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scorpion41 01/22/18 11:08:54 PM #152:	knuxnole posted... scorpion41 posted... loafy013 posted... scorpion41 posted... loafy013 posted... I've never seen the argument for $15-20 as the base, normally I've seen $12-15. Which makes sense because if minimum wage had increased with cost of living, that is around where it would be today. That would make the minimum wage the same as some skilled jobs. Flipping a burger is not a $12-15 an hour job I take it you have never worked a fast food or retail job, so have no idea what it actually entails. If it is such an easy, overpaid job, why aren't you doing it so you too can live the sweet life. 1) Its an unskilled job. Anyone can do it, which is why its mainly done by high schoolers. 2) I have a real job. 3) I never said overpaid because its still less than $8 an hour. I said its not worth paying $12-15 an hour for. High schoolers AND adults who can't do any skills or don't have any, like many of the adults you see at McDonalds and Burger King. And me, who's goal is to be at a minimum wage job fo life! Minimum wage jobs ARE real jobs and for a lot of people, the only jobs capable of getting!!!! Not having job skills should not be encouraged. Adults should not be bottom-runging with teenagers in a fast food joint. The minimum wage should be left alone as an incentive for capable individuals to get off their bum ass and earn a real job. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:894607503] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote>I've never seen the argument for $15-20 as the base, normally I've seen $12-15. Which makes sense because if minimum wage had increased with cost of living, that is around where it would be today.</quote> That would make the minimum wage the same as some skilled jobs. Flipping a burger is not a $12-15 an hour job</quote> I take it you have never worked a fast food or retail job, so have no idea what it actually entails. If it is such an easy, overpaid job, why aren't you doing it so you too can live the sweet life.</quote> 1) Its an unskilled job. Anyone can do it, which is why its mainly done by high schoolers. 2) I have a real job. 3) I never said overpaid because its still less than $8 an hour. I said its not worth paying $12-15 an hour for.</quote> High schoolers AND adults who can't do any skills or don't have any, like many of the adults you see at McDonalds and Burger King. And me, who's goal is to be at a minimum wage job fo life! Minimum wage jobs ARE real jobs and for a lot of people, the only jobs capable of getting!!!!</quote> Not having job skills should not be encouraged. Adults should not be bottom-runging with teenagers in a fast food joint. The minimum wage should be left alone as an incentive for capable individuals to get off their bum ass and earn a real job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperShake666 01/22/18 11:12:31 PM #153:	Patty_Fleur posted... They dont understand that if you want more and better jobs, give the wealthy and rich tax breaks. They are the job creators. They take their stuff to China and places like that if you ask for too much. --- "Look, if I was good at math, I wouldn't be on CE at 2:00 the morning clicking on topics about porn stars ****ing horses." - May 2017, Dash_Harber <cite>SuperShake666 posted [p:894607750] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patty_Fleur posted...</cite> <quote>They dont understand that if you want more and better jobs, give the wealthy and rich tax breaks. They are the job creators. They take their stuff to China and places like that if you ask for too much.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/22/18 11:12:45 PM #154:	scorpion41 posted... knuxnole posted... scorpion41 posted... loafy013 posted... scorpion41 posted... loafy013 posted... I've never seen the argument for $15-20 as the base, normally I've seen $12-15. Which makes sense because if minimum wage had increased with cost of living, that is around where it would be today. That would make the minimum wage the same as some skilled jobs. Flipping a burger is not a $12-15 an hour job I take it you have never worked a fast food or retail job, so have no idea what it actually entails. If it is such an easy, overpaid job, why aren't you doing it so you too can live the sweet life. 1) Its an unskilled job. Anyone can do it, which is why its mainly done by high schoolers. 2) I have a real job. 3) I never said overpaid because its still less than $8 an hour. I said its not worth paying $12-15 an hour for. High schoolers AND adults who can't do any skills or don't have any, like many of the adults you see at McDonalds and Burger King. And me, who's goal is to be at a minimum wage job fo life! Minimum wage jobs ARE real jobs and for a lot of people, the only jobs capable of getting!!!! Not having job skills should not be encouraged. Adults should not be bottom-runging with teenagers in a fast food joint. The minimum wage should be left alone as an incentive for capable individuals to get off their bum ass and earn a real job. It is a real job. Have you worked it before? You can easily get fired if you aren't up to par! And lots of places have adults working side by side with teenagers. Like I said, a LOT of adults are there for 20+ years, and have senior positions. For example, at this one local grocery store, there are baggers for 15+ years, a stocker in his 50s, and a single mother of 4 kids who works register. You're acting like everyone is capable of working jobs and getting skills, whereas that is NOWHERE close to reality. I bet you'll say most people can gain skills. I can't. --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894607762] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote>I've never seen the argument for $15-20 as the base, normally I've seen $12-15. Which makes sense because if minimum wage had increased with cost of living, that is around where it would be today.