much fine with Y. That is...not a problem for us."

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LJRENEGADE
01/25/18 10:57:30 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
LJRENEGADE posted...
Yeah, I'm not strongly for or against abortion, but I don't like this argument because its not just the woman's body, it effects the unborn child too and potentially the father if he wants it.

You should be for mandatory blood donations and organ donations then to be consistent.

Why? An abortion would directly effect the unborn child whereas not donating blood is more like not doing anything at all. Besides, I'm just saying I don't like the "her body her rules" for this specific argument, like I said I'm not strongly for or against abortion.

And besides, it'd be a huge pain in the ass to make sure everyone is eligible to give blood when you have people who don't want to and you're forcing them.
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Dragonblade01
01/25/18 10:58:20 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
Antifar posted...
This is my favorite genre of shit

Person A: "If X were true, then that would mean Y!"
Everyone: "Yeah, we're pretty much fine with Y. That is...not a problem for us."

well if you knew how to think logically, then they'd be fighting for Y first, and then fighting for X.

But of course people can't think logically.

Uh, that's not how logic works.
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WalkingLobsters
01/25/18 10:59:58 PM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
Antifar posted...
This is my favorite genre of shit

Person A: "If X were true, then that would mean Y!"
Everyone: "Yeah, we're pretty much fine with Y. That is...not a problem for us."

well if you knew how to think logically, then they'd be fighting for Y first, and then fighting for X.

But of course people can't think logically.

Uh, that's not how logic works.

Uh, yeah it is.

If you're going to use an argument that's supposed to be established in its legality, then make sure it's actually legal.
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sktgamer_13dude
01/25/18 11:02:25 PM
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How do people advocate for controlling peoples lives yet also advocate for small government?


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Bio1590
01/25/18 11:03:13 PM
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LJRENEGADE posted...
Hinakuluiau posted...
LJRENEGADE posted...
Yeah, I'm not strongly for or against abortion, but I don't like this argument because its not just the woman's body, it effects the unborn child too and potentially the father if he wants it.

You should be for mandatory blood donations and organ donations then to be consistent.

Why? An abortion would directly effect the unborn child whereas not donating blood is more like not doing anything at all. Besides, I'm just saying I don't like the "her body her rules" for this specific argument, like I said I'm not strongly for or against abortion.

And besides, it'd be a huge pain in the ass to make sure everyone is eligible to give blood when you have people who don't want to and you're forcing them.

But not donating blood or organs directly affects an actual born person
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Dragonblade01
01/25/18 11:08:29 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
Antifar posted...
This is my favorite genre of shit

Person A: "If X were true, then that would mean Y!"
Everyone: "Yeah, we're pretty much fine with Y. That is...not a problem for us."

well if you knew how to think logically, then they'd be fighting for Y first, and then fighting for X.

But of course people can't think logically.

Uh, that's not how logic works.

Uh, yeah it is.

If you're going to use an argument that's supposed to be established in its legality, then make sure it's actually legal.

You said that they should be fighting for Y first, then X. Nothing in logic dictates that it must be the case that someone who uses that argument for abortion should first use it for recreational drug legalization.

They can happen in either order or even parallel.
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mattnd2007
01/25/18 11:11:41 PM
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abortion topic. Surely this will go well
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LJRENEGADE
01/25/18 11:13:09 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
But not donating blood or organs directly affects an actual born person

Doing nothing isn't directly doing something to somebody at all. And if we're forcing everyone to donate blood, wouldn't it be way harder to make sure everyone's blood is safe?
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ChromaticAngel
01/25/18 11:15:10 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
if that were true, then it wouldn't be against the law to do drugs or commit suicide.

It shouldn't be.
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creativerealms
01/25/18 11:18:29 PM
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lilORANG posted...
it also conveniently ignores the body of the fetus.

When most abortions happen it doesn't have a body.
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