Current Events > Marvel's Runaways starts out intriguing but 10 episodes later... spoilers

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I don't think I like it anymore. A lotta stupid shit. This so called Pride is a bunch of incompetent morons, how were they able to kill 15 other kids before?

That fight at the construction site was anti-climactic.

And I can't get over how fanservicey it felt for the fat indian chick and the jock to hook up in the middle of a dance party (ew I hope they used protection at least...) and for the 2 hot girls of the group to start making out and all of a sudden niko has feelings for karolina. Just came outta nowhere for the final episode of the season to maybe boost the ratings or I dunno.

I kinda regarded Alex as like the protagonist of the series or main focal center that all the kids are drawn to but he hasn't been given much or done much.
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I was really into it until the jock destroyed the laptop. A ton of buildup dashed in an instant.
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saspa posted...

the fat indian chick and the jock to hook up in the middle of a dance party (ew I hope they used protection at least...) and for the 2 hot girls of the group to start making out and all of a sudden niko has feelings for karolina.

Devolving into SJW shit like every other Marvel show
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Lol at that final line: "we run" was that supposed to sound badass? It just came off silly and then when they were literally running through a homeless alley with the dinosaur tagging along behind them I was like "er, not literally guys"

That was such a weak way to end the season.
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CableZL posted...

I was really into it until the jock destroyed the laptop. A ton of buildup dashed in an instant.

I kept thinking the supposed tech genius didn't immediately create backups of this super important discovery? Are you fucking kidding me? I should have quit the show right then and there.

Or really, shoulda quit even before when there was a situation where a character, a teenager in the 21st century did not have their fucking phone with them and it was ringing and they didn't answer it. Contrived much? I couldn't believe that actually went through editing, must have gotten a bunch of 60 year olds who still used rotary dial phones in booths or something to write that part.
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Yeah, honestly, the 1st thing I would have done is upload that s*** to cloud storage. Doesn't make any god damn sense if it's that important to just leave it on the laptop.
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Did it have a "You know ____, we really are The Runaways." moment
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Yeah but it's not as cute or as fun as the line usually is.
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I do like the look that they gave the dinosaur
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I really enjoyed the comic series, but I thought the show was just alright. The biggest problem were the changes they made. I understand that you have to change things for an adaptation, but everyone they made was for the worse. So I'mma be making comic spoilers throughout this post.

They utterly ruined the Pride and the Gibborim. I understand what they were trying to do with the Pride, but they didn't need to be morally grey characters. And, to be blunt, they're fucking stupid. That first sacrifice being a messup was idiotic. There was clearly no need for the sacrifice to be that exact night, so why didn't Stein just say that he was having problems with the box? When it didn't work, why did he try to hide it when it was obvious Leslie would know? Making them more grounded also made them a lot less interesting. The show's Pride is essentially a bunch of tech and business gurus and nothing else. The comic's Pride consisted of time travelers, sorcerers, aliens, mutants, mad scientists, and criminals (okay, the Wilders didn't change much).

But I could have excused all that if the Gibborim didn't consist of one guy with glowy superpowers. The Gibborim in the comics are three giants with twelve fingers and twelve toes who want to wipe out all life on the planet so they can remake it as a utopia. They require a yearly sacrifice to regain their power and promise the Pride six spots in paradise and an enhancement of their abilities as a reward for doing this. Jonah is a massive disappointment in comparison.

I think the Runaways themselves were mostly okay. I don't see why they needed to add Amy into the show since the reveal of who killed her was more of a duh than anything else. I was honestly a little annoyed by them changing Molly's race which isn't something I'm usually annoyed by, but I think it was because I got the cast talking about how special and diverse LA was every single commercial break.
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Also, I don't care how sure you are that you're getting a second season. You can't end your first one with absolutely nothing resolved.
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A Marvel TV show is lame!? Shocking!

pegusus123456 posted...

I really enjoyed the comic series, but I thought the show was just alright. The biggest problem were the changes they made. I understand that you have to change things for an adaptation, but everyone they made was for the worse. So I'mma be making comic spoilers throughout this post.