</quote> That would make the minimum wage the same as some skilled jobs. Flipping a burger is not a $12-15 an hour job</quote> I take it you have never worked a fast food or retail job, so have no idea what it actually entails. If it is such an easy, overpaid job, why aren't you doing it so you too can live the sweet life.</quote> 1) Its an unskilled job. Anyone can do it, which is why its mainly done by high schoolers. 2) I have a real job. 3) I never said overpaid because its still less than $8 an hour. I said its not worth paying $12-15 an hour for.</quote> High schoolers AND adults who can't do any skills or don't have any, like many of the adults you see at McDonalds and Burger King. And me, who's goal is to be at a minimum wage job fo life! Minimum wage jobs ARE real jobs and for a lot of people, the only jobs capable of getting!!!!</quote> Not having job skills should not be encouraged. Adults should not be bottom-runging with teenagers in a fast food joint. The minimum wage should be left alone as an incentive for capable individuals to get off their bum ass and earn a real job.</quote> It is a real job. Have you worked it before? You can easily get fired if you aren't up to par! And lots of places have adults working side by side with teenagers. Like I said, a LOT of adults are there for 20+ years, and have senior positions. For example, at this one local grocery store, there are baggers for 15+ years, a stocker in his 50s, and a single mother of 4 kids who works register. You're acting like everyone is capable of working jobs and getting skills, whereas that is NOWHERE close to reality. I bet you'll say most people can gain skills. I can't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 01/23/18 12:54:47 AM #155:	Annihilated posted... Makeveli_lives posted... Annihilated posted... Do you want mandatory raises for people who are working or just to the minimum wage across the board? If it's the former, all you would be doing is making one set of workers more expensive for doing the same work than another set of workers that would replace them. It's one thing to pay a senior employee more money because they're better at their job than the rest of the staff, it's another thing to pay them just because they've been doing the same thing for 5 years. The way I see it, more available jobs means more options to more people, and that gives employees more leverage. Turnover rate for "basic jobs" like fast food and super markets are pretty high, there's something to be said for someone who stays for 5 years. Besides even for skilled jobs, people get more money for simply being experienced all the time, why not do it for basic jobs? And yeah the tasks may be the same but its not just burger flipping. After 5 years they should know how to effectively handle difficult customers, power outages, how to deal with natural disasters, etc. Then it's just as I said. Such a case describes the former scenario I mentioned, in which the employee's seniority has intrinsic value and adds productivity compared to a new hire. High turnover is also a pretty good indicator that the employees are undervalued. If the employer has to spend time and resources recruiting, training, and filling positions while the business remains unproductive, then the wages must rise. It's not a question of obligation, but necessity for the business to survive or thrive. An employer DOES NOT and SHOULD NOT base their wages from any assumptions about their employee's financial needs or quality of life. As I mentioned in the case study in my last post, people can have a cornucopia of reasons for working a particular job or a particular wage. To assume their employees' social class is discriminatory and you can imagine all the problems that can arise from this line of thinking. It is fair for both the employer and employee to pay what the job is worth, no more and no less. then fast food workers would be making a hell of a lot more than $15 an hour --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:894613226] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Makeveli_lives posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote> Do you want mandatory raises for people who are working or just to the minimum wage across the board? If it's the former, all you would be doing is making one set of workers more expensive for doing the same work than another set of workers that would replace them. It's one thing to pay a senior employee more money because they're better at their job than the rest of the staff, it's another thing to pay them just because they've been doing the same thing for 5 years. The way I see it, more available jobs means more options to more people, and that gives employees more leverage. </quote> Turnover rate for "basic jobs" like fast food and super markets are pretty high, there's something to be said for someone who stays for 5 years. Besides even for skilled jobs, people get more money for simply being experienced all the time, why not do it for basic jobs? And yeah the tasks may be the same but its not just burger flipping. After 5 years they should know how to effectively handle difficult customers, power outages, how to deal with natural disasters, etc.