Current Events > The original metroid has aged horribly, even for an NES game.

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Ironically, Super Metroid has aged great, even for an SNES game.
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That's why Zero Mission exists.
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No fucking shit.
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The better situation to point out is that Samus Returns made the whole Grey Brick die of old age; ninty needs to start remaking more GB games.
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correct

DoomSwell posted...

The better situation to point out is that Samus Returns made the whole Grey Brick die of old age; ninty needs to start remaking more GB games.

both versions of Metroid II are good though

creativerealms posted...

That's why Zero Mission exists.

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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

No fucking shit.

The original Zelda is still great, despite its limitations. Super Mario still has some entertainment value. The sequels for those series hold up even better. Kid Icarus and Ice Climber aren't the best, but there's at least some fun that can still be had. Metroid is so much worse than those.
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Almost every NES game besides Mario and Zelda has aged poorly. And both of those games haven't aged insanely well either.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

What are you talking about? The original Metroid is still great. The only thing that has aged horribly is the password system. But that was a hardware limitation with the NES itself. Metroid has aged better than 90% of all N64 games.

That's a load of shit. The rooms are all too similar, with less variation in aesthetics (and far less variation in actual design) than SMB. And when you die or reload a save, you start at the minimum health, so you need to stand next to the little enemy spawners for 7 minutes refilling your life before venturing forward again. The combat isn't fun either.
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Why not try to work out which NES games have aged well?
Guardian Legend
River City Ransom
Punch-Out
Kirby's Adventure
SMB3
Crystalis

The 1 thing that kills it for me is restarting at 30 heath everytime you die. Otherwise I could go back to it.

I beat it once legit (no passwords, no save states) and it was pure torture. Never doing that again >_>
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Why not try to work out which NES games have aged well?
Guardian Legend
River City Ransom
Punch-Out
Kirby's Adventure
SMB3
Crystalis

The Legend of Zelda
Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link
Ice Climber
Kid Icarus
Duck Hunt
SMB
SMB2
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NeonOctopus posted...

I beat it once legit (no passwords, no save states) and it was pure torture. Never doing that again >_>

Same. One of the worst gaming experiences of my life
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Why not try to work out which NES games have aged well?
Guardian Legend
River City Ransom
Punch-Out
Kirby's Adventure
SMB3
Crystalis

The Legend of Zelda
Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link
Ice Climber
Kid Icarus
Duck Hunt
SMB
SMB2

CV3
Little Nemo
Contra
Willow

original metroid had some huge problems:

- all the backgrounds are black so every area looks the same

- no map so you need to create your own. when me and my dad played it on the NES back when i was a kid, we created a map on graph paper to track where we were

- starting with 30 health so you have to grind enemies to fill your energy tanks

- frame rate issues that got pretty bad in some areas
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I don't think the NES zelda games aged well at all, nor the zelda clones of the time like crystalis

not sure about duck hunt because I haven't played a lightgun game in years but iirc it was incredibly easy except for the technical issues with the gun which I guess doesn't mean it hasnt aged well but its not very fun

Punch out is still awesome. Kirby is good because it was released like 5 years after NES stopped getting new games lol
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ClunkerSlim posted...

What the fuck are you talking about? The room sizes are fine. There are no saves, only preprogrammed passwords. You can charge your health as you go. And combat is great, especially when you unlock cooler weapons (literally) at higher levels.

Ok, load a save password, geez.

The rooms themselves are boring and nearly identical. Even if you charge your health as you go, you'll still need to fill a tank to be able to survive a couple hits, and you'll die far too often.

Combat is not great. You can't aim.
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I just played it for the first time in a long time, and I honestly thought it still holds up well. It could get a little too cryptic, but thats about every NES game.
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It still looks ok, but it plays terribly compared to the GBA Metroids or Super, yes. Zero mission is a remake for a reason.
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Conflict posted...

Lol. Kid Icarus is complete garbage. Zelda 2 and Ice Climber suck too

Garbage opinion, Zelda 2 is great.

Kid Icarus and Ice Climber aren't great, you're right. They're just 4x as good as Metroid
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What SNES games haven't aged great?
That's like...the only gen that hasn't aged at all
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I find the Mega Man games from 2 onward to be perfectly playable still.

luigi13579 posted...

I find the Mega Man games from 2 onward to be perfectly playable still.

Mega Man 1 is so impossibly hard >_>
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Metroid NES is not a good game.
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NeonOctopus posted...

luigi13579 posted...

I find the Mega Man games from 2 onward to be perfectly playable still.

Mega Man 1 is so impossibly hard >_>

Exploit the pause glitch

NeonOctopus posted...

Mega Man 1 is so impossibly hard >_>

The stages aren't *too* bad, but the bosses (without the pause glitch) are insane. Especially in the Wily stages.