They utterly ruined the Pride and the Gibborim. I understand what they were trying to do with the Pride, but they didn't need to be morally grey characters. And, to be blunt, they're fucking stupid. That first sacrifice being a messup was idiotic. There was clearly no need for the sacrifice to be that exact night, so why didn't Stein just say that he was having problems with the box? When it didn't work, why did he try to hide it when it was obvious Leslie would know? Making them more grounded also made them a lot less interesting. The show's Pride is essentially a bunch of tech and business gurus and nothing else. The comic's Pride consisted of time travelers, sorcerers, aliens, mutants, mad scientists, and criminals (okay, the Wilders didn't change much).

But I could have excused all that if the Gibborim didn't consist of one guy with glowy superpowers. The Gibborim in the comics are three giants with twelve fingers and twelve toes who want to wipe out all life on the planet so they can remake it as a utopia. They require a yearly sacrifice to regain their power and promise the Pride six spots in paradise and an enhancement of their abilities as a reward for doing this. Jonah is a massive disappointment in comparison.

I think the Runaways themselves were mostly okay. I don't see why they needed to add Amy into the show since the reveal of who killed her was more of a duh than anything else. I was honestly a little annoyed by them changing Molly's race which isn't something I'm usually annoyed by, but I think it was because I got the cast talking about how special and diverse LA was every single commercial break.

Stien didnt warn them about the box, because he had a tumor fucking up his thought process. And the giant(s) are in the hole
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Suddenly lesbian Nico threw me off
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

Did it have a "You know ____, we really are The Runaways." moment

Yes it did but they changed the reason why they're called the Runaways so that they never actually have to run away now.
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Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...

SSJGrimReaper posted...

Did it have a "You know ____, we really are The Runaways." moment

Yes it did but they changed the reason why they're called the Runaways so that they never actually have to run away now.

They ran away at the end (which i figured since first seasons are usually origin stories
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pegusus123456 posted...

The comic's Pride consisted of time travelers, sorcerers, aliens, mutants, mad scientists, and criminals (okay, the Wilders didn't change much).

Damn, that sounds pretty cool. Maybe it was too tricky to pull off, but I for one would have watched the show just for that alone and given them a lot of leeway for the effort.
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pegusus123456 posted...

I really enjoyed the comic series, but I thought the show was just alright. The biggest problem were the changes they made. I understand that you have to change things for an adaptation, but everyone they made was for the worse. So I'mma be making comic spoilers throughout this post.

They utterly ruined the Pride and the Gibborim. I understand what they were trying to do with the Pride, but they didn't need to be morally grey characters. And, to be blunt, they're fucking stupid. That first sacrifice being a messup was idiotic. There was clearly no need for the sacrifice to be that exact night, so why didn't Stein just say that he was having problems with the box? When it didn't work, why did he try to hide it when it was obvious Leslie would know? Making them more grounded also made them a lot less interesting. The show's Pride is essentially a bunch of tech and business gurus and nothing else. The comic's Pride consisted of time travelers, sorcerers, aliens, mutants, mad scientists, and criminals (okay, the Wilders didn't change much).

But I could have excused all that if the Gibborim didn't consist of one guy with glowy superpowers. The Gibborim in the comics are three giants with twelve fingers and twelve toes who want to wipe out all life on the planet so they can remake it as a utopia. They require a yearly sacrifice to regain their power and promise the Pride six spots in paradise and an enhancement of their abilities as a reward for doing this. Jonah is a massive disappointment in comparison.

I think the Runaways themselves were mostly okay. I don't see why they needed to add Amy into the show since the reveal of who killed her was more of a duh than anything else. I was honestly a little annoyed by them changing Molly's race which isn't something I'm usually annoyed by, but I think it was because I got the cast talking about how special and diverse LA was every single commercial break.

I would have enjoyed a show containing your spoilers then what we got. That shit sounds awesome.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

The comic's Pride consisted of time travelers, sorcerers, aliens, mutants, mad scientists, and criminals (okay, the Wilders didn't change much).

Damn, that sounds pretty cool. Maybe it was too tricky to pull off, but I for one would have watched the show just for that alone and given them a lot of leeway for the effort.

I'm not sure if budget or "muh realism" is the problem. The Yorkes being biologists instead of time travelers is more realistic, but it's much more boring.

It just sort of misses the basic premise of the comic which is that their parents are essentially every type of supervillain there is.
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youngfossil posted...

Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...