</quote> Then it's just as I said. Such a case describes the former scenario I mentioned, in which the employee's seniority has intrinsic value and adds productivity compared to a new hire. High turnover is also a pretty good indicator that the employees are undervalued. If the employer has to spend time and resources recruiting, training, and filling positions while the business remains unproductive, then the wages must rise. It's not a question of obligation, but necessity for the business to survive or thrive. An employer DOES NOT and SHOULD NOT base their wages from any assumptions about their employee's financial needs or quality of life. As I mentioned in the case study in my last post, people can have a cornucopia of reasons for working a particular job or a particular wage. To assume their employees' social class is discriminatory and you can imagine all the problems that can arise from this line of thinking. It is fair for both the employer and employee to pay what the job is worth, no more and no less.</quote> then fast food workers would be making a hell of a lot more than $15 an hour</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/23/18 1:24:12 AM #156:	So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!! --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894614466] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote>So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chris1234128 01/23/18 1:32:15 AM #157:	knuxnole posted... So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!! Yes - Darwin had a theory on this. <cite>chris1234128 posted [p:894614860] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote>So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!!</quote> Yes - Darwin had a theory on this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/23/18 1:40:15 AM #158:	That's not the American way, this isn't the stone age! So I guess you are happy that THOUSANDS of adults working at fast food, groceries can't do anything more in their life. I know you support welfare for these people, which is good, cause that's the only solution. The gov't needs to be involved. Personally I like welfare checks, it lets me buy things I want. But, I like video games so I aspire to be a gamestop employee for life. One of my friends is a veteran there for 12 years and will probably stay there till 65. --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894615172] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote>That's not the American way, this isn't the stone age! So I guess you are happy that THOUSANDS of adults working at fast food, groceries can't do anything more in their life. I know you support welfare for these people, which is good, cause that's the only solution. The gov't needs to be involved. Personally I like welfare checks, it lets me buy things I want. But, I like video games so I aspire to be a gamestop employee for life. One of my friends is a veteran there for 12 years and will probably stay there till 65.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/23/18 1:40:37 AM #159:	chris1234128 posted... knuxnole posted... So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!! Yes - Darwin had a theory on this. That's just a theory, we are talking about actual real life. --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894615188] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>chris1234128 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote>So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!!</quote> Yes - Darwin had a theory on this.</quote> That's just a theory, we are talking about actual real life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 01/23/18 1:43:37 AM #160:	knuxnole posted... Makeveli_lives posted... Annihilated posted... Do you want mandatory raises for people who are working or just to the minimum wage across the board? If it's the former, all you would be doing is making one set of workers more expensive for doing the same work than another set of workers that would replace them. It's one thing to pay a senior employee more money because they're better at their job than the rest of the staff, it's another thing to pay them just because they've been doing the same thing for 5 years. The way I see it, more available jobs means more options to more people, and that gives employees more leverage. Turnover rate for "basic jobs" like fast food and super markets are pretty high, there's something to be said for someone who stays for 5 years. Besides even for skilled jobs, people get more money for simply being experienced all the time, why not do it for basic jobs? And yeah the tasks may be the same but its not just burger flipping. After 5 years they should know how to effectively handle difficult customers, power outages, how to deal with natural disasters, etc. I know people at grocery stores for 15+ years, McDonalds for 20+ years(my two aunts), my friend at Gamestop is there for his 12th year and counting, etc. Simple question, why is it everyone else's problem that your friends have absolutely zero ambition? --- Professionals are predictable- it's the amateurs who are dangerous. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:894615310] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Makeveli_lives posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote> Do you want mandatory raises for people who are working or just to the minimum wage across the board? If it's the former, all you would be doing is making one set of workers more expensive for doing the same work than another set of workers that would replace them. It's one thing to pay a senior employee more money because they're better at their job than the rest of the staff, it's another thing to pay them just because they've been doing the same thing for 5 years. The way I see it, more available jobs means more options to more people, and that gives employees more leverage. </quote> Turnover rate for "basic jobs" like fast food and super markets are pretty high, there's something to be said for someone who stays for 5 years. Besides even for skilled jobs, people get more money for simply being experienced all the time, why not do it for basic jobs? And yeah the tasks may be the same but its not just burger flipping. After 5 years they should know how to effectively handle difficult customers, power outages, how to deal with natural disasters, etc.