Current Events > It's almost a year later. What are some Hitler-ish things Trump did?

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Mal_Fet posted...

In their original story they claim Trump was overfeeding the fish. Heavily implied that the laughs in the video were generated by Trump being stupid or something.

And I know for a fact you were on CE before it was revealed to be fake news. People were raving about how dumb Trump is and how it makes Americans look bad to the world. None of them will admit to falling for the hoax now, of course.

This is the first time I saw the video because I literally don't watch news on TV except for whatever I catch at the breakroom at work which is usually Fox News. If it's not Fox News, it's the food network.

I do remember threads about him overfeeding fish but I don't think I read or posted in any of them.

But I just want to point out some key differences here.

1. The complaint is literally pointless. It's 2-scoops-of-ice-cream tier bullshit.
2. People should have been smart enough to know that Trump would not have been given "too much food" in the first place by the pond caretakers.
3. The footage is a single continuous cut. Project Veritas literally chopped up interview footage to mix and match answers to different questions to make it look like Planned Parenthood was auctioning off baby body parts. This made it look like he "overfed fish" except you never saw the fucking food come out of the bowl so for all I know it could have been fucking empty at the time he turned it upside down or maybe only a few seeds left that he couldn't get out with the scoop.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

1. The complaint is literally pointless. It's 2-scoops-of-ice-cream tier bullshit.
2. People should have been smart enough to know that Trump would not have been given "too much food" in the first place by the pond caretakers.
3. The footage is a single continuous cut. Project Veritas literally chopped up interview footage to mix and match answers to different questions to make it look like Planned Parenthood was auctioning off baby body parts. This made it look like he "overfed fish" except you never saw the fucking food come out of the bowl so for all I know it could have been fucking empty at the time he turned it upside down or maybe only a few seeds left that he couldn't get out with the scoop.

1. Agreed, it is pointless. Which makes CNN's lie all the more pathetic.
2. They should have been, but they weren't.
3. Editing a video specifically to mislead people is a lie regardless of the specific way the video is edited. CNN crops Abe out of the shot, and Veritas cuts out parts of sentences. There's no relevant difference; each is an edit made to lie to people.
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Mal_Fet posted...

nicklebro posted...

the video I saw had him looking pretty stupid. And like I said, there's no need to lie about that kinda thing,

What did Trump do that was so stupid? He was just feeding fish

Idk if he did anything stupid, I just know he looked really stupid. He usually does. I mean c'mon, he's a reality tv show host lol, its fun to laugh at how stupid he seems.
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Mal_Fet posted...

3. Editing a video specifically to mislead people is a lie regardless of the specific way the video is edited. CNN crops Abe out of the shot, and Veritas cuts out parts of sentences. There's no relevant difference; each is an edit made to lie to people.

lmao
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Mal_Fet posted...

3. Editing a video specifically to mislead people is a lie regardless of the specific way the video is edited. CNN crops Abe out of the shot, and Veritas cuts out parts of sentences. There's no relevant difference; each is an edit made to lie to people.

Come on man. If CNN had edited that footage to instead make it look like he was dumping laundry detergent into the pond that it would be worse than what they did?
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

3. Editing a video specifically to mislead people is a lie regardless of the specific way the video is edited. CNN crops Abe out of the shot, and Veritas cuts out parts of sentences. There's no relevant difference; each is an edit made to lie to people.

Come on man. If CNN had edited that footage to instead make it look like he was dumping laundry detergent into the pond that it would be worse than what they did?

Libel is libel regardless of the severity of the lie, right? It's a simple question; is CNN guilty of libel or aren't they?
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I missed that article, what did CNN say Trump did that was untrue?
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trump only wishes he had hitler's receptive audience. He's authoritarian but just a wannabe, tempered by sane americans
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Mal_Fet posted...

Libel is libel regardless of the severity of the lie, right? It's a simple question; is CNN guilty of libel or aren't they?

Sure. I guess. In the same way that the Boston Marathon Bombers and the 9/11 hijackers are both terrorists.
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Wait what did CNN say though? I thought they just laughed at the way he dumped his box in the water. Even after seeing Abe do it first, the way Trump did it just seems to capture his character so well, its just awkward and stupid and clearly the case of a man having no clue what he's doing, but trying to appear confident anyways.
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nicklebro posted...