SSJGrimReaper posted...

Did it have a "You know ____, we really are The Runaways." moment

Yes it did but they changed the reason why they're called the Runaways so that they never actually have to run away now.

They ran away at the end (which i figured since first seasons are usually origin stories

oh did they? Only episode I didn't see yet
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I enjoyed it the whole way through but I hate how the season ended and it felt like it just barely started.

Also destroying the laptop seems to make no sense because 1. tech guy didn't back it up and 2. wasn't it on a flash drive anyway
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DarthAragorn posted...

Also destroying the laptop seems to make no sense because 1. tech guy didn't back it up and 2. wasn't it on a flash drive anyway

I try to look beyond any computer related plots in shows and movies. They think all of their viewers are complete fools when it comes to that stuff.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

The comic's Pride consisted of time travelers, sorcerers, aliens, mutants, mad scientists, and criminals (okay, the Wilders didn't change much).

Damn, that sounds pretty cool. Maybe it was too tricky to pull off, but I for one would have watched the show just for that alone and given them a lot of leeway for the effort.

I'm not sure if budget or "muh realism" is the problem. The Yorkes being biologists instead of time travelers is more realistic, but it's much more boring.

It just sort of misses the basic premise of the comic which is that their parents are essentially every type of supervillain there is.

I didn't mind the Yorkes being biologist compared to time-travelers because the good arcs of Runaways generally avoided time-travel anyway and a super-raptor with a psychic link makes more sense from people Jurassic Parking one than time travel.

Making the Wilder's not kingpins and the Minorus highly-advanced science instead of actual magicians was more offensive to me. And the fact that they were all a bunch of incompetent, manipulated idiots instead of individuals actively working toward their known plan is the worst.

I mean even if you are willing to do some dark shit for the greater good, how does sacrificing teenagers to find renewable energy even make sense? It makes the Pride look stupid and gullible.
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The show started out slow. I get they wanted to develop the cast, both parents and kids, better than in the comics where the parents were rather one dimensional and the kids were obvious stereotypes with quippy dialogue, but the full season dragged.

Still, as for the laptop, and while the show is deviating from the comics, this is a potential spoiler that may still happen so click at your own risk:

Alex is screwing over the team for his own goals. In the comics he wanted the Giborrim's gifts for him, Nico, and their parents and was willing to screw over the rest of the group to do it. Ultimately the plan was to let the others see everything he already knew, let them behave naturally while building up their skills and abilities as a team through some natural hardship to later take down the parents, then use his own knowledge of them and their weaknesses to take them out. Yeah, convoluted and improbable (I mean, it didn't work after all), but that's comics for you, so anything odd from Alex may or may not be part of a larger plan.
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DarthAragorn posted...

I enjoyed it the whole way through but I hate how the season ended and it felt like it just barely started.

Also destroying the laptop seems to make no sense because 1. tech guy didn't back it up and 2. wasn't it on a flash drive anyway

Yep, I liked it quite a bit as well, but thought it fizzled a bit in the last two episodes.
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The above spoiler, if incorporated into the show is a major, gigantic spoiler and should only be viewed if you have read the comic or really don't care.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

The show started out slow. I get they wanted to develop the cast, both parents and kids, better than in the comics where the parents were rather one dimensional and the kids were obvious stereotypes with quippy dialogue, but the full season dragged.

Still, as for the laptop, and while the show is deviating from the comics, this is a potential spoiler that may still happen so click at your own risk:

Alex is screwing over the team for his own goals. In the comics he wanted the Giborrim's gifts for him, Nico, and their parents and was willing to screw over the rest of the group to do it. Ultimately the plan was to let the others see everything he already knew, let them behave naturally while building up their skills and abilities as a team through some natural hardship to later take down the parents, then use his own knowledge of them and their weaknesses to take them out. Yeah, convoluted and improbable (I mean, it didn't work after all), but that's comics for you, so anything odd from Alex may or may not be part of a larger plan.

I really doubt they'll do this in the show. Definitely not. That seems way too convoluted for the show and writers' level based on what we've seen.
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saspa posted...

I really doubt they'll do this in the show. Definitely not. That seems way too convoluted for the show and writers' level based on what we've seen.

I dunno.