</quote> I know people at grocery stores for 15+ years, McDonalds for 20+ years(my two aunts), my friend at Gamestop is there for his 12th year and counting, etc.</quote> Simple question, why is it everyone else's problem that your friends have absolutely zero ambition?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/23/18 12:02:47 PM #161:	r4X0r posted... knuxnole posted... Makeveli_lives posted... Annihilated posted... Do you want mandatory raises for people who are working or just to the minimum wage across the board? If it's the former, all you would be doing is making one set of workers more expensive for doing the same work than another set of workers that would replace them. It's one thing to pay a senior employee more money because they're better at their job than the rest of the staff, it's another thing to pay them just because they've been doing the same thing for 5 years. The way I see it, more available jobs means more options to more people, and that gives employees more leverage. Turnover rate for "basic jobs" like fast food and super markets are pretty high, there's something to be said for someone who stays for 5 years. Besides even for skilled jobs, people get more money for simply being experienced all the time, why not do it for basic jobs? And yeah the tasks may be the same but its not just burger flipping. After 5 years they should know how to effectively handle difficult customers, power outages, how to deal with natural disasters, etc. I know people at grocery stores for 15+ years, McDonalds for 20+ years(my two aunts), my friend at Gamestop is there for his 12th year and counting, etc. Simple question, why is it everyone else's problem that your friends have absolutely zero ambition? Because they can't do anything else with the life? Because they like that job choice? Some people aspire to be in Burger King for life. I aspire to be in GameStop It is your problem cause you pay taxes for my welfare check. --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894635207] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Makeveli_lives posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote> Do you want mandatory raises for people who are working or just to the minimum wage across the board? If it's the former, all you would be doing is making one set of workers more expensive for doing the same work than another set of workers that would replace them. It's one thing to pay a senior employee more money because they're better at their job than the rest of the staff, it's another thing to pay them just because they've been doing the same thing for 5 years. The way I see it, more available jobs means more options to more people, and that gives employees more leverage. </quote> Turnover rate for "basic jobs" like fast food and super markets are pretty high, there's something to be said for someone who stays for 5 years. Besides even for skilled jobs, people get more money for simply being experienced all the time, why not do it for basic jobs? And yeah the tasks may be the same but its not just burger flipping. After 5 years they should know how to effectively handle difficult customers, power outages, how to deal with natural disasters, etc.</quote> I know people at grocery stores for 15+ years, McDonalds for 20+ years(my two aunts), my friend at Gamestop is there for his 12th year and counting, etc.</quote> Simple question, why is it everyone else's problem that your friends have absolutely zero ambition?</quote> Because they can't do anything else with the life? Because they like that job choice? Some people aspire to be in Burger King for life. I aspire to be in GameStop It is your problem cause you pay taxes for my welfare check.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 01/23/18 12:22:18 PM #162:	The bottom line is that full time minimum wage workers' work justifies them working 40+ hours a week. They shouldn't need assistance outside of that, this is America we should be better than this. That said, having multiple children when only working a min wage job is another issue. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formerly known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:894636320] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote>The bottom line is that full time minimum wage workers' work justifies them working 40+ hours a week. They shouldn't need assistance outside of that, this is America we should be better than this. That said, having multiple children when only working a min wage job is another issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/23/18 12:24:13 PM #163:	I didn't read most of this topic, but my answer to the topic title is that they have given up on ever having an actual labor movement in the US again --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:894636431] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote>I didn't read most of this topic, but my answer to the topic title is that they have given up on ever having an actual labor movement in the US again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 01/23/18 12:25:22 PM #164:	Because it's free money. And really why stop there? With the right legislation we could all be millionaires next week. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:894636505] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote>Because it's free money. And really why stop there? With the right legislation we could all be millionaires next week.