Current Events > I don't necessarily think Aziz is a rapist, but christ @ this liberal take on it

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COVxy posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Misrepresenting my argument only makes you look stupid and emotional.

Should a 30 year old be allowed to have sex with a 9 year old?

Here, Ill answer it first. No, a 30 year old should not be allowed to have sex with a 9 year old.

Your turn.
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Nomadic View posted...

Yeah, her performing fellatio twice after letting him perform cunnilingus on her is obviously clear signals that she doesnt want sex.

No, her repeatedly saying she's uncomfortable is the signal. She got pressured into giving oral and that's ultimately on her for relenting, but the guy should be criticized for doing the pressuring and ignoring her.
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XHJYFL posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

what makes this a "liberal take" and why does this need a partisan slant?

Because its all part of the rape wolf cry that the left has been peddling for the past few years. Heres a great example of eye raping where a man looks at a woman, therefore he raped her.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/eye-raping

I don't know why feminists are trying to fight this fake "rape culture" when there are actual rape cultures in Muslim and African societies. They could do a lot of good there but choose to pester Western men into believing saying "I think this woman is cute" qualifies as rape.

I mean...mostly because those women live in those Western areas >_>

Nomadic View posted...

I already answered your god awful question when you asked it the first time in that topic. No, i can't imagine a situation in which that would be okay. Doesn't have anything to do with my argument.
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Pow Pow Punishment posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Yeah, her performing fellatio twice after letting him perform cunnilingus on her is obviously clear signals that she doesnt want sex.

No, her repeatedly saying she's uncomfortable is the signal. She got pressured into giving oral and that's ultimately on her for relenting, but the guy should be criticized for doing the pressuring and ignoring her.

But Baby It's Cold Outside
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COVxy posted...

Nomadic View posted...

I already answered your god awful question when you asked it the first time in that topic. No, i can't imagine a situation in which that would be okay. Doesn't have anything to do with my argument.

Oh. My mistake. I honestly never saw that response. I do apologize.
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Nomadic View posted...

COVxy posted...

Nomadic View posted...

I already answered your god awful question when you asked it the first time in that topic. No, i can't imagine a situation in which that would be okay. Doesn't have anything to do with my argument.

Oh. My mistake. I honestly never saw that response. I do apologize.

This is a rare look at something that you don't see nowadays. >_>

COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

The discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen is that women need to learn how to directly and unambiguously give and revoke consent. That used to be standard a generation ago with the "no means no" campaign. This nonsense where a man is expected to have the skills of a criminal profiler to pick on negative, non-verbal body cues -- while he's in the middle of trying to enjoy a sexual experience -- is moronic and completely ass backwards.

I mean, she explicitly told him she didn't want to have sex, and he kept trying. It's not about reading cues here.

When she finally said "no" instead of hoping he'd get the hint with her non-verbal cues, he stopped. You're kind of making my point for me there.
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The Admiral posted...

When she finally said "no" instead of hoping he'd get the hint with her non-verbal cues, he stopped.

'What if I pour another glass for you?"

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COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

When she finally said "no" instead of hoping he'd get the hint with her non-verbal cues, he stopped.

'What if I pour another glass for you?"

But Baby It's Cold Outside.
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For context a woman wrote that piece.
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COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

When she finally said "no" instead of hoping he'd get the hint with her non-verbal cues, he stopped.

'What if I pour another glass for you?"

If this is what you think sexual assault is, after he completely ended doing anything physical when she said no, we're not having a reality-based discussion anymore.
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The Admiral posted...

If this is what you think sexual assault is, after he completely ended doing anything physical when she said no, we're not having a reality-based discussion anymore.

Have you read any of my posts?
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Milkman5 posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Cause its easy and nothing wrong with it

Sex is fun and feels good. Nothing wrong with f***ing attractive women

It's stupid and risky. Forget a second about rape allegations, think about STDs.
If a girl is ready to bang you after you just met, the odds of her carrying a disease probably sky-rocket.

No they dont and safe sex is a thing...called condoms

Sorry you live under a rock
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no such thing as safe sex

Veggeta_MAX posted...

COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

When she finally said "no" instead of hoping he'd get the hint with her non-verbal cues, he stopped.

'What if I pour another glass for you?"

But Baby It's Cold Outside.

You've posted this like four times and not one of those times have I gotten the impression that you understand what the song is about.
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The Admiral posted...

If this is what you think sexual assault is, after he completely ended doing anything physical when she said no, we're not having a reality-based discussion anymore.

She told him she felt forced and he acknowledged it and chilled with her before starting his moves again. I don't consider it sexual assault, but sexual harassment and he should be called out for it.
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marthsheretoo posted...

You've posted this like four times and not one of those times have I gotten the impression that you understand what the song is about.

Please do explain what the song is about.
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MutantJohn posted...

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

Have you never just like had to bone before? Dude, it's a real affliction.

Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm in this, but no. Dude, control yourself.
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I read this story. He sounds like a typical guy with sex on the mind, and simply wasn't going to stop unless there was a resounding "No" coming from her lips. Yeah, he was pushy, and a bit pervy with the fingers down throat thing, but... just leave, girl. Why would you stick around? Did he have her under a spell, or was she just shy and embarrassed?
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

marthsheretoo posted...

You've posted this like four times and not one of those times have I gotten the impression that you understand what the song is about.

Please do explain what the song is about.

It's about a man trying to convince a woman to spend the night with him because it is cold outside and thus walking home would put her at greater risk of being attacked by a sabertooth tiger
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Sonicblack35 posted...

Dude, control yourself.

The thirst is real out here.
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Panthera posted...

because it is cold outside and thus walking home would put her at greater risk of being attacked by a sabertooth tiger

I mean I would literally tell a woman anything for her to stay the night. A meteor is about to kill us all, have sex with me please.
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Sonicblack35 posted...

MutantJohn posted...

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

Have you never just like had to bone before? Dude, it's a real affliction.

Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm in this, but no. Dude, control yourself.

He's being sarcastic. Or ironic. One of the two.
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Milkman5 posted...

no such thing as safe sex

So i can avoid any conversation with you ever again? Good to know
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Lets add in the fact that SHE approached him.

Gonna tell you guys...if a woman approaches you, she's already made her mind up that she wants to have sex with you.
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Pow Pow Punishment posted...

The Admiral posted...

If this is what you think sexual assault is, after he completely ended doing anything physical when she said no, we're not having a reality-based discussion anymore.

She told him she felt forced and he acknowledged it and chilled with her before starting his moves again. I don't consider it sexual assault, but sexual harassment and he should be called out for it.

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CrimsonRage posted...

Milkman5 posted...

no such thing as safe sex

This sounds like beta talk, I thought you were a manly alpha Milky

There is no 100% guarantee you wont get an std from any prevention method.

You guys realize right?

the only way to be sure it is to be sure your girl isnt diseased

Veggeta_MAX posted...

I mean I would literally tell a woman anything for her to stay the night. A meteor is about to kill us all, have sex with me please.

Well that is what happened to a Family in HI.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76201272
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_OujiDoza_ posted...

For context a woman wrote that piece.

I dont think that has any relevance. Opinions are not defined by biology.
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Lets add in the fact that SHE approached him.

Gonna tell you guys...if a woman approaches you, she's already made her mind up that she wants to have sex with you.

She approached him to ask about his camera. Even if they started flirting it doesn't mean she wants to have sex that night.

Hell, he might have even got her turned on and wanting to have sex if he wasn't such a slob about it and ramped things up slow.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I mean I would literally tell a woman anything for her to stay the night. A meteor is about to kill us all, have sex with me please.

Let's all hope you're joking. Or don't have the social skills necessary to manipulate a woman.
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Pow Pow Punishment posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Lets add in the fact that SHE approached him.

Gonna tell you guys...if a woman approaches you, she's already made her mind up that she wants to have sex with you.

She approached him to ask about his camera. Even if they started flirting it doesn't mean she wants to have sex.

Hell, he might have even got her turned on and wanting to have sex if he wasn't such a slob about it and ramped things up slow.

I mean his dick was in her mouth .....twice

And her box was in his mouth

Soooo
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Please do explain what the song is about.

"The song sets up a story where the woman has dropped by her beaus house on a cold winter night. They talk in the first verse about how long shes going to stay. She has another drink and stays longer, and then later in the evening its implied that shes going to sleep over.

If we look at the text of the song, the woman gives plenty of indication that she wants to stay the night. At the time period the song was written (1936), good girls, especially young, unmarried girls, did not spend the night at a mans house unsupervised. The tension in the song comes from her own desire to stay and societys expectations that shell go. We see this in the organization of the song from stopping by for a visit, to deciding to push the line by staying longer, to wanting to spend the entire night, which is really pushing the bounds of acceptability. Her beau in his repeated refrain Baby, its cold outside is offering her the excuses she needs to stay without guilt.

Lets look at the lines. As shes talking about leaving, she never says she doesnt want to stay. Her words are all based around other peoples expectations of her her mother will worry, her father will be pacing the floor, the neighbors will talk, her sister will be suspicious of her excuses and her brother will be furious, and my favorite line that I think is incredibly revealing, My maiden aunts mind is vicious. Vicious about what? Sex. Unmarried, non-good girl having, sex.

Later, she asks for a comb (to fix her hair) and mentions that theres going to be talk tomorrow this is a song about sex, wanting it, having it, maybe a long night of it by the fire, but its not about rape. Its about the desires even good girls have.