Potential future spoilers based on comic. We've seen Jonah receiving texts from someone that's implied to be the parents, but that could very well be Alex. And he could be the one that told Jonah about Amy knowing. There's no way it won't be really convoluted though.
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pegusus123456 posted...

I really enjoyed the comic series, but I thought the show was just alright. The biggest problem were the changes they made. I understand that you have to change things for an adaptation, but everyone they made was for the worse. So I'mma be making comic spoilers throughout this post.

They utterly ruined the Pride and the Gibborim. I understand what they were trying to do with the Pride, but they didn't need to be morally grey characters. And, to be blunt, they're fucking stupid. That first sacrifice being a messup was idiotic. There was clearly no need for the sacrifice to be that exact night, so why didn't Stein just say that he was having problems with the box? When it didn't work, why did he try to hide it when it was obvious Leslie would know? Making them more grounded also made them a lot less interesting. The show's Pride is essentially a bunch of tech and business gurus and nothing else. The comic's Pride consisted of time travelers, sorcerers, aliens, mutants, mad scientists, and criminals (okay, the Wilders didn't change much).

But I could have excused all that if the Gibborim didn't consist of one guy with glowy superpowers. The Gibborim in the comics are three giants with twelve fingers and twelve toes who want to wipe out all life on the planet so they can remake it as a utopia. They require a yearly sacrifice to regain their power and promise the Pride six spots in paradise and an enhancement of their abilities as a reward for doing this. Jonah is a massive disappointment in comparison.

I think the Runaways themselves were mostly okay. I don't see why they needed to add Amy into the show since the reveal of who killed her was more of a duh than anything else. I was honestly a little annoyed by them changing Molly's race which isn't something I'm usually annoyed by, but I think it was because I got the cast talking about how special and diverse LA was every single commercial break.

There's so much that can be said about this so called Pride's incompetence and their apparent gullibility that one could write paragraphs about it, but I think you've stated most of what I've felt.

As for the kids they started out alright but... well it's funny. The story and plot move at such a snail's pace and nothing gets resolved, but then when it comes to the kids all of a sudden with the characters Nico goes from 0 to 60 lesbian obsessed with Karolina. It's like the fuck? They picked the wrong thing to move quickly with, they should have been quick about the actual plot.
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pegusus123456 posted...

saspa posted...

I really doubt they'll do this in the show. Definitely not. That seems way too convoluted for the show and writers' level based on what we've seen.

I dunno.

Potential future spoilers based on comic. We've seen Jonah receiving texts from someone that's implied to be the parents, but that could very well be Alex. And he could be the one that told Jonah about Amy knowing. There's no way it won't be really convoluted though.

So does that mean that Alex is a bad guy in the comics or... ? I thought, from the little I've read, that it was Chase who was the bad guy or at least wildcard that keeps changing his allegiance and doing shit.

I think the show will be convoluted but in a different way.
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saspa posted...

So does that mean that Alex is a bad guy in the comics or... ? I thought, from the little I've read, that it was Chase who was the bad guy or at least wildcard that keeps changing his allegiance and doing shit.

Massive comic spoilers.
Yes. Basically, the Gibborim in the comics offer the Pride six spots in paradise. The obvious issue is that there are twelve of them. After Chase's parents accidentally get pregnant, the Pride decides that they will all have one child each and give the six spots to their kids. Years later, Alex discovers the Pride performing a sacrifice and later overhears the Deans and the Hayes (aliens and mutants respectively) talking about their plan to murder the human members of the Pride and grab the six spots for themselves, Molly, and Karolina.

Alex decides that he will save himself, his parents, Nico, and Nico's parents. He guides the Runaways to "accidentally" discover the sacrifice, convinces them to run away, helps Molly and Karolina discover their powers, and generally plans to have the Runaways defeat their parents so he can swoop in and take out the Pride.

Chase soooooort of teams up with the Gibborim way after that, but it's in a much different context with much more acceptable motivation.
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Alex got Finned. He has no powers, he has no one to love him, he doesn't even have computer anymore. I didn't know much about him..but his comic counter part is do damn cool. Not he get called names by the girl that he likes when he turns his back.