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 01/23/18 12:31:15 PM #166:	Seriously though about $10-$11 is perfectly reasonable. $15 is nuts though. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:894636854] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote>Seriously though about $10-$11 is perfectly reasonable. $15 is nuts though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 01/23/18 12:38:53 PM #167:	fenderbender321 posted... jumi posted... Because that work full-time to make a living deserve an actual living wage. Why do they deserve it? Just because they're alive? "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." :v --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:894637326] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>Because that work full-time to make a living deserve an actual living wage.</quote> Why do they deserve it? Just because they're alive?</quote> "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." :v</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OpheliaAdenade 01/23/18 12:44:36 PM #169:	fenderbender321 posted... None of which require forcing people to give other people more money. You need money to not die. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:894637710] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>None of which require forcing people to give other people more money.</quote> You need money to not die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 01/23/18 12:54:03 PM #170:	fenderbender321 posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... fenderbender321 posted... jumi posted... Because that work full-time to make a living deserve an actual living wage. Why do they deserve it? Just because they're alive? "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." :v None of which require forcing people to give other people more money. Nobody is forced to start a business and employ people. But if you do, you have to abide by the rules and regulations that have been set <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:894638322] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>Because that work full-time to make a living deserve an actual living wage.</quote> Why do they deserve it? Just because they're alive?</quote> "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." :v</quote> None of which require forcing people to give other people more money.</quote> Nobody is forced to start a business and employ people. But if you do, you have to abide by the rules and regulations that have been set</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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r4X0r 01/23/18 1:02:09 PM #173:	Villain posted... The bottom line is that full time minimum wage workers' work justifies them working 40+ hours a week. They shouldn't need assistance outside of that, this is America we should be better than this. That said, having multiple children when only working a min wage job is another issue. So you think that people should be as productive as their ability allows, but be compensated according to their needs? --- I faced it all, and I stood tall. And did it my way. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:894638818] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>The bottom line is that full time minimum wage workers' work justifies them working 40+ hours a week. They shouldn't need assistance outside of that, this is America we should be better than this. That said, having multiple children when only working a min wage job is another issue.</quote> So you think that people should be as productive as their ability allows, but be compensated according to their needs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 01/23/18 1:11:23 PM #174:	It's because minimum wage jobs are typically low skill jobs i.e. anyone can do it. Low skill jobs means large labor pool. Large labor pool means you have no leverage. no leverage means you won't make shit for money. This is how it works and I hardly feel bad for anyone that can easily get government subsidies, education, and pursue the ample opportunity we have in this country. Basically get some ambition and do something with your life if you want to make more money. There are countless ways to make money even without formal education all it takes is some fucking motivation > entitlement. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:894639444] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote>It's because minimum wage jobs are typically low skill jobs i.e. anyone can do it. Low skill jobs means large labor pool. Large labor pool means you have no leverage. no leverage means you won't make shit for money. This is how it works and I hardly feel bad for anyone that can easily get government subsidies, education, and pursue the ample opportunity we have in this country. Basically get some ambition and do something with your life if you want to make more money. There are countless ways to make money even without formal education all it takes is some fucking motivation > entitlement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chris1234128 01/23/18 1:19:13 PM #175:	knuxnole posted... chris1234128 posted... knuxnole posted... So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!! Yes - Darwin had a theory on this. That's just a theory, we are talking about actual real life. Ya real life - if you have no motivation you can die just like the dodo bird. If you dont evolve to get better - then you can fade away just like the other extinct species. <cite>chris1234128 posted [p:894639991] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chris1234128 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote>So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!!