So what is he singing while shes talking about what other people think of her? Hes providing her with cover stories, essentialy, excuses she can use to explain why she wont go home. Its cold out, its snowing, the cabs arent running, the storm is becoming a blizzard, she might get hurt trying to get home. Hes complimenting her as well, something that many criticisms of the song hone on she has beautiful eyes, her lips look delicious, her hair looks swell. This is standard romantic language. They are having an intimate time together and hes far less constrained by societal expectations, so he can ask her to stay. Its always assumed that shell turn him down. Except that she doesnt want to. Its her mother, her father, her aunt, the neighbors that want her to go home in a storm; shes having a lovely time. (I ought to say no, no, no sir, well, at least Im gonna say that I tried.)

So lets talk about that drink. Ive discussed solely looking at the lyrics of the song and its internal universe so far, but I think that the line Say, whats in this drink needs to be explained in a broader context to refute the idea that he spiked her drink. Say, whats in this drink is a well-used phrase that was common in movies of the time period and isnt really used in the same manner any longer. The phrase generally referred to someone saying or doing something they thought they wouldnt in normal circumstances; its a nod to the idea that alcohol is making them do something unusual. But the joke is almost always that there is nothing in the drink. The drink is the excuse. The drink is the shield someone gets to hold up in front of them to protect from criticism. And its not just used in these sort of romantic situations. Ive heard it in many investigation type scenes where the stoolpigeon character is giving up bits of information theyre supposed to be protecting, in screwball comedies where someone is making a fool of themselves, and, yes, in romantic movies where someone is experiencing feelings they're not meant to have."
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Milkman5 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

what makes this a "liberal take" and why does this need a partisan slant?

The Atlantic is a leftist publication.

And bringing up intersectionality unironically.
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Pow Pow Punishment posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Lets add in the fact that SHE approached him.

Gonna tell you guys...if a woman approaches you, she's already made her mind up that she wants to have sex with you.

She approached him to ask about his camera. Even if they started flirting it doesn't mean she wants to have sex that night.

Hell, he might have even got her turned on and wanting to have sex if he wasn't such a slob about it and ramped things up slow.

As recounted by Grace to the reporter Katie Way, she approached him, but he brushed her off at first. Then they bonded over their devotion to the same vintage camera.

She wanted the dong
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COVxy posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

I mean I would literally tell a woman anything for her to stay the night. A meteor is about to kill us all, have sex with me please.

Let's all hope you're joking. Or don't have the social skills necessary to manipulate a woman.

I mean, if a woman actually fucks a guy who says that, she was clearly already enamored with him. If he hadn't done it she probably would have told him fucking her is the way to cure cancer or something.
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The Admiral posted...

Not sure why Aziz's skin color has any relevance on these claims being nonsense. The story would have been just as ridiculous if he was a "college-educated white men"

It's because now that it's a white woman attacking a non-white man, it's clearly racially motivated. Or, at the very least, intersectionality means we can't go after minorities.
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COVxy posted...

Let's all hope you're joking. Or don't have the social skills necessary to manipulate a woman.

"Hey lady it's okay if you don't want to have sex with me"
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marthsheretoo posted...

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That was a nice read
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

COVxy posted...

Let's all hope you're joking. Or don't have the social skills necessary to manipulate a woman.

"Hey lady it's okay if you don't want to have sex with me"

Or how about, "hey, you got to know me and you like me and now you actually want to have sex with me."

Or is that too much to ask from you?
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COVxy posted...

Or how about, "hey, you got to know me and you like me and now you actually want to have sex with me."

Or is that too much to ask from you?

Holy fuck i was being sarcastic please tell me you are too
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Hard to tell, given the topic.
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COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

The discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen is that women need to learn how to directly and unambiguously give and revoke consent. That used to be standard a generation ago with the "no means no" campaign. This nonsense where a man is expected to have the skills of a criminal profiler to pick on negative, non-verbal body cues -- while he's in the middle of trying to enjoy a sexual experience -- is moronic and completely ass backwards.

I mean, she explicitly told him she didn't want to have sex, and he kept trying. It's not about reading cues here.

No she didn't. She said she kept mumbling and giving him non-verbal cues she feels he should have picked up on.
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sylverlolol posted...

No she didn't.

She did, you just didn't read the full story.
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COVxy posted...

sylverlolol posted...

No she didn't.

She did, you just didn't read the full story.

She said no once, at the end, and he stopped. No other time during their encounter did she clearly say no. You are trying to claim that she said no repeatedly and he ignored her...and that is not the case at all. Not sure why you're intentionally being obtuse here.
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sylverlolol posted...

No she didn't. She said she kept mumbling and giving him non-verbal cues she feels he should have picked up on.

She said herself she didn't think he noticed her non-verbal cues.
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COVxy posted...

sylverlolol posted...

No she didn't.

She did, you just didn't read the full story.

Thats if you believe her..which no one does
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cjsdowg posted...

sylverlolol posted...

No she didn't. She said she kept mumbling and giving him non-verbal cues she feels he should have picked up on.

She said herself she didn't think he noticed her non-verbal cues.

Non-verbal cues =\= saying no. If you don't want to do something, say no. This is just going after him for not being a mind reader.
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