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Lorenzo_2003 01/13/18 1:27:49 PM #103:	thanosibe posted... Lorenzo_2003 posted... If we are just going by definitions, then, yes, I suppose it is discriminatory. This doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you feel it's justified. So then homosexual men are discriminating against women and heterosexual men are discriminating men and homosexual women are discriminating against men? I guess bisexual people are the only non discriminatory group? Well... yeah. Lol, I don't know what else needs to be said. Go ahead and look up the definition of discrimination or discriminatory. You can like what (whom) you like, of course. I like women, so obviously I am discriminating against guys, non-adult females and so on. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:893971378] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote>If we are just going by definitions, then, yes, I suppose it is discriminatory. This doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you feel it's justified.</quote>So then homosexual men are discriminating against women and heterosexual men are discriminating men and homosexual women are discriminating against men? I guess bisexual people are the only non discriminatory group?</quote> Well... yeah. Lol, I don't know what else needs to be said. Go ahead and look up the definition of discrimination or discriminatory. You can like what (whom) you like, of course. I like women, so obviously I am discriminating against guys, non-adult females and so on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/13/18 1:28:12 PM #104:	darkjedilink posted... hockeybub89 posted... KillerKhan420 posted... I will not fuck a man in the ass, even if he tries to act like a woman. Yeah, but what does that have to do with a topic about women? It didn't say "Will you butt fuck a crossdresser?" What are the chromosomes of a transwoman, again? What genitals were they born with, again? If you were the exact same person born with different chromosomes, would you consider yourself a woman? I know I wouldn't for myself. Next you'll tell me the Earth is the center of the universe and the Four Humors are a thing. What we know changes all the time. It doesn't matter what you were taught. No sense in clinging to old teachings. All this silly rigamarole from people about the trans issue smells a lot more like being stuck in ways than everyone suddenly being a qualified doctor/biologist/geneticist/etc. "Sex and gender are the same thing and being born with certain chromosomes or genitals means you can't be a man or woman". Ok, but what if those things don't necessarily mean that? What exactly about that thought is so upsetting to people? It's not like it's a personal attack. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:893971409] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KillerKhan420 posted...</cite> <quote>I will not fuck a man in the ass, even if he tries to act like a woman.</quote> Yeah, but what does that have to do with a topic about women? It didn't say "Will you butt fuck a crossdresser?"</quote> What are the chromosomes of a transwoman, again? What genitals were they born with, again?</quote> If you were the exact same person born with different chromosomes, would you consider yourself a woman? I know I wouldn't for myself. Next you'll tell me the Earth is the center of the universe and the Four Humors are a thing. What we know changes all the time. It doesn't matter what you were taught. No sense in clinging to old teachings. All this silly rigamarole from people about the trans issue smells a lot more like being stuck in ways than everyone suddenly being a qualified doctor/biologist/geneticist/etc. "Sex and gender are the same thing and being born with certain chromosomes or genitals means you can't be a man or woman". Ok, but what if those things don't necessarily mean that? What exactly about that thought is so upsetting to people? It's not like it's a personal attack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 01/13/18 1:30:27 PM #106:	SuperNamekGod posted... Society isn't doing anything to change natural sexual attraction. this is incorrect. people's preferences are heavily informed by their surroundings, and they vary greatly across different cultures. in many cultures, body hair on women is considered attractive. in ancient greece, large penises were considered comical. Straight guys aren't going to be into other guys no matter what the amount of hormones and chemicals the man has been given to appear like a woman. then it's a good thing that trans women aren't men MrPeppers posted... averagejoel posted... correct. and as I said earlier, preferences are informed by society. our society is transphobic, so it's feasible that this could be reflected in people's preferences I thought you stated that orientation was not a preference. If someone is heterosexual and identifies as cisgendered, how would it be considered preference then, specifically for a pre-op? I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. can you clarify? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893971557] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperNamekGod posted...</cite> <quote>Society isn't doing anything to change natural sexual attraction.</quote> this is incorrect. people's preferences are heavily informed by their surroundings, and they vary greatly across different cultures. in many cultures, body hair on women is considered attractive. in ancient greece, large penises were considered comical. <quote>Straight guys aren't going to be into other guys no matter what the amount of hormones and chemicals the man has been given to appear like a woman.</quote> then it's a good thing that trans women aren't men <cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>correct. and as I said earlier, preferences are informed by society. our society is transphobic, so it's feasible that this could be reflected in people's preferences</quote> I thought you stated that orientation was not a preference. If someone is heterosexual and identifies as cisgendered, how would it be considered preference then, specifically for a pre-op?</quote> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. can you clarify?