I missed that article,

No you didn't, you liar.

CNN edited out Abe dumping fish into the water. Even Lolitifact had to back Trump against the outpour of negative press thanks to their selective edit

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/nov/06/donald-trump-and-fish-food-dump-how-early-reports-/
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Mal_Fet posted...

nicklebro posted...

I missed that article,

No you didn't, you liar.

CNN edited out Abe dumping fish into the water. Even Lolitifact had to back Trump against the outpour of negative press thanks to their selective edit

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/nov/06/donald-trump-and-fish-food-dump-how-early-reports-/

I said I missed the article, not the story. Jesus man, calm down. But I'm still searching for the libel claim. Where is it?
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you can't support trump and then complain about the media being dishonest lol.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/donald-trump-koi-pond-japan/index.html

There's the article on CNN. I don't see where they are guilty of libel.
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nicklebro posted...

I said I missed the article, not the story. Jesus man, calm down. But I'm still searching for the libel claim. Where is it?

I'm asking @JeanCocteau if CNN is guilty of libel here. I never said an actual claim of libel was made in this instance.

bevan306 posted...

you can't support trump and then complain about the media being dishonest lol.

This entire question of the media being dishonest came from people saying Trump is like Hitler because he criticizes the media.

Of course, Hitler was not bad because he criticized the media, he was bad because he arrested or murdered journalists who criticized him.

And, in a sick sort of hilarious way, the people complaining about Trump's relationship with the meida are generally people who support Obama. Who, by the way, is actually way more similar to Hitler than Trump is in this regard because Obama has actually imprisoned people for reporting truths about his administration a greater number of times than all other presidents combined while Trump has yet to imprison anyone for such a thing.
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nicklebro posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/donald-trump-koi-pond-japan/index.html

There's the article on CNN. I don't see where they are guilty of libel.

oh hey

The move got Trump some laughs, and a smile from Abe, who actually appeared to dump out his box of food ahead of Trump.

look at that.
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nicklebro posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/donald-trump-koi-pond-japan/index.html

There's the article on CNN. I don't see where they are guilty of libel.

Updated 12:37 PM ET, Mon November 6, 2017

^ The very day the video was outed as a lie. Convenient!
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Mal_Fet posted...

Of course, Hitler was not bad because he criticized the media, he was bad because he arrested or murdered journalists who criticized him.

That is literally not even a top 10 most awful thing about Hitler.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Of course, Hitler was not bad because he criticized the media, he was bad because he arrested or murdered journalists who criticized him.

That is literally not even a top 10 most awful thing about Hitler.

Hitler simply criticizing the media wouldn't even make the list at all if it were 10,000 things long.
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Mal_Fet posted...

nicklebro posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/donald-trump-koi-pond-japan/index.html

There's the article on CNN. I don't see where they are guilty of libel.

Updated 12:37 PM ET, Mon November 6, 2017

^ The very day the video was outed as a lie. Convenient!

So do you at least know what was said that would make them guilty of libel?

And I'm pretty sure that correcting a story kinda negates that whole libel thing.... Lol or did you actually think that Trump had a legitimate case to sue CNN and just let them off the hook out of the kindness of his heart? LMAO
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nicklebro posted...

So do you at least know what was said that would make them guilty of libel?

They published a misleading video and wrote misleading text to push the idea that Trump somehow overfed the fish of a foreign leader.

Libel is when you say or write something misleading in order to damage someone's reputation.

So yes or no: is what CNN did libel?
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Mal_Fet posted...

They published a misleading video and wrote misleading text to push the idea that Trump somehow overfed the fish of a foreign leader.

Libel is when you say or write something misleading in order to damage someone's reputation.

So yes or no: is what CNN did libel?

Unless you can produce the original article text, then this question is not answerable.

The video makes it look like he did exactly what he actually did: pour the whole bowl of fish food into the pond.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Unless you can produce the original article text, then this question is not answerable.

Read the Fox article.
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Mal_Fet posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Unless you can produce the original article text, then this question is not answerable.

