Current Events > "if they're black, shoot them" - former Kentucky assistant chief

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HBKick18 posted...

What government seat will he be running for soon?

President.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

HBKick18 posted...

What government seat will he be running for soon?

President.

he wouldnt be the first

Taharqa_ posted...

-Unowninator- posted...

How the fuck do people like this get hired? I hope he gets shot in the brain without dying; death is too good for him.

White supremacist and white nationalist types have been infiltrating law enforcement for years.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

And it's fucking redacted to hell and back. omfg, I wish I had saved it when it wasn't maimed like this.
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LordRazziel posted...

How many times will stuff like this happen before it's not an isolated incident?

You tell me. What is the number of times bad things happen from that group before its socially acceptable to condemn an entire group?
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Taharqa_ posted...

-Unowninator- posted...

How the fuck do people like this get hired? I hope he gets shot in the brain without dying; death is too good for him.

White supremacist and white nationalist types have been infiltrating law enforcement for years.

It's not so much infiltration as it is walking through the front door

Piersons_Fox posted...

LordRazziel posted...

How many times will stuff like this happen before it's not an isolated incident?

You tell me. What is the number of times bad things happen from that group before its socially acceptable to condemn an entire group?

That's not an equivalent statement. A subset of a population is not the same as a whole population. Saying that some people are racist doesn't mean that all people are racist and saying that some people are criminals doesn't mean that all people are criminals. Assuming that the entire group, race in this case, is only one way is fallacious. It's also fallacious to pretend like those elements don't exist.

Regardless, it's been shown that poverty is the lead indicator on being a criminal element so it would seem that eliminating poverty would go a long way toward eliminating crime.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

-Unowninator- posted...

How the fuck do people like this get hired? I hope he gets shot in the brain without dying; death is too good for him.

White supremacist and white nationalist types have been infiltrating law enforcement for years.

It's not so much infiltration as it is walking through the front door

lol damnnnnn
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Kineth posted...

Piersons_Fox posted...

LordRazziel posted...

How many times will stuff like this happen before it's not an isolated incident?

You tell me. What is the number of times bad things happen from that group before its socially acceptable to condemn an entire group?

That's not an equivalent statement.

So some cops are bad? Whoever disputed that? Let's not pretend that the left is not brimming with hate-mongers who hate all white cops, and that such hate fueled the murders in Dallas in 2016. The other poster's "isolated incident" comment is suspiciously close to the "#isolated incident" hashtag thrown around whenever a Muslim commits a crime.

Kineth posted...

Piersons_Fox posted...

LordRazziel posted...

How many times will stuff like this happen before it's not an isolated incident?

You tell me. What is the number of times bad things happen from that group before its socially acceptable to condemn an entire group?

That's not an equivalent statement. A subset of a population is not the same as a whole population. Saying that some people are racist doesn't mean that all people are racist and saying that some people are criminals doesn't mean that all people are criminals. Assuming that the entire group, race in this case, is only one way is fallacious. It's also fallacious to pretend like those elements don't exist.

Regardless, it's been shown that poverty is the lead indicator on being a criminal element so it would seem that eliminating poverty would go a long way toward eliminating crime.

You start off saying that the two are not equal then go on to explain why theyre both equal. I agree with you. At least the reasoning part of the post. You cannot judge any individual in a group as if it were indicative of the entire group. However, the phrase isolated incident [large number] infers that there is a problem with this group and these arent isolated incidents.
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Smh
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9I posted...

Suspended WITH PAY...

what a disgrace

Dude is fired:
USA TODAY:
https://tinyurl.com/ycko84pa

not suspended with pay.
O'Connell told reporters Friday that Shaw was terminated and that the recruit who was not identified wasn't hired by Louisville Metro.

GRANTED, this should have been an obvious resolution, but at least it actually happened.
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Kineth posted...

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

And it's fucking redacted to hell and back. omfg, I wish I had saved it when it wasn't maimed like this.

The original has to be floating around somewhere cant believe how redacted that is
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Piersons_Fox posted...

You start off saying that the two are not equal then go on to explain why theyre both equal.

No. I changed your statement so that they were both equal, but the way you were portraying the situation was not equal at all.