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 01/13/18 1:31:38 PM #107:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... thanosibe posted... Lorenzo_2003 posted... If we are just going by definitions, then, yes, I suppose it is discriminatory. This doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you feel it's justified. So then homosexual men are discriminating against women and heterosexual men are discriminating men and homosexual women are discriminating against men? I guess bisexual people are the only non discriminatory group? Well... yeah. Lol, I don't know what else needs to be said. Go ahead and look up the definition of discrimination or discriminatory. You can like what (whom) you like, of course. I like women, so obviously I am discriminating against guys, non-adult females and so on. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to be snarky. Sorry if I did. I was just curious if we were on the same line of thought. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:893971627] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote>If we are just going by definitions, then, yes, I suppose it is discriminatory. This doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you feel it's justified.</quote>So then homosexual men are discriminating against women and heterosexual men are discriminating men and homosexual women are discriminating against men? I guess bisexual people are the only non discriminatory group?</quote> Well... yeah. Lol, I don't know what else needs to be said. Go ahead and look up the definition of discrimination or discriminatory. You can like what (whom) you like, of course. I like women, so obviously I am discriminating against guys, non-adult females and so on.</quote>Fair enough. I wasn't trying to be snarky. Sorry if I did. I was just curious if we were on the same line of thought.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperNamekGod 01/13/18 1:32:30 PM #108:	If you were born with different chromosomes you wouldn't be the same person. That whole hypothetical is stupid. --- Questlove, you not in the house. <cite>SuperNamekGod posted [p:893971686] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>If you were born with different chromosomes you wouldn't be the same person. That whole hypothetical is stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/13/18 1:33:13 PM #109:	darkjedilink posted... hockeybub89 posted... thelovefist posted... Because it is one of most base instincts all biological life fucking has? To reproduce... Trans people aside, then why are there millions of gay people and straight people that flat choose not to have children? Are they all broken? Actually, yeah. What specifically is broken within a straight person in a serious relationship, who has no known mental issues and an active sex life? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:893971738] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Because it is one of most base instincts all biological life fucking has? To reproduce...</quote> Trans people aside, then why are there millions of gay people and straight people that flat choose not to have children? Are they all broken?</quote> Actually, yeah.</quote> What specifically is broken within a straight person in a serious relationship, who has no known mental issues and an active sex life?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 01/13/18 1:34:07 PM #110:	No And it's not racist to only date your own race or not date a specific race or races. So long as you treat people with dignity and common courtesy regardless of who they are. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:893971811] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>No And it's not racist to only date your own race or not date a specific race or races. So long as you treat people with dignity and common courtesy regardless of who they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/13/18 1:36:12 PM #111:	16-BITTER posted... hockeybub89 posted... KillerKhan420 posted... I will not fuck a man in the ass, even if he tries to act like a woman. Yeah, but what does that have to do with a topic about women? It didn't say "Will you butt fuck a crossdresser?" When you act like transwomen are entirely indistinguishable from biological women you are just as ignorant as those that act like they're entirely indistinguishable from other men. They aren't entirely indistinguishable. All I said is they are women. They either all are men or all are women. That isn't a point that can really be compromised and still make sense. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:893971919] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KillerKhan420 posted...</cite> <quote>I will not fuck a man in the ass, even if he tries to act like a woman.</quote> Yeah, but what does that have to do with a topic about women? It didn't say "Will you butt fuck a crossdresser?"</quote> When you act like transwomen are entirely indistinguishable from biological women you are just as ignorant as those that act like they're entirely indistinguishable from other men.</quote> They aren't entirely indistinguishable. All I said is they are women. They either all are men or all are women. That isn't a point that can really be compromised and still make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/13/18 1:45:33 PM #112:	16-BITTER posted... hockeybub89 posted... If you were the exact same person born with different chromosomes, would you consider yourself a woman? I know I wouldn't for myself. Well then you wouldn't be the exact same person, would you? You (current you) wouldn't even be able to speak for this theoretical you, who knows what you would consider yourself? "You said exact and then mentioned a difference" is a pretty lame counter. That was obviously a turn of phrase. Does no one get hypotheticals anymore? Assume the only thing different about you was gaining an X or losing a penis. Assume you were otherwise the same person. How that could happen is irrelevant. I can change it to your to current brain being stuck into a different meatsack if that will make you feel better. Or will someone remind me that brain transplants are currently not viable or ethical? