Poll of the Day > Trump gives historic ANTI-ABORTION SPEECH..Despite wanting to ABORT TIFFANY!!!

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I'm even pro-corporations paying for abortions under the stipulation that they get to harvest the cells...

Did you know human foreskins are used in beauty products?
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I dont think it should be illegal, but I don't think anything that doesn't harm other people should be illegal (such as drugs and gay marriage)
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Muscles posted...

I dont think it should be illegal, but I don't think anything that doesn't harm other people should be illegal (such as drugs and gay marriage)

that's the whole debate. whether it harms a person or not.
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Abortion is a human right that's denied far too often in the US.

Whether or not abortion is killing a human being, you cannot force a person to go through with a pregnancy and pretend you live in a first world country.
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It's more inhumane to let bed-ridden down syndrome children live their lives staring into space, but no, fertilized eggs are people too. Wasn't there a charity dedicated to finding the cure to autisrn? It may or may not be right under our noses.

Now that's politically incorrect.
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Lokarin posted...

Y'can't have original sin and free-pass babies in the same ruleset, they're contradictory

Pretty sure that's just Catholic dogma (you know, the sect that may someday destroy the universe if renegade angels have anything to say about it). At any rate, baptism *only* applies to children after they're born. If they're stillborn, they don't need it.

wwinterj25 posted...

Zeus posted...

They're really two different classes. It's like locking your door as opposed to leaving your door open but sitting in your front hall with a shotgun to kill intruders. Sure, on some level you're protecting your home, but the first just makes far more sense.

Yes in a ideal world folk would use contraception and it would be 100% effective. This doesn't always happen though for whatever reason thus unwanted pregnancies happen thus abortion is a must.

Most times when contraceptives "don't work" is really just a matter of a girl lying about being on the pill or somebody sabotaging a condom. While there's a slim chance of failure, if you're using stuff right you're never going to have an issue.

Lokarin posted...

It's easy to love a person

It's hard to love a goop.

Tell that to any couple who miscarried.

ImmortalityV posted...

Jen0125 posted...

zeus the #leftleaningcentrist

You do not mock my friend ever. Period, @ Zeus I got your back since I know you will do what I want when I want it

She's just salty about being on my ignore list again =p
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adjl posted...

Zeus posted...

Countless people are pro-abortion

To be "pro-abortion" is to be a proponent of people having abortions. That's just how words work. Most abortion advocates are advocating for people to be able to get abortions as needed/desired, not for people to get abortions. Advocating for people getting abortions is typically eugenics at best, and genocidal misanthropy at worst.

Oh? And does pro-gun mean that they're a proponent of people owning guns? And does being pro-euthanasia mean that you're a proponent of killing people? Because you seem pretty clear on how words work in those cases where it involves supporting a person's right to choose, but all the sudden you don't understand how words work when it comes to abortion to justify a changed verbiage which was literally done to rebrand the movement -- and, by the way, quite badly at that because the wording is inherently vague.

As for the second part of your argument, the largest provider of abortions WAS founded by a firm believer in eugenics so you don't even have that going for you.

Yellow posted...

Abortion is a human right that's denied far too often in the US.

Whether or not abortion is killing a human being, you cannot force a person to go through with a pregnancy and pretend you live in a first world country.

You're literally choosing whether a third-party lives or dies and yet you're calling that the less barbaric of the options. Granted, it's not without precedent -- there was an old practice of leaving children to die from exposure on mountainsides but, in general, the spiritual predecessor to abortion is infanticide and some of the nations most in favor of abortion are also big on infanticide.

Yellow posted...

It's more inhumane to let bed-ridden down syndrome children live their lives staring into space, but no, fertilized eggs are people too. Wasn't there a charity dedicated to finding the cure to autisrn? It may or may not be right under our noses.

Now that's politically incorrect.

...what?