However, the phrase isolated incident [large number] infers that there is a problem with this group and these arent isolated incidents.

Well, it's a matter of deductive work and besides, we should hold law enforcement to a higher standard than the citizens. Not that we shouldn't have standards for ourselves as well.
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Ammonitida posted...

So some cops are bad? Whoever disputed that?

Well, the many times that someone has found a situation like this questionable and people start talking about how they think the person is saying all cops or bad or people who accuse me of being against cops. Or people who think taking a knee means the players think all cops are bad. It's not a non-existent sentiment.

Let's not pretend that the left is not brimming with hate-mongers who hate all white cops, and that such hate fueled the murders in Dallas in 2016. The other poster's "isolated incident" comment is suspiciously close to the "#isolated incident" hashtag thrown around whenever a Muslim commits a crime.

I don't get why people put race on cops. It's a little perturbing that people even view it like that in the first place. A cop's color is blue to me. Not brown, black, white, etc. Regardless, it's suspect that you want to see a pattern in specific places... and one incident isn't a pattern either. That did suck though and happened in my home city. But to pretend like extremists are a typical subset of a group is fallacious as well. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but don't start pretending like they're a common entity.
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Actually, yes. It's probably hard for people living in more liberal parts to imagine but as someone who lives in a rural conservative area, I can confirm that Ricky is right.

This is in Louisville. It isn't a rural area.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ
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Fighting fire with fire.

Kineth posted...

Ammonitida posted...

So some cops are bad? Whoever disputed that?

Well, the many times that someone has found a situation like this questionable and people start talking about how they think the person is saying all cops or bad or people who accuse me of being against cops. Or people who think taking a knee means the players think all cops are bad. It's not a non-existent sentiment.

Let's not pretend that the left is not brimming with hate-mongers who hate all white cops, and that such hate fueled the murders in Dallas in 2016. The other poster's "isolated incident" comment is suspiciously close to the "#isolated incident" hashtag thrown around whenever a Muslim commits a crime.

I don't get why people put race on cops. It's a little perturbing that people even view it like that in the first place. A cop's color is blue to me. Not brown, black, white, etc. Regardless, it's suspect that you want to see a pattern in specific places... and one incident isn't a pattern either. That did suck though and happened in my home city. But to pretend like extremists are a typical subset of a group is fallacious as well. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but don't start pretending like they're a common entity.

Are you against cops?

Is Muslim a race?
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Trump must love this guy
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Oh they're definitely a common entity among left-wing social media activists. It's that toxic. Not to mention that the media routinely frames controversial police shootings as "white cop" kills "unarmed black person", further fueling the sentiment. This is why multiple studies have been released since 2015 that examined the behavior of white cops in particular.

PonyLivesMatter posted...

Fighting fire with fire.

by suggesting you kill people that you come across for smoking weed?
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Piersons_Fox posted...

Kineth posted...

Ammonitida posted...

So some cops are bad? Whoever disputed that?

Well, the many times that someone has found a situation like this questionable and people start talking about how they think the person is saying all cops or bad or people who accuse me of being against cops. Or people who think taking a knee means the players think all cops are bad. It's not a non-existent sentiment.

Let's not pretend that the left is not brimming with hate-mongers who hate all white cops, and that such hate fueled the murders in Dallas in 2016. The other poster's "isolated incident" comment is suspiciously close to the "#isolated incident" hashtag thrown around whenever a Muslim commits a crime.

I don't get why people put race on cops. It's a little perturbing that people even view it like that in the first place. A cop's color is blue to me. Not brown, black, white, etc. Regardless, it's suspect that you want to see a pattern in specific places... and one incident isn't a pattern either. That did suck though and happened in my home city. But to pretend like extremists are a typical subset of a group is fallacious as well. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but don't start pretending like they're a common entity.

Are you against cops?

Is Muslim a race?

No, what does "against cops" even mean? Why are you bringing Muslims into this? No, Muslim is a religion, but when stereotyping someone, it typically has a racial slant.
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Ammonitida posted...

Oh they're definitely a common entity among left-wing social media activists. It's that toxic.