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:893972491] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If you were the exact same person born with different chromosomes, would you consider yourself a woman? I know I wouldn't for myself. </quote> Well then you wouldn't be the exact same person, would you? You (current you) wouldn't even be able to speak for this theoretical you, who knows what you would consider yourself?</quote> "You said exact and then mentioned a difference" is a pretty lame counter. That was obviously a turn of phrase. Does no one get hypotheticals anymore? Assume the only thing different about you was gaining an X or losing a penis. Assume you were otherwise the same person. How that could happen is irrelevant. I can change it to your to current brain being stuck into a different meatsack if that will make you feel better. Or will someone remind me that brain transplants are currently not viable or ethical?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VectorChaos 01/13/18 1:54:41 PM #115:	Only in the eyes of the regressive Ctrl-Left lunatics. I see a few of their emissaries in this topic shitting it up already. --- PSN VectorChaos http://i.imgur.com/ftMERkZ.jpg XBL Vector Chaos http://i.imgur.com/10hWZ95.png http://i.imgur.com/MZMOLx0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/R2jRl8F.jpg <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:893973031] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>Only in the eyes of the regressive Ctrl-Left lunatics. I see a few of their emissaries in this topic shitting it up already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 01/13/18 1:55:30 PM #116:	16-BITTER posted... There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people. and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893973072] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people.</quote> and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 01/13/18 2:01:16 PM #118:	16-BITTER posted... But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier. then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893973437] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier.</quote> then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 01/13/18 2:02:13 PM #119:	averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people. and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:893973498] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people.</quote> and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming</quote>The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/13/18 2:06:04 PM #120:	16-BITTER posted... hockeybub89 posted... Assume the only thing different about you was gaining an X or losing a penis. Assume you were otherwise the same person. How that could happen is irrelevant. I can change it to your to current brain being stuck into a different meatsack if that will make you feel better. Or will someone remind me that brain transplants are currently not viable or ethical? I'm saying since you aren't a biologist or neurologist or a genetic engineer, you have no idea how that small change will affect you psychologically. Same goes with the brain transplant. You don't know that nothing will change about your personality. In other words, I'm saying your hypothetical is valueless because this "assume you were otherwise the same person, how that could happen is irrelevant" is very relevant because it couldn't happen. I'm talking about adjusting to changes in the world and apparently I'm having a hard time adjusting to the death of the hypothetical. "But are you an expert and seer who knows exactly how killing a butterfly would change the universe?" Fuck it. In non-hypothetical terms, trans people seem to have what amounts to an incompatibility issue. Does the body determine who you are? Does the brain? Do both? It certainly doesn't seem like "penis = man" is as simple as we once thought it was. And is that because knowledge evolves or because of some nefarious political agenda despite trans people existing forever? And since humans have not existed literally forever, I really mean seemingly a long time within human history. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:893973736] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Assume the only thing different about you was gaining an X or losing a penis. Assume you were otherwise the same person. How that could happen is irrelevant. I can change it to your to current brain being stuck into a different meatsack if that will make you feel better. Or will someone remind me that brain transplants are currently not viable or ethical?</quote> I'm saying since you aren't a biologist or neurologist or a genetic engineer, you have no idea how that small change will affect you psychologically. Same goes with the brain transplant. You don't know that nothing will change about your personality. In other words, I'm saying your hypothetical is valueless because this "assume you were otherwise the same person, how that could happen is irrelevant" is very relevant because it couldn't happen.</quote> I'm talking about adjusting to changes in the world and apparently I'm having a hard time adjusting to the death of the hypothetical. "But are you an expert and seer who knows exactly how killing a butterfly would change the universe?" Fuck it. In non-hypothetical terms, trans people seem to have what amounts to an incompatibility issue. Does the body determine who you are? Does the brain? Do both? It certainly doesn't seem like "penis = man" is as simple as we once thought it was. And is that because knowledge evolves or because of some nefarious political agenda despite trans people existing forever? And since humans have not existed literally forever, I really mean seemingly a long time within human history.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeanAuryn 01/13/18 2:08:31 PM #121:	No. I would never date anyone who identifies as female if they were born male. Even if I found that person attractive before I found out. --- I love beautiful women. <cite>DeanAuryn posted [p:893973898] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>No. I would never date anyone who identifies as female if they were born male. Even if I found that person attractive before I found out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperNamekGod 01/13/18 2:08:47 PM #122:	hockeybub89 posted... 