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Solar_Crimson
01/23/18 4:13:22 PM
#152:


Looked gf posted...
No

DK9292 posted...
Same way how professional chess players aren't athletes

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Sami1000
01/23/18 4:20:06 PM
#153:


Lol no. As much some mouse rubbers wants to be one. If Esports ever became olympic event i would die inside, and sure af wouldn't watch the olympics.
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Lorenzo_2003
01/23/18 4:20:28 PM
#154:


No.

I've competed in local and online video game tournaments, so I'm a huge supporter of so-called eSports, but I still do not consider players as athletes.
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theAteam
01/23/18 4:22:40 PM
#155:


They are competitors

Like pro chess players
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Garioshi
01/23/18 4:56:00 PM
#156:


To everyone who says that competitive gaming is not a physical activity, you should all be able to consistently multishine and waveshine in Melee on your first attempt with absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Esports have an extremely high ceiling on technical skill that can't be brushed aside as not "physical" just because they require fine motor skills instead of gross ones.
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KingCrabCake
01/23/18 4:56:23 PM
#157:


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ThePrinceFish
01/23/18 4:58:05 PM
#158:


Garioshi posted...
To everyone who says that competitive gaming is not a physical activity, you should all be able to consistently multishine and waveshine in Melee on your first attempt with absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Esports have an extremely high ceiling on technical skill that can't be brushed aside as not "physical".

Blah blah blah finger dexterity is different than doing an actual physical activity.
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darkjedilink
01/23/18 5:00:09 PM
#159:


Garioshi posted...
To everyone who says that competitive gaming is not a physical activity, you should all be able to consistently multishine and waveshine in Melee on your first attempt with absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Esports have an extremely high ceiling on technical skill that can't be brushed aside as not "physical" just because they require fine motor skills instead of gross ones.

Is waveshining as physically intensive as playing catch with your dad?
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/23/18 5:03:25 PM
#160:


Garioshi posted...
To everyone who says that competitive gaming is not a physical activity, you should all be able to consistently multishine and waveshine in Melee on your first attempt with absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Esports have an extremely high ceiling on technical skill that can't be brushed aside as not "physical" just because they require fine motor skills instead of gross ones.

I agree except Melee isn't that difficult. Play a real fighting game and try to hit the high level execution shit, it can be brutal.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 5:05:17 PM
#161:


ThePrinceFish posted...
Garioshi posted...
To everyone who says that competitive gaming is not a physical activity, you should all be able to consistently multishine and waveshine in Melee on your first attempt with absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Esports have an extremely high ceiling on technical skill that can't be brushed aside as not "physical".

Blah blah blah finger dexterity is different than doing an actual physical activity.

It's still physical. It's not mental by any stretch of the imagination. Chess, for example, is a purely mental game. If you want to do something, there is no physical challenge in executing it. In "physical" sports, doing something successfully is contingent on execution and you can train through repetition to make yourself more likely to succeed in carrying out a plan. The exact same, however, applies to eSports. The only difference is that fine motor skills are used for execution instead of gross motor skills. The method of execution is still strictly physical, which falls under the category of "physical activity".
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Darmik
01/23/18 5:05:59 PM
#162:


Garioshi posted...
It's still physical. It's not mental by any stretch of the imagination. Chess, for example, is a purely mental game. If you want to do something, there is no physical challenge in executing it. In "physical" sports, doing something successfully is contingent on execution and you can train through repetition to make yourself more likely to succeed in carrying out a plan. The exact same, however, applies to eSports. The only difference is that fine motor skills are used for execution instead of gross motor skills. The method of execution is still strictly physical, which falls under the category of "physical activity".


Is a piano player an athlete?
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Garioshi
01/23/18 5:06:49 PM
#163:


darkjedilink posted...
Garioshi posted...
To everyone who says that competitive gaming is not a physical activity, you should all be able to consistently multishine and waveshine in Melee on your first attempt with absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Esports have an extremely high ceiling on technical skill that can't be brushed aside as not "physical" just because they require fine motor skills instead of gross ones.