</quote> Yes - Darwin had a theory on this.</quote> That's just a theory, we are talking about actual real life.</quote> Ya real life - if you have no motivation you can die just like the dodo bird. If you dont evolve to get better - then you can fade away just like the other extinct species.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 01/23/18 2:28:16 PM #176:	HypnoCoosh posted... It's because minimum wage jobs are typically low skill jobs i.e. anyone can do it. Low skill jobs means large labor pool. Large labor pool means you have no leverage. no leverage means you won't make shit for money. This is how it works and I hardly feel bad for anyone that can easily get government subsidies, education, and pursue the ample opportunity we have in this country. Basically get some ambition and do something with your life if you want to make more money. There are countless ways to make money even without formal education all it takes is some fucking motivation > entitlement. You realize that if the entire labor force did what you said, you would just wind up with an overqualified labor force without enough jobs to accommodate them. The country actually needs broom pushers and burger flippers. That someone isnt intelligent, ambitious, or, yes, lucky enough to do otherwise doesnt mean they deserve to live in poverty. The whole purpose of society is to build ourselves up. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum youre on, it is objectively a huge issue that wages have stagnated. And there are plenty of warnings throughout history of what happens when the poor are ignored. --- ultimate milf hunter https://i.imgur.com/lCEdce6.gifv https://i.imgur.com/2N1Ezia.gifv https://i.imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ.jpg https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:894644464] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote>It's because minimum wage jobs are typically low skill jobs i.e. anyone can do it. Low skill jobs means large labor pool. Large labor pool means you have no leverage. no leverage means you won't make shit for money. This is how it works and I hardly feel bad for anyone that can easily get government subsidies, education, and pursue the ample opportunity we have in this country. Basically get some ambition and do something with your life if you want to make more money. There are countless ways to make money even without formal education all it takes is some fucking motivation > entitlement.</quote> You realize that if the entire labor force did what you said, you would just wind up with an overqualified labor force without enough jobs to accommodate them. The country actually needs broom pushers and burger flippers. That someone isnt intelligent, ambitious, or, yes, lucky enough to do otherwise doesnt mean they deserve to live in poverty. The whole purpose of society is to build ourselves up. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum youre on, it is objectively a huge issue that wages have stagnated. And there are plenty of warnings throughout history of what happens when the poor are ignored.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/23/18 3:29:02 PM #177:	fenderbender321 posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... fenderbender321 posted... jumi posted... Because that work full-time to make a living deserve an actual living wage. Why do they deserve it? Just because they're alive? "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." :v None of which require forcing people to give other people more money. You have to or people will be poor for life. Including me. You pay for my welfare. Thanks! --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894648621] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>Because that work full-time to make a living deserve an actual living wage.</quote> Why do they deserve it? Just because they're alive?</quote> "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." :v</quote> None of which require forcing people to give other people more money.</quote> You have to or people will be poor for life. Including me. You pay for my welfare. Thanks!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/23/18 3:30:27 PM #178:	chris1234128 posted... knuxnole posted... chris1234128 posted... knuxnole posted... So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!! Yes - Darwin had a theory on this. That's just a theory, we are talking about actual real life. Ya real life - if you have no motivation you can die just like the dodo bird. If you dont evolve to get better - then you can fade away just like the other extinct species. Nope, the purpose of life is to have fun so I'll just never gain skills or be productive(both overrated). I'll stay being lazy and having a dinky job and welfare to pay for my hobbies. --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894648713] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>chris1234128 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chris1234128 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote>So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!!</quote> Yes - Darwin had a theory on this.</quote> That's just a theory, we are talking about actual real life.</quote> Ya real life - if you have no motivation you can die just like the dodo bird. If you dont evolve to get better - then you can fade away just like the other extinct species.