Read the Fox article.

an article from known liars about another known liar is more worthless than the air in trump's head.

if you can find it on internet archive, way back machine, or a google cached page, I'll take a look.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Unless you can produce the original article text, then this question is not answerable.

Read the Fox article.

an article from known liars about another known liar is more worthless than the air in trump's head.

If any of what they wrote were wrong, CNN has a perfect opportunity to crush their main political media rival by simply drudging up their old article and slamming Fox in a headline. But it's been over two months and they haven't.

So either the people running CNN are unbelievably dumb, or they can't show what Fox wrote is wrong. Which do you think it is?
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Mal_Fet posted...

If any of what they wrote were wrong, CNN has a perfect opportunity to crush their main political media rival by simply drudging up their old article and slamming Fox in a headline. But it's been over two months and they haven't.

So either the people running CNN are unbelievably dumb, or they can't show what Fox wrote is wrong. Which do you think it is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGRuTIVBsMo
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The biggest difference between Trump and Hitler is that Hitler accomplished a lot in a short time, for better or worse.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

The biggest difference between Trump and Hitler is that Hitler accomplished a lot in a short time, for better or worse.

stop peddling the nonsense that Trump isn't getting anything accomplished. He's done lots of really important and awful shit that has gone under the radar because people would rather argue about covfefe.
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Became the leader of a country
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

If any of what they wrote were wrong, CNN has a perfect opportunity to crush their main political media rival by simply drudging up their old article and slamming Fox in a headline. But it's been over two months and they haven't.

So either the people running CNN are unbelievably dumb, or they can't show what Fox wrote is wrong. Which do you think it is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGRuTIVBsMo

Nice tangent of Glenn insulting people.

Now which is it
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Mal_Fet posted...

nicklebro posted...

So do you at least know what was said that would make them guilty of libel?

They published a misleading video and wrote misleading text to push the idea that Trump somehow overfed the fish of a foreign leader.

Libel is when you say or write something misleading in order to damage someone's reputation.

So yes or no: is what CNN did libel?

A misleading video? Lol they literally just aired regular footage. And what was the misleading text?

But no, what CNN did was not libel even if we take you at your word. How Trump fed fish is irrelevant and a non story.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Nice tangent of Glenn insulting people.

Now which is it

just because someone doesn't go out of their way to respond to a libelous accusation doesn't mean the accusation is true.
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People here think they're smarter than Mal, but they're the ones falling for obvious bait

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME

You guys are as messed up in the head as he is.
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Southernfatman posted...

People here think they're smarter than Mal, but they're the ones falling for obvious bait

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME

You guys are as messed up in the head as he is.

I'm so tired of these posts. Like yeah, we know he's a troll, why would you just assume we don't know that? Maybe we're doing exactly what we want to be doing atm, maybe we don't have to defend our actions to you. Maybe mind your own business. But just maybe.
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Explain to me how Trump can possibly be Hitler when Hitler was an actual person?
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I think the most striking comparison with Hitler is the way Trump addresses the press. His fake news mantra is very similar to the "Lgenpresse" slogan. Of course one can sit and make more comparisons if one wishes, but it feels so done.
If you really want to discuss the merits of Trump being fascist or fascistoid (which Mal_Fet certainly doesn't - for one he thinks he has the one true definition of fascism while actual experts still disagree), feel free to listen to people who actually do research about fascism:

http://www.versopolis.com/long-read/440/is-trump-really-a-fascist
Kevin Passmore is a professor of history at Cardiff University and the author of A Very Short Guide to Fascism.

After decades of research, academicsmyself includedhave been unable to agree on the proper definition of a fascist. Some see it as a conservative ideology, protecting property and capitalism; others see it as reshaping society in the name of revolutionary nationalism.
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So what are the similarities and differences between Fascism, Nazism, and the modern far right? Confining our attention to the question of legitimacy, the modern far right, like the Fascists and Nazis, claims to represent the people against the liberal elite, especially the press. Trump boasts that he takes his message directly to the people. Indeed, Trumps words sometimes seem like a direct borrowing of Nazi terms. The Presidents expression lying press echoes the slogan of Pegida and the AfD in Germany, which in turn echo Nazi denunciations of the lying press (Lgenpresse). Another similarity is the support for the modern far right of often wealthy and powerful conservative elementsin neither the U.S. nor Europe is the far right simply a movement of the disaffected working class. There are well-documented struggles within far-right movements to define its direction.