Is waveshining as physically intensive as playing catch with your dad?

The question you should be asking is, "Is waveshining more physically intensive than throwing or catching a ball?" to which the answer is yes.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 5:07:25 PM
#164:


Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
It's still physical. It's not mental by any stretch of the imagination. Chess, for example, is a purely mental game. If you want to do something, there is no physical challenge in executing it. In "physical" sports, doing something successfully is contingent on execution and you can train through repetition to make yourself more likely to succeed in carrying out a plan. The exact same, however, applies to eSports. The only difference is that fine motor skills are used for execution instead of gross motor skills. The method of execution is still strictly physical, which falls under the category of "physical activity".


Is a piano player an athlete?

Piano players don't compete.
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Darmik
01/23/18 5:10:51 PM
#165:


Garioshi posted...
Piano players don't compete.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Chopin_Piano_Competition
http://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/daniel-steibelt/

It was quickly agreed among the city's musical patrons that Steibelt should compete against Beethoven in an improvisation contest.

What is an improvisation contest?

These improvisation contests were a popular form of entertainment among Vienna's aristocracy. One nobleman would support one virtuoso pianist, another would support the other. In the salon of one of the noblemen, the two pianists would compete with each other, each setting the other a tune to improvise on.

The playing would go back and forth, increasing in intensity, until a winner was declared. In his early years in Vienna, Beethoven was made to take on the city's best talent and he quickly saw them off.


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Garioshi
01/23/18 5:11:54 PM
#166:


Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
Piano players don't compete.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Chopin_Piano_Competition
http://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/daniel-steibelt/

It was quickly agreed among the city's musical patrons that Steibelt should compete against Beethoven in an improvisation contest.

What is an improvisation contest?

These improvisation contests were a popular form of entertainment among Vienna's aristocracy. One nobleman would support one virtuoso pianist, another would support the other. In the salon of one of the noblemen, the two pianists would compete with each other, each setting the other a tune to improvise on.

The playing would go back and forth, increasing in intensity, until a winner was declared. In his early years in Vienna, Beethoven was made to take on the city's best talent and he quickly saw them off.


?

Do all piano players play piano for the purpose of placing well in the International Chopin Piano Competition?
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Darmik
01/23/18 5:12:59 PM
#167:


Garioshi posted...
Do all piano players play piano for the purpose of placing well in the International Chopin Piano Competition?


Do all gamers play video games to enter esport tournaments?
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Garioshi
01/23/18 5:15:21 PM
#168:


Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
Do all piano players play piano for the purpose of placing well in the International Chopin Piano Competition?


Do all gamers play video games to enter esport tournaments?

No, that's why we classify competitive gamers as separate from regular gamers.
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Darmik
01/23/18 5:23:29 PM
#169:


Garioshi posted...
No, that's why we classify competitive gamers as separate from regular gamers.


So? A pianist who wins the Chopin Piano Competition is gonna be considered a pro while someone who takes piano recitals at school isn't.

That doesn't mean either of them are athletes. You don't need to be physically fit to play video games or play the piano. Your body build doesn't have an impact at all. Athletes are physically fit people or are physically trained to play a specific sport.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 5:35:40 PM
#170:


Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
No, that's why we classify competitive gamers as separate from regular gamers.


So? A pianist who wins the Chopin Piano Competition is gonna be considered a pro while someone who takes piano recitals at school isn't.

That doesn't mean either of them are athletes. You don't need to be physically fit to play video games or play the piano. Your body build doesn't have an impact at all. Athletes are physically fit people or are physically trained to play a specific sport.

That's completely irrelevant to what's being discussed.

That's your own definition. The definition that most dictionaries will give you is "a person who is proficient in sports or other physical activities". eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities, and I would define them as sports. Just because they're not based on strength or speed or any other attribute doesn't mean they're not physical.
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HylianFox
01/23/18 5:42:47 PM
#171:


if "mathletes" are a thing, then sure why not
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HylianFox
01/23/18 5:43:40 PM
#172:


Darmik posted...
You don't need to be physically fit to play video games or play the piano.