</quote> Nope, the purpose of life is to have fun so I'll just never gain skills or be productive(both overrated). I'll stay being lazy and having a dinky job and welfare to pay for my hobbies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 01/23/18 3:37:13 PM #179:	r4X0r posted... Villain posted... The bottom line is that full time minimum wage workers' work justifies them working 40+ hours a week. They shouldn't need assistance outside of that, this is America we should be better than this. That said, having multiple children when only working a min wage job is another issue. So you think that people should be as productive as their ability allows, but be compensated according to their needs? Compensated for their contribution of the thriving business --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formerly known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:894649177] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>The bottom line is that full time minimum wage workers' work justifies them working 40+ hours a week. They shouldn't need assistance outside of that, this is America we should be better than this. That said, having multiple children when only working a min wage job is another issue.</quote> So you think that people should be as productive as their ability allows, but be compensated according to their needs?</quote> Compensated for their contribution of the thriving business</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bloodydeath0 01/23/18 6:52:06 PM #180:	free market --- http://i.imgur.com/xHbbYI6.gif http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3386905/G2-Ortiz-Slam.gif Anything too hard in life is not worth doing. -John McGuirk <cite>bloodydeath0 posted [p:894661815] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote>free market</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/23/18 7:21:51 PM #181:	bloodydeath0 posted... free market Free Money Is better. Who cares about "contributing to society"? That's not what life and humans are about. I prefer to have fun and do things I want only. --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894663563] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>bloodydeath0 posted...</cite> <quote>free market</quote> Free Money Is better. Who cares about "contributing to society"? That's not what life and humans are about. I prefer to have fun and do things I want only.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 01/23/18 8:02:33 PM #182:	knuxnole posted... bloodydeath0 posted... free market Free Money Is better. Who cares about "contributing to society"? That's not what life and humans are about. I prefer to have fun and do things I want only. Not sure if sarcasm --- Oda break tracker 2018- 0 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:894666210] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bloodydeath0 posted...</cite> <quote>free market</quote> Free Money Is better. Who cares about "contributing to society"? That's not what life and humans are about. I prefer to have fun and do things I want only.</quote> Not sure if sarcasm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knuxnole 01/23/18 11:41:06 PM #183:	voldothegr8 posted... knuxnole posted... bloodydeath0 posted... free market Free Money Is better. Who cares about "contributing to society"? That's not what life and humans are about. I prefer to have fun and do things I want only. Not sure if sarcasm Nope it's real. Why would you ever think its sarcasm, that's just weird. --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894680073] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bloodydeath0 posted...</cite> <quote>free market</quote> Free Money Is better. Who cares about "contributing to society"? That's not what life and humans are about. I prefer to have fun and do things I want only.</quote> Not sure if sarcasm</quote> Nope it's real. Why would you ever think its sarcasm, that's just weird.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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knuxnole 01/24/18 1:55:43 PM #185:	fenderbender321 posted... chris1234128 posted... knuxnole posted... chris1234128 posted... knuxnole posted... So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!! Yes - Darwin had a theory on this. That's just a theory, we are talking about actual real life. Ya real life - if you have no motivation you can die just like the dodo bird. If you dont evolve to get better - then you can fade away just like the other extinct species. This is more or less how I feel. If you can survive and raise your kids on your own, then you've earned the right to have your genes continue to get passed on. If not, then we didn't want those genes to get passed on anyway. Too bad, they are being passed on with 10 kids!!! --- 3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782 <cite>knuxnole posted [p:894712163] in Why do lib... [t:76228632]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chris1234128 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chris1234128 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knuxnole posted...</cite> <quote>So if a fast food worker can't pay rent, they are forced to die? Cause they can't do anything else as you guys know!!!</quote> Yes - Darwin had a theory on this.</quote> That's just a theory, we are talking about actual real life.</quote> Ya real life - if you have no motivation you can die just like the dodo bird. If you dont evolve to get better - then you can fade away just like the other extinct species.</quote> This is more or less how I feel. If you can survive and raise your kids on your own, then you've earned the right to have your genes continue to get passed on. If not, then we didn't want those genes to get passed on anyway.</quote> Too bad, they are being passed on with 10 kids!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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