Also two girls hooking up out of know where. I am like what... Niko showed not interest in what's her face then out of the blue.
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youngfossil posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

I really enjoyed the comic series, but I thought the show was just alright. The biggest problem were the changes they made. I understand that you have to change things for an adaptation, but everyone they made was for the worse. So I'mma be making comic spoilers throughout this post.

They utterly ruined the Pride and the Gibborim. I understand what they were trying to do with the Pride, but they didn't need to be morally grey characters. And, to be blunt, they're fucking stupid. That first sacrifice being a messup was idiotic. There was clearly no need for the sacrifice to be that exact night, so why didn't Stein just say that he was having problems with the box? When it didn't work, why did he try to hide it when it was obvious Leslie would know? Making them more grounded also made them a lot less interesting. The show's Pride is essentially a bunch of tech and business gurus and nothing else. The comic's Pride consisted of time travelers, sorcerers, aliens, mutants, mad scientists, and criminals (okay, the Wilders didn't change much).

But I could have excused all that if the Gibborim didn't consist of one guy with glowy superpowers. The Gibborim in the comics are three giants with twelve fingers and twelve toes who want to wipe out all life on the planet so they can remake it as a utopia. They require a yearly sacrifice to regain their power and promise the Pride six spots in paradise and an enhancement of their abilities as a reward for doing this. Jonah is a massive disappointment in comparison.

I think the Runaways themselves were mostly okay. I don't see why they needed to add Amy into the show since the reveal of who killed her was more of a duh than anything else. I was honestly a little annoyed by them changing Molly's race which isn't something I'm usually annoyed by, but I think it was because I got the cast talking about how special and diverse LA was every single commercial break.

Stien didnt warn them about the box, because he had a tumor fucking up his thought process. And the giant(s) are in the hole

Nah I think it was just basically his pride not wanting to admit he made a mistake. Lol pun unintended but out there.
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cjsdowg posted...

Also two girls hooking up out of know where. I am like what... Niko showed not interest in what's her face then out of the blue.

Yeah, that really bothered me too. This is one case where their attempt to be diverse backfired because they didn't set up Nico being into women in the slightest.
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pegusus123456 posted...

saspa posted...

So does that mean that Alex is a bad guy in the comics or... ? I thought, from the little I've read, that it was Chase who was the bad guy or at least wildcard that keeps changing his allegiance and doing shit.

Massive comic spoilers.
Yes. Basically, the Gibborim in the comics offer the Pride six spots in paradise. The obvious issue is that there are twelve of them. After Chase's parents accidentally get pregnant, the Pride decides that they will all have one child each and give the six spots to their kids. Years later, Alex discovers the Pride performing a sacrifice and later overhears the Deans and the Hayes (aliens and mutants respectively) talking about their plan to murder the human members of the Pride and grab the six spots for themselves, Molly, and Karolina.

Alex decides that he will save himself, his parents, Nico, and Nico's parents. He guides the Runaways to "accidentally" discover the sacrifice, convinces them to run away, helps Molly and Karolina discover their powers, and generally plans to have the Runaways defeat their parents so he can swoop in and take out the Pride.

Chase soooooort of teams up with the Gibborim way after that, but it's in a much different context with much more acceptable motivation.

But you make him sound sympathetic as well if he overhears talks of his family being killed and so wants to protect his family and Nico. While the killing others thing is kinda outright cold and evil he also has his own motivations. I was imagining more of an outright evil play.

Which I suppose means that... he could do that in the show as well if he feels those are the right reasons. But then again at the same time not really if mutants and aliens don't exist in this show. Well, we'll see depending on how they explain jonah.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, that really bothered me too. This is one case where their attempt to be diverse backfired because they didn't set up Nico being into women in the slightest.

It would have also been Jarring if Nico wasn't into girls and she was just kissed randomly. I am inclusive and stuff but if my friend kiss me like that out of the blue.. "I would be like what the fuck man we have to talk about boundaries." So just one the level who dealing with other people it seemed odd.
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cjsdowg posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, that really bothered me too. This is one case where their attempt to be diverse backfired because they didn't set up Nico being into women in the slightest.

It would have also been Jarring if Nico wasn't into girls and she was just kissed randomly. I am inclusive and stuff but if my friend kiss me like that out of the blue.. "I would be like what the fuck man we have to talk about boundaries." So just one the level who dealing with other people it seemed odd.