What if you have malformed hands?
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Darmik
01/23/18 5:44:58 PM
#173:


Garioshi posted...
eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities


You consider playing video games to be a physical activity?
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/23/18 5:46:45 PM
#174:


Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities


You consider playing video games to be a physical activity?

at the top level of skill, yeah definitely

it's strenuous
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Garioshi
01/23/18 5:50:10 PM
#175:


Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities


You consider playing video games to be a physical activity?

At the top level, absolutely.
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masticatingman
01/23/18 5:50:25 PM
#176:


Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities


You consider playing video games to be a physical activity?


You should read about pro gamers and tendinitis. Its a result of the physicality of playing so much.
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Darmik
01/23/18 5:51:16 PM
#177:


yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities


You consider playing video games to be a physical activity?

at the top level of skill, yeah definitely

it's strenuous


lol. I guess Data Entry at work is a physical activity too then.
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weapon_d00d816
01/23/18 5:52:31 PM
#178:


No, athletes do physical activities.
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LRodC
01/23/18 5:54:11 PM
#179:


Absolutely not.
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Darmik
01/23/18 5:56:18 PM
#180:


masticatingman posted...
Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities


You consider playing video games to be a physical activity?


You should read about pro gamers and tendinitis. Its a result of the physicality of playing so much.


I got a hand injury from my work once too from typing. Doesn't make my work a physical activity.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 5:57:09 PM
#181:


Darmik posted...
masticatingman posted...
Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities


You consider playing video games to be a physical activity?


You should read about pro gamers and tendinitis. Its a result of the physicality of playing so much.


I got a hand injury from my work once too from typing. Doesn't make my work a physical activity.

If it wasn't physical, you wouldn't have gotten injured.
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masticatingman
01/23/18 6:02:11 PM
#182:


Darmik posted...
masticatingman posted...
Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
eSports, as I'm sure you know, are physical activities


You consider playing video games to be a physical activity?


You should read about pro gamers and tendinitis. Its a result of the physicality of playing so much.


I got a hand injury from my work once too from typing. Doesn't make my work a physical activity.


Your work isnt a competitive game that fans will pay to see. Gonna take a wild guess on that one.
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Darmik
01/23/18 6:04:32 PM
#183:


Garioshi posted...
If it wasn't physical, you wouldn't have gotten injured.


I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

masticatingman posted...
Your work isnt a competitive game that fans will pay to see.


I don't know what your point is here. I never said it was. People aren't paying to see pro gamers get carpel tunnel.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 6:06:37 PM
#184:


Darmik posted...
I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

please tell me why it isn't a physical activity
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/23/18 6:07:34 PM
#185:


Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

please tell me why it isn't a physical activity

how do the keys get pressed if not physically?
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Garioshi
01/23/18 6:08:03 PM
#186:


yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

please tell me why it isn't a physical activity

how do the keys get pressed if not physically?

my point exactly
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Darmik
01/23/18 6:09:28 PM
#187:


Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

please tell me why it isn't a physical activity


https://www.hhs.gov/fitness/be-active/physical-activity-guidelines-for-americans/index.html

Have at it

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
how do the keys get pressed if not physically?


A physical action and a physical activity aren't the same thing
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Garioshi
01/23/18 6:12:09 PM
#189:


Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

please tell me why it isn't a physical activity


https://www.hhs.gov/fitness/be-active/physical-activity-guidelines-for-americans/index.html

Have at it

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
how do the keys get pressed if not physically?


A physical action and a physical activity aren't the same thing

in the very first paragraph of the article you linked
"Physical activity is any form of exercise or movement of the body that uses energy."
energy is "used" when a force is exerted to move a mass a distance
moving your finger to hit a key requires a force and is therefore using energy
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/23/18 6:12:33 PM
#190:


activity
aktivd/Submit
noun
1.
the condition in which things are happening or being done.
"there has been a sustained level of activity in the economy"
2.
a thing that a person or group does or has done.
"the firm's marketing activities"
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darkjedilink
01/23/18 6:14:32 PM
#191:


Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

please tell me why it isn't a physical activity


https://www.hhs.gov/fitness/be-active/physical-activity-guidelines-for-americans/index.html

Have at it

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
how do the keys get pressed if not physically?