Most children with downs aren't bed-ridden -- nor do they stare into space -- and you're *still* making a decision about their lives based on your perception of their quality of life. Arguing that you're killing somebody for their benefit is a shitty, sociopathic argument. Granted, there are plenty of utilitarian arguments for killing people who can't contribute to society, but those arguments could also be applied to the chronically unemployed or anybody with substance abuse issues.
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LittleRoyal posted...

As a woman i always lol at people who say a few things

Womans choice lol

Or as I saw in a Shonda Rimes show its a womans issue and men dont get a say in it!
Are you kidding me? sigh.

It's also funny because they tend to apply the same arguments to men which anti-abortions apply to abortion. At any rate, it's just one more reason why feminism is a supremacist movement rather than an equality movement.
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One day I will find a way to

A) Clone human egg cells and mass produce them
B) Fertilize millions of eggs at once and let them all die

That's actually how ridiculous your standards for murder are. Then I would

C) Make it public

and finally

D) Watch pro-lifers wage a literal war because of shit I made in a test tube over cave man logic

Because the human race is still caught on listening to the magical prophet that "speaks to god in secret", and that's where we're going to get our standards for science from.
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Yellow posted...

One day I will find a way to

A) Clone human egg cells and mass produce them
B) Fertilize millions of eggs at once and let them all die

That's actually how ridiculous your standards for murder are. Then I would

C) Make it public

and finally

D) Watch pro-lifers wage a literal war because of shit I made in a test tube over cave man logic

Because the human race is still caught on listening to the magical prophet that "speaks to god in secret", and that's where we're going to get our standards for science from.

You could also mass clone people, artificially age them, and then murder them in front of us. It's pretty much the same shit. You're just demonstrating zero regard for life, even if it's legal because of the cloning aspect.
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I'm anti-life. We should make having kids illegal worldwide for a year or two to shrink down the population without killing any humans.
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It's not legal to kill clones if they're actually human beings. Twins are clones.

And I'd be showing zero regards for ignorance.

This is as nonsensical as a Muslim being petrified by pig's blood. When a bucket of liquid can suddenly become more important than the entire human race, it's called a plothole.
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Revelation34 posted...

A guy shouldn't have a say at all since it's the woman's body. She should ask for his opinion first though.

Opinion would be a more of a fitting word yes. I mean whatever the case the gal is going to do what she wants as yes it is indeed her body.

Zeus posted...

Most times when contraceptives "don't work" is really just a matter of a girl lying about being on the pill or somebody sabotaging a condom. While there's a slim chance of failure, if you're using stuff right you're never going to have an issue.

Thanks for that man. My point of unwanted pregnancies happening still stands though so it really doesn't matter.
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Yellow posted...

It's not legal to kill clones if they're actually human beings. Twins are clones.

And I'd be showing zero regards for ignorance.

This is as nonsensical as a Muslim being petrified by pig's blood. When a bucket of liquid can suddenly become more important than the entire human race, it's called a plothole.

Not really, no. Our idea of a clone is an artificially created being. Twins are naturally occurring.

And the second you create cloning, human life loses its value.

wwinterj25 posted...

Thanks for that man. My point of unwanted pregnancies happening still stands though so it really doesn't matter.

But it changes to a case of people not using caution and a third party suffering for it.
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Zeus posted...

But it changes to a case of people not using caution and a third party suffering for it.

I'd argue to 'third party' could suffer more if it's unwanted and born. Still again you can preach folk should prevent unwanted pregnancies but the fact of the matter is a lot don't so abortion is a must. You've not said anything that suggests it isn't. There are many ways to not get pregnant but doesn't mean abortion isn't a must as a option.
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Zeus posted...

Oh? And does pro-gun mean that they're a proponent of people owning guns? And does being pro-euthanasia mean that you're a proponent of killing people?

Except those terms don't actually exist. Pro-choice is the only one used like this.

Zeus posted...

While there's a slim chance of failure, if you're using stuff right you're never going to have an issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

Zeus posted...

At any rate, it's just one more reason why feminism is a supremacist movement rather than an equality movement.

Except in that case it's SJWism and not feminist.
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