Social media activists? Lord help us. Yes, social media allows any last person with an opinion to be able to spew it. That doesn't mean it's common or valid or accepted. They're only a threat if they're paid attention to and all this complaining about nutters only brings undue attention to their shitty opinions.

Not to mention that the media routinely frames controversial police shootings as "white cop" kills "unarmed black person", further fueling the sentiment.

Eh, I usually see them frame around the unarmed black person without drawing attention to the cop's race, initially at least.

This is why multiple studies have been released since 2015 that examined the behavior of white cops in particular.

Go ahead and share some. It's possible that it has to do with a change in policy that allowed those studies to take place since they were previously countermanded.
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Dustin1280 posted...

9I posted...

Suspended WITH PAY...

what a disgrace

Dude is fired:
USA TODAY:
https://tinyurl.com/ycko84pa

not suspended with pay.
O'Connell told reporters Friday that Shaw was terminated and that the recruit who was not identified wasn't hired by Louisville Metro.

GRANTED, this should have been an obvious resolution, but at least it actually happened.

scum pig should be in prison, not fired.

Kineth posted...

Piersons_Fox posted...

Kineth posted...

Ammonitida posted...

So some cops are bad? Whoever disputed that?

Well, the many times that someone has found a situation like this questionable and people start talking about how they think the person is saying all cops or bad or people who accuse me of being against cops. Or people who think taking a knee means the players think all cops are bad. It's not a non-existent sentiment.

Let's not pretend that the left is not brimming with hate-mongers who hate all white cops, and that such hate fueled the murders in Dallas in 2016. The other poster's "isolated incident" comment is suspiciously close to the "#isolated incident" hashtag thrown around whenever a Muslim commits a crime.

I don't get why people put race on cops. It's a little perturbing that people even view it like that in the first place. A cop's color is blue to me. Not brown, black, white, etc. Regardless, it's suspect that you want to see a pattern in specific places... and one incident isn't a pattern either. That did suck though and happened in my home city. But to pretend like extremists are a typical subset of a group is fallacious as well. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but don't start pretending like they're a common entity.

Are you against cops?

Is Muslim a race?

No, what does "against cops" even mean? Why are you bringing Muslims into this? No, Muslim is a religion, but when stereotyping someone, it typically has a racial slant.

Do you hate cops?

Second part: You brought Muslims into this then construed it to being the equivalency as race. Someone mentioned Muslims and you went off on a tangent about comparing law enforcement to race, as if race was being used interchangeably with Muslims.

So, I just want to be clear on the logic youre using when you apply your reasoning. So, Im asking outright instead of assuming. And youre still dodging the questions. If it makes you feel better Ill answer the questions first.

Are you against cops?
-No, I am not.

Is Muslim a race?
-No, Muslim is not a race.
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Piersons_Fox posted...

Do you hate cops?

No, why are you asking me this? Do you want me to ask you if you hate black people or minorities? I went over disliking subsets of a group and not entire groups. You clearly didn't understand what I was saying if you're asking me to lay blanket statements and evaluations on groups.

Second part: You brought Muslims into this

No, I didn't. Ammonitida did.

then construed it to being the equivalency as race.

No, I didn't. I said in a specific scenario that that was the case and I didn't even say it was like that all the time in those cases.

Someone mentioned Muslims and you went off on a tangent about comparing law enforcement to race, as if race was being used interchangeably with Muslims.

No, what I did was comment on another person putting race on cops and did not draw equivalence along those lines at all.

So, I just want to be clear on the logic youre using

I highly doubt that.

So, Im asking outright instead of assuming.

Well, if that's the case, thank you. I think you're sorely mistaken on what I'm saying though.

I also already answered the questions. I said No to the first and No, Muslim is a religion to the second. I need to correct that to religious follower though.
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c'mon Kineth, you know the only thing genuine about White supremacy is the clear bias of those who perpetuate the behaviors and/or are complicit with it. the arguments themselves are *not* genuine. that's why you're going to keep facing the projections of insecure clowns who would rather strawman you than engage intellectually.

the motivation has never been to understand you. getting you to shut the fuck up is the goal. being rational and coherent aren't a part of the deal.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Fuck that guy.