Turbam posted...

What SNES games haven't aged great?
That's like...the only gen that hasn't aged at all

the audio is worse than the visual stuff from that era

like star ocean's dialogue was cool 20 years ago but its so garbled in retrospect that its almost unbearable now
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Conflict posted...

Lol. Kid Icarus is complete garbage. Zelda 2 and Ice Climber suck too

Ice Climber is just trying to be an "arcadey" game. It doesn't need to be particularly "pretty" to accomplish that.

The jump physics, however, are completely atrocious. That's why it hasn't aged well.

I'd have a hard time believing it was one of the better NES games at the time.

Who judges old games by modern standards? I account for the whole "for its time" part and that prevents my fun from being fucked off.

Yeah, I HAVE beaten Mega Man 1 without the pause glitch (it didn't work on the Anniversary Collection) but as long as its available I'll always use it, no reason to torture yourself. >_>

I think Metroid has aged just fine. Passwords are annoying but other than that, I don't see any significant issues. I never bothered with a map, it's a fairly easy layout with just a little trial and error.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

I'd have a hard time believing it was one of the better NES games at the time.

It pioneered a genre and broke a lot of the tropes at the time (scrolling only horizontal and primarily right, etc)
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TheGrindery posted...

Who judges old games by modern standards? I account for the whole "for its time" part and that prevents my fun from being fucked off.

I think that a lot of it has to do with the generation that you started gaming with.
Personally, I don't see the appeal of the Atari, but I can play NES games all day.
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The Top Crusader posted...

other than that, I don't see any significant issues

the health is the biggest one.

Anyway, looking at Super. SNES games age well in general. SMW is good, A Link to the Past is great, all three Donkey Kong Country games are great, ect. But Super Metroid really stands out, above the others.
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Turbam posted...

What SNES games haven't aged great?

Lagoon, George Foreman's KO Boxing, scads and scads of SF2-knockoffs, ports of PC FPS games, etc.

Turbam posted...

I think that a lot of it has to do with the generation that you started gaming with.
Personally, I don't see the appeal of the Atari, but I can play NES games all day.

I dunno, I started with games in NES and I find most NES games pretty unplayable these days. Not as bad as old arcade games of that era, though. They really were just designed to suck quarters out of your pocket.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Turbam posted...

What SNES games haven't aged great?

Lagoon, George Foreman's KO Boxing, scads and scads of SF2-knockoffs, ports of PC FPS games, etc.

although most of these were also unplayable when they came out to be fair
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it's not a good game. extreme amounts of self-similarity between rooms and areas make it feel both uninspired and make it extremely hard to tell where you are. movement is clunky and combat feels bad because you can barely aim shots or anything. restarting with only 30 health is an awful design decision
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Balrog0 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Turbam posted...

What SNES games haven't aged great?

Lagoon, George Foreman's KO Boxing, scads and scads of SF2-knockoffs, ports of PC FPS games, etc.

although most of these were also unplayable when they came out to be fair

That's true, yeah.

Spoilers

The first metroid wasn't ever good
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I don't think I like any of the Contra games I've tried.
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Turbam posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Who judges old games by modern standards? I account for the whole "for its time" part and that prevents my fun from being fucked off.

I think that a lot of it has to do with the generation that you started gaming with.
Personally, I don't see the appeal of the Atari, but I can play NES games all day.

Yeah I feel like I'm missing out by not being able to enjoy text adventure games.

I never had Atari but I've played several games. The one where you gotta land the plane without crashing used to piss me off.

Best Atari game to me is River Raid. Check that out.

kirbymuncher posted...

it's not a good game. extreme amounts of self-similarity between rooms and areas make it feel both uninspired and make it extremely hard to tell where you are. movement is clunky and combat feels bad because you can barely aim shots or anything. restarting with only 30 health is an awful design decision

To be fair most games those days did that. But youre right that its awful.
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Ninja-Yatsu posted...

I don't think I like any of the Contra games I've tried.

You tried The Alien Wars on the SNES? It's fun, but I'm not great at it.

They had to make it crazy hard because the games were short.

CapnMuffin posted...

kirbymuncher posted...

it's not a good game. extreme amounts of self-similarity between rooms and areas make it feel both uninspired and make it extremely hard to tell where you are. movement is clunky and combat feels bad because you can barely aim shots or anything. restarting with only 30 health is an awful design decision

To be fair most games those days did that. But youre right that its awful.

pretty sure most games didn't have any sort of saving functionality at all. And basically all the ones I can think of that did, didn't have this issue, either through providing an easy way to restore to full health (fairy fountains in zelda) or just starting you with full (megaman)
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If you could save in most NES games, you would have spent $50 just to sit there and beat it in an afternoon and also feel LESS of a sense of accomplishment.