Notwithstanding the populism common among the far rights of then and now, a major difference is that these days there is no equivalent of the mass paramilitary movement, able to subvert constitutional politics by the threat or reality of violence. Of course, there are violent tendencies within modern movements, encouraged by Trump among others. The racist language of the far right encourages attacks on minorities, and there are violent groups attached to movements such as the English Defence League. But the far right these days has not engaged in the systematic destruction of trade unions or socialist local governments and other potential threats to their power that happened in Italy. In Germany, Nazi violence prior to winning power was much less extensive, but in power it went much further than the Italian regime.

So try to read Mal's posts less, and historians' posts more. And I don't mean "historian" in the very silly technical way that "everyone who studies history is a historian", I mean actual authorities on the subject.
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Bio1590 posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Over 5 hours later and he's still going.

When was the last time someone spent 5 hours trying to argue over and defend someone they pretend to not support?

Approaching 10 hours now.

And we blew by 12 hours and he kept going through the night. What the fuck guys.
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The most Hitlerian thing Trump did is to empower stupid people to annoy the thinking majority.

Hence these threads.
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scar the 1 posted...

actual facts

Hey now, Trump and Hitler are COMPLETELY different....Hitler was obviously far left duh!!!!!!!!!!!!

/s
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

scar the 1 posted...

actual facts

Hey now, Trump and Hitler are COMPLETELY different....Hitler was obviously far left duh!!!!!!!!!!!!

/s

To be fair, I don't think I posted much in terms of actual facts, rather just opinions from someone far more qualified than Mal_Fet.
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scar the 1 posted...

So what are the similarities and differences between Fascism, Nazism, and the modern far right? Confining our attention to the question of legitimacy, the modern far right, like the Fascists and Nazis, claims to represent the people against the liberal elite, especially the press.

Just like that notorious right-winger Vladimir Lenin

scar the 1 posted...

Trump boasts that he takes his message directly to the people.

Just like that notorious right-winger Franklin D. Roosevelt.

scar the 1 posted...

The Presidents expression lying press echoes the slogan of Pegida and the AfD in Germany, which in turn echo Nazi denunciations of the lying press (Lgenpresse).

Just like the term "fake news", coined by that notorious right-wing news outlet, The Washington Post.

scar the 1 posted...

Another similarity is the support for the modern far right of often wealthy and powerful conservative elements

Just like that notorious right-winger Hillary Clinton.

scar the 1 posted...

Notwithstanding the populism common among the far rights of then and now, a major difference is that these days there is no equivalent of the mass paramilitary movement, able to subvert constitutional politics by the threat or reality of violence.

Just like how that notorious right-wing former president, Barack Obama, would abuse the espionage act more times than all previous presidents combined to imprison whistleblowers who revealed illegal practices by his administration.

Isn't it amazing how literally every allegation of Trump being a fascist is actually equally, if not more, applicable to the left?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Fascism was one of these offshoots, as was Leninism, as was Maoism, as was Trotskyism, etc etc. Saying Fascism isn't Marxism because fascists thought they were better than regular socialists is like saying Maoists aren't Marxists because they thought they were better than regular socialists.

The difference here is that Leninism, Maoism and Trotskyism still held inherent Marxist values such as the revolution and the uplifting of the Proletariat. Fascism does not encompass any Marxist theory. It is simply that the state should be totalitarian and absolute - which is at odds to the end goal of Marxism.

Mal_Fet posted...

Fascists believe the state and the individual should be one and the same, which is essentially what Communism would, in theory, be.

This is bullshit. Fascism believes in a central authoritarian governmental regime. There's nothing in fascist thought that indicates that the state would "merge" with the individuals. It dictates what the individual should do. And in the perfect fascist society, the individual would obey. At its core, fascism very clearly proposes a single country ruled by a single party, dominated by either a dictator/monarch or a small group of people.
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It is hilarious how even true Libertarians dismiss Mal so easily
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_Near_ posted...

This is bulls***.

You can say that all day, but Mal will not acknowledge that anyone except him knows what fascism is no matter what you say. Unless maybe if you agree with him :)
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