A physical action and a physical activity aren't the same thing

in the very first paragraph of the article you linked
"Physical activity is any form of exercise or movement of the body that uses energy."
energy is "used" when a force is exerted to move a mass a distance
moving your finger to hit a key requires a force and is therefore using energy

Then how come doctors literally never recommend video games as a physical activity?
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Yomi
01/23/18 6:15:09 PM
#192:


In my eyes, yes, they are.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 6:15:28 PM
#193:


darkjedilink posted...
Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

please tell me why it isn't a physical activity


https://www.hhs.gov/fitness/be-active/physical-activity-guidelines-for-americans/index.html

Have at it

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
how do the keys get pressed if not physically?


A physical action and a physical activity aren't the same thing

in the very first paragraph of the article you linked
"Physical activity is any form of exercise or movement of the body that uses energy."
energy is "used" when a force is exerted to move a mass a distance
moving your finger to hit a key requires a force and is therefore using energy

Then how come doctors literally never recommend video games as a physical activity?

it doesn't matter because by his own definition video games are physical activity
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belteshazzar
01/23/18 6:16:14 PM
#194:


no
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R_Jackal
01/23/18 6:17:20 PM
#195:


Nope, I don't. Been a gamer a long time, outside of some crazy ass DDR players, I'd never consider anything in video games physically taxing.

I mean, they require skill, but ultimately... They're just an entertainment medium that is both fun to watch and play, so people are cashing in on that.
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Darmik
01/23/18 6:21:13 PM
#196:


I'm gonna make a guess that typing and playing games doesn't use much energy at all. Which is why it isn't considered a physical activity by any medical professional.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 6:23:45 PM
#197:


Darmik posted...
I'm gonna make a guess that typing and playing games doesn't use much energy at all. Which is why it isn't considered a physical activity by any medical professional.

it's considered physical activity by you, so you have to admit that video games and therefore esports are physical activity and therefore esports are sports and therefore pro gamers are athletes
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darkjedilink
01/23/18 6:25:19 PM
#198:


Garioshi posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
Garioshi posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't think I'll see the day where typing on a keyboard is considered a physical activity. Often these injuries are from repetitive motions and strain anyway. Not exactly pushing your physical limits.

please tell me why it isn't a physical activity


https://www.hhs.gov/fitness/be-active/physical-activity-guidelines-for-americans/index.html

Have at it

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
how do the keys get pressed if not physically?


A physical action and a physical activity aren't the same thing

in the very first paragraph of the article you linked
"Physical activity is any form of exercise or movement of the body that uses energy."
energy is "used" when a force is exerted to move a mass a distance
moving your finger to hit a key requires a force and is therefore using energy

Then how come doctors literally never recommend video games as a physical activity?

it doesn't matter because by his own definition video games are physical activity

It's actually considered sedentary.
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Darmik
01/23/18 6:26:09 PM
#199:


Garioshi posted...
it's considered physical activity by you


No it isn't.

Garioshi posted...
so you have to admit that video games and therefore esports are physical activity and therefore esports are sports and therefore pro gamers are athletes


I guess I'm a professional athlete because I can get out of bed every morning with this logic.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 6:26:29 PM
#200:


darkjedilink posted...
It's actually considered sedentary.

Not by the definition that he provided.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 6:27:39 PM
#201:


Darmik posted...
No it isn't.

You gave me a definition of physical activity that includes playing video games, so yes, you do.
Darmik posted...
I guess I'm a professional athlete because I can get out of bed every morning with this logic.

Getting out of bed is not a sport.
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Darmik
01/23/18 6:29:06 PM
#202:


Garioshi posted...
You gave me a definition of physical activity that includes playing video games,


No I didn't.

Garioshi posted...
Getting out of bed is not a sport.


It's a physical activity going by your logic though right? I'm pretty pro at it. So I guess that makes me an athlete. An athlete doesn't have to be competitive.
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