16-BITTER posted... hockeybub89 posted... Assume the only thing different about you was gaining an X or losing a penis. Assume you were otherwise the same person. How that could happen is irrelevant. I can change it to your to current brain being stuck into a different meatsack if that will make you feel better. Or will someone remind me that brain transplants are currently not viable or ethical? I'm saying since you aren't a biologist or neurologist or a genetic engineer, you have no idea how that small change will affect you psychologically. Same goes with the brain transplant. You don't know that nothing will change about your personality. In other words, I'm saying your hypothetical is valueless because this "assume you were otherwise the same person, how that could happen is irrelevant" is very relevant because it couldn't happen. I'm talking about adjusting to changes in the world and apparently I'm having a hard time adjusting to the death of the hypothetical. "But are you an expert and seer who knows exactly how killing a butterfly would change the universe?" But society in general in western countries is accepting of trans people and there are people that do want relationships with them. Society isn't influencing anybody on their preference. And no one should just change their preferences because you feel like the world needs to change. --- Questlove, you not in the house. <cite>SuperNamekGod posted [p:893973912] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Assume the only thing different about you was gaining an X or losing a penis. Assume you were otherwise the same person. How that could happen is irrelevant. I can change it to your to current brain being stuck into a different meatsack if that will make you feel better. Or will someone remind me that brain transplants are currently not viable or ethical?</quote> I'm saying since you aren't a biologist or neurologist or a genetic engineer, you have no idea how that small change will affect you psychologically. Same goes with the brain transplant. You don't know that nothing will change about your personality. In other words, I'm saying your hypothetical is valueless because this "assume you were otherwise the same person, how that could happen is irrelevant" is very relevant because it couldn't happen.</quote> I'm talking about adjusting to changes in the world and apparently I'm having a hard time adjusting to the death of the hypothetical. "But are you an expert and seer who knows exactly how killing a butterfly would change the universe?"</quote> But society in general in western countries is accepting of trans people and there are people that do want relationships with them. Society isn't influencing anybody on their preference. And no one should just change their preferences because you feel like the world needs to change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 01/13/18 2:10:18 PM #124:	thanosibe posted... averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people. and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with. outright hate is not the only difficulty that marginalized people face. individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome, and they will never overcome it if they feel comfortable in these prejudices. that's why calling them out is important - to make them feel uncomfortable for having these views --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893974002] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people.</quote> and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming</quote>The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with.</quote> outright hate is not the only difficulty that marginalized people face. individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome, and they will never overcome it if they feel comfortable in these prejudices. that's why calling them out is important - to make them feel uncomfortable for having these views</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 01/13/18 2:12:42 PM #126:	16-BITTER posted... averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier. then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods? The difference is that when Norwegians prefer to date tall blonds no one calls them short-phobic or brunette-phobic. you didn't answer my question --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893974132] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier.</quote> then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods?</quote> The difference is that when Norwegians prefer to date tall blonds no one calls them short-phobic or brunette-phobic.</quote> you didn't answer my question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 01/13/18 2:14:33 PM #128:	16-BITTER posted... averagejoel posted... individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome Society should protect people from hating you, but they can't force anyone to like you. This is across the board for everyone. ok? this doesn't contradict anything I said and you still haven't answered my question --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893974251] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome</quote> Society should protect people from hating you, but they can't force anyone to like you. This is across the board for everyone.</quote> ok? this doesn't contradict anything I said and you still haven't answered my question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/13/18 2:16:09 PM #129:	16-BITTER posted... averagejoel posted... individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome Society should protect people from hating you, but they can't force anyone to like you. This is across the board for everyone. We can force in the sense of never getting complacent. World peace may be a pipe dream, but complacency just breeds issues. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:893974347] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome</quote> Society should protect people from hating you, but they can't force anyone to like you. This is across the board for everyone.</quote> We can force in the sense of never getting complacent. World peace may be a pipe dream, but complacency just breeds issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 01/13/18 2:19:14 PM #132:	16-BITTER posted... averagejoel posted... and you still haven't answered my question Because you're talking about fashion trends. That has nothing to do with sexual preference. I wasn't talking about fashion trends. I was talking about sexual preference I'll restate the question: if you, as you say, "reject the notion" that society informs sexual preferences, how do you explain the drastic differences in sexual preferences across cultures and time periods? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893974508] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>and you still haven't answered my question </quote> Because you're talking about fashion trends. That has nothing to do with sexual preference.</quote> I wasn't talking about fashion trends. I was talking about sexual preference I'll restate the question: if you, as you say, "reject the notion" that society informs sexual preferences, how do you explain the drastic differences in sexual preferences across cultures and time periods?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/13/18 2:19:54 PM #133:	DeanAuryn posted... No. I would never date anyone who identifies as female if they were born male. Even if I found that person attractive before I found out. This reminds me of my grandmother who would enjoy a meal and then puke when she found out what was in it. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:893974546] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>DeanAuryn posted...</cite> <quote>No. I would never date anyone who identifies as female if they were born male. Even if I found that person attractive before I found out.</quote> This reminds me of my grandmother who would enjoy a meal and then puke when she found out what was in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeanAuryn 01/13/18 2:21:57 PM #134:	hockeybub89 posted... DeanAuryn posted... No. I would never date anyone who identifies as female if they were born male. Even if I found that person attractive before I found out. This reminds me of my grandmother who would enjoy a meal and then puke when she found out what was in it. I can relate to that. --- I love beautiful women. <cite>DeanAuryn posted [p:893974649] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DeanAuryn posted...</cite> <quote>No. I would never date anyone who identifies as female if they were born male. Even if I found that person attractive before I found out.</quote> This reminds me of my grandmother who would enjoy a meal and then puke when she found out what was in it.</quote> I can relate to that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrojanPony 01/13/18 2:24:46 PM #135:	I am fully allowed and expected to discriminate in my dating practices. I can refuse to date anyone on any grounds I please and it is not subject to discussion or criticism. <cite>TrojanPony posted [p:893974828] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>I am fully allowed and expected to discriminate in my dating practices. I can refuse to date anyone on any grounds I please and it is not subject to discussion or criticism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 01/13/18 2:25:43 PM #136:	averagejoel posted... thanosibe posted... averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people. and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with. outright hate is not the only difficulty that marginalized people face. individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome, and they will never overcome it if they feel comfortable in these prejudices. that's why calling them out is important - to make them feel uncomfortable for having these views You are under the delusion that someone not actively seeking out a transgendered person for a romantic or sexual relationship is thereby doing harm to them. If you can get past this false pretense than maybe you could move forward in this debate instead mired in the rut you are in. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:893974867] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people.</quote> and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming</quote>The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with.</quote> outright hate is not the only difficulty that marginalized people face. individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome, and they will never overcome it if they feel comfortable in these prejudices. that's why calling them out is important - to make them feel uncomfortable for having these views</quote>You are under the delusion that someone not actively seeking out a transgendered person for a romantic or sexual relationship is thereby doing harm to them. If you can get past this false pretense than maybe you could move forward in this debate instead mired in the rut you are in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingCrabCake 01/13/18 2:27:42 PM #138:	Nope its a preference. Same with nit wanting to date to a religion, race, or fat chick. Nothing wrong with it --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893974986] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>Nope its a preference. Same with nit wanting to date to a religion, race, or fat chick. Nothing wrong with it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 01/13/18 2:32:28 PM #139:	thanosibe posted... averagejoel posted... thanosibe posted... averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people. and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with. outright hate is not the only difficulty that marginalized people face. individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome, and they will never overcome it if they feel comfortable in these prejudices. that's why calling them out is important - to make them feel uncomfortable for having these views You are under the delusion that someone not actively seeking out a transgendered person for a romantic or sexual relationship is thereby doing harm to them. If you can get past this false pretense than maybe you could move forward in this debate instead mired in the rut you are in. ... what I literally never said anything like that, in this topic or ever. don't misrepresent my words. 16-BITTER posted... averagejoel posted... how do you explain the drastic differences in sexual preferences across cultures and time periods? There's nothing to explain because the differences aren't drastic. Not sure in what culture the main sexual preference wasn't strong attractive men and fertile attractive female. That's millions of years of evolution dictating that, before "society" even existed. whether or not the differences are "drastic" is irrelevant to my point. try responding to the whole thing rather than just that one word, thanks --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893975264] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people.