That is essentially what happens in the comic. Karolina goes in for the kiss, Nico steps back and asks, "What are you doing?" Karolina says if she's going too fast, Nico says she shouldn't even be going in that direction.
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pegusus123456 posted...

That is essentially what happens in the comic. Karolina goes in for the kiss, Nico steps back and asks, "What are you doing?" Karolina says if she's going too fast, Nico says she shouldn't even be going in that direction.

That seems so much better.
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ITT: Pegasus "James" being angry at homosexuality again
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cjsdowg posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

That is essentially what happens in the comic. Karolina goes in for the kiss, Nico steps back and asks, "What are you doing?" Karolina says if she's going too fast, Nico says she shouldn't even be going in that direction.

That seems so much better.

Karolina's also a little more justified in that Nico had recently said that she was "done with men."

UnfairRepresent posted...

ITT: Pegasus "James" being angry at homosexuality again

Darling, you probably shouldn't be throwing accusations of homophobia at the guy who masturbated to gay erotica a short time ago.

Also, James? What?
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cjsdowg posted...

Alex got Finned. He has no powers, he has no one to love him, he doesn't even have computer anymore. I didn't know much about him..but his comic counter part is do damn cool. Not he get called names by the girl that he likes when he turns his back.

Also two girls hooking up out of know where. I am like what... Niko showed not interest in what's her face then out of the blue.

What is Finned?

And yeah when Nico calls him "the little shit" in that last episode I was like what the actual fuck. What. the. actual. fuck.
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saspa posted...

What is Finned?

And yeah when Nico calls him "the little s***" in that last episode I was like what the actual f***. What. the. actual. f***.

Finn is the Black Character from Star Wars who they bad out to be a bad ass in the trailers. But when the movie game out he was push over. So he got Finned .
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pegusus123456 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, that really bothered me too. This is one case where their attempt to be diverse backfired because they didn't set up Nico being into women in the slightest.

It would have also been Jarring if Nico wasn't into girls and she was just kissed randomly. I am inclusive and stuff but if my friend kiss me like that out of the blue.. "I would be like what the fuck man we have to talk about boundaries." So just one the level who dealing with other people it seemed odd.

That is essentially what happens in the comic. Karolina goes in for the kiss, Nico steps back and asks, "What are you doing?" Karolina says if she's going too fast, Nico says she shouldn't even be going in that direction.

Huh, that's what I thought was going to happen in the show, like Nico was going to do her now staple "what the hell are you doing dude" and give Karolina one of her looks but then when she's like enjoying it I'm like what? Not even a "oh, uh I'm flattered but sorry no" type line?

In hindsight it seems like such an obvious ploy to increase the ratings or some shit and it just seems shallow.
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pegusus123456 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

Also two girls hooking up out of know where. I am like what... Niko showed not interest in what's her face then out of the blue.

Yeah, that really bothered me too. This is one case where their attempt to be diverse backfired because they didn't set up Nico being into women in the slightest.

It's like... would it kill them to have at least shown Nico being conflicted over Alex and Karolina? Develop that slowly, and develop the actual plot in a faster pace, that's the correct way. Instead we have Nico all of a sudden being obsessed with Karolina and calling Alex "the little shit" which still feels like such a weird line to say even from her and all her gothy look.
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cjsdowg posted...

saspa posted...

What is Finned?

And yeah when Nico calls him "the little s***" in that last episode I was like what the actual f***. What. the. actual. f***.

Finn is the Black Character from Star Wars who they bad out to be a bad ass in the trailers. But when the movie game out he was push over. So he got Finned .

Um what?
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saspa posted...

Um what?

It was just a joke about the Star Wars character Finn being a push over, like Alex is becoming (at least on the show).
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No I mean bad out? Movie game? I'm somewhat familiar with star wars but are you talking about a game based on the movie?
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saspa posted...

No I mean bad out? Movie game? I'm somewhat familiar with star wars but are you talking about a game based on the movie?

Sorry that was just my horrible typing.

I meant to say he was MADE OUT to be Badass in the movie Trailer. But he was not , really badass in the movie.
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Ah ok so you mean Alex was just sidelined which yeah I do feel like they did that to his character. Bit of a shame since I kinda felt he was the character all the other characters are connected to but I guess not.
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