</quote> and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming</quote>The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with.</quote> outright hate is not the only difficulty that marginalized people face. individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome, and they will never overcome it if they feel comfortable in these prejudices. that's why calling them out is important - to make them feel uncomfortable for having these views</quote>You are under the delusion that someone not actively seeking out a transgendered person for a romantic or sexual relationship is thereby doing harm to them. If you can get past this false pretense than maybe you could move forward in this debate instead mired in the rut you are in.</quote> ... what I literally never said anything like that, in this topic or ever. don't misrepresent my words. <cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how do you explain the drastic differences in sexual preferences across cultures and time periods?</quote> There's nothing to explain because the differences aren't drastic. Not sure in what culture the main sexual preference wasn't strong attractive men and fertile attractive female. That's millions of years of evolution dictating that, before "society" even existed.</quote> whether or not the differences are "drastic" is irrelevant to my point. try responding to the whole thing rather than just that one word, thanks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/13/18 2:35:51 PM #140:	https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination Yes, by definition. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:893975441] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination Yes, by definition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 01/13/18 2:39:26 PM #141:	16-BITTER posted... You're really taking this whole thing on quite the tangent. It's not trans-phobic to not want to date a trans-person, regardless of whether society was against it or if we were in some other society where the majority of the population were trans. have you listened to a single thing I've said? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893975642] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>You're really taking this whole thing on quite the tangent. It's not trans-phobic to not want to date a trans-person, regardless of whether society was against it or if we were in some other society where the majority of the population were trans.</quote> have you listened to a single thing I've said?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 01/13/18 2:40:07 PM #142:	averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier. then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods? A person's perception of attractiveness begins at childhood based upon an averaging of the people they encounter. That is to say what a person perceives as attractive when looking for a partner depends upon all the people they have seen in life with features close to the mental average are seen as attractive and deviations are seen as unattractive. It probably wouldn't be a stretch to say that something like this is how a mind registers what it believes to be the most attractive face: --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:893975674] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier.</quote> then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods?</quote> A person's perception of attractiveness begins at childhood based upon an averaging of the people they encounter. That is to say what a person perceives as attractive when looking for a partner depends upon all the people they have seen in life with features close to the mental average are seen as attractive and deviations are seen as unattractive. It probably wouldn't be a stretch to say that something like this is how a mind registers what it believes to be the most attractive face: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 01/13/18 2:42:24 PM #143:	Paragon21XX posted... averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier. then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods? A person's perception of attractiveness begins at childhood based upon an averaging of the people they encounter. That is to say what a person perceives as attractive when looking for a partner depends upon all the people they have seen in life with features close to the mental average are seen as attractive and deviations are seen as unattractive. It probably wouldn't be a stretch to say that something like this is how a mind registers what it believes to be the most attractive face: I'm not sure if you intended this to be an argument against me, but this actually supports my point --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893975805] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier.</quote> then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods?</quote> A person's perception of attractiveness begins at childhood based upon an averaging of the people they encounter. That is to say what a person perceives as attractive when looking for a partner depends upon all the people they have seen in life with features close to the mental average are seen as attractive and deviations are seen as unattractive. It probably wouldn't be a stretch to say that something like this is how a mind registers what it believes to be the most attractive face: </quote> I'm not sure if you intended this to be an argument against me, but this actually supports my point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 01/13/18 2:49:48 PM #144:	averagejoel posted... Paragon21XX posted... averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier. then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods? A person's perception of attractiveness begins at childhood based upon an averaging of the people they encounter. That is to say what a person perceives as attractive when looking for a partner depends upon all the people they have seen in life with features close to the mental average are seen as attractive and deviations are seen as unattractive. It probably wouldn't be a stretch to say that something like this is how a mind registers what it believes to be the most attractive face: I'm not sure if you intended this to be an argument against me, but this actually supports my point No, it doesn't. You are saying society actively tells us what we should see as attractive as if other people's opinions can influence our perception. I'm saying the mind decides for itself who is attractive even in the absence of others deciding who is or who is not attractive. You say nurture, I say nature. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:893976226] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>But I reject the notion that society informs their preferences to begin with, as I mentioned earlier.</quote> then how do you explain the fact that popular preferences in people's appearance differ drastically across cultures and time periods?</quote> A person's perception of attractiveness begins at childhood based upon an averaging of the people they encounter. That is to say what a person perceives as attractive when looking for a partner depends upon all the people they have seen in life with features close to the mental average are seen as attractive and deviations are seen as unattractive. It probably wouldn't be a stretch to say that something like this is how a mind registers what it believes to be the most attractive face: </quote> I'm not sure if you intended this to be an argument against me, but this actually supports my point</quote> No, it doesn't. You are saying society actively tells us what we should see as attractive as if other people's opinions can influence our perception. I'm saying the mind decides for itself who is attractive even in the absence of others deciding who is or who is not attractive. You say nurture, I say nature.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 01/13/18 3:08:03 PM #145:	Paragon21XX posted... No, it doesn't. You are saying society actively tells us what we should see as attractive as if other people's opinions can influence our perception. I'm saying the mind decides for itself who is attractive even in the absence of others deciding who is or who is not attractive. You say nurture, I say nature. different cultures have varying perceptions of beauty. that was a major part of my point. you're supporting this --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:893977174] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>No, it doesn't. You are saying society actively tells us what we should see as attractive as if other people's opinions can influence our perception. I'm saying the mind decides for itself who is attractive even in the absence of others deciding who is or who is not attractive. You say nurture, I say nature.</quote> different cultures have varying perceptions of beauty. that was a major part of my point. you're supporting this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 01/13/18 3:14:36 PM #146:	averagejoel posted... thanosibe posted... averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people. and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with. outright hate is not the only difficulty that marginalized people face. individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome, and they will never overcome it if they feel comfortable in these prejudices. that's why calling them out is important - to make them feel uncomfortable for having these views You can't shame and browbeat people into changing their sexual orientation. You've gone so far "progressive" that you now sound not much different than evangelicals on this matter. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:893977499] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>There's a clear difference between having a friendly/work/acquaintance relationship and an intimate/sexual one. When it comes to the latter, no one should be shamed for wanting or not wanting to be with certain kinds of people.</quote> and, as I mentioned earlier: acknowledging that a person's preferences are informed by society, and that they therefore might be transphobic, is not the same thing as shaming</quote>The whole transphobic and homophobic label is in of itself unproductive if not all together regressive. Are there people who hate (and act on it) homosexual and transgendered people. Yes there are. Are there people that have no interest in the same gender or transgendered people for a romantic or sexual relationship. Yes there are. Bundling those two demographics under one label is not only regressive but unnecessary to the acceptance and normalization of all sexual preferences. Treat all people with dignity, respect and kindness and as far as I'm concerned it matters none who you get in bed with.</quote> outright hate is not the only difficulty that marginalized people face. individual prejudice is something that people have to overcome, and they will never overcome it if they feel comfortable in these prejudices. that's why calling them out is important - to make them feel uncomfortable for having these views</quote> You can't shame and browbeat people into changing their sexual orientation. You've gone so far "progressive" that you now sound not much different than evangelicals on this matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/13/18 3:22:38 PM #147:	Anyone saying transphobic has to be trolling --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893977904] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>Anyone saying transphobic has to be trolling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 01/13/18 3:38:54 PM #148:	averagejoel posted... 16-BITTER posted... You're really taking this whole thing on quite the tangent. It's not trans-phobic to not want to date a trans-person, regardless of whether society was against it or if we were in some other society where the majority of the population were trans. have you listened to a single thing I've said? Why should we listen to you when you've yet so say a single correct thing in the history of GameFAQs? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:893978806] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>You're really taking this whole thing on quite the tangent. It's not trans-phobic to not want to date a trans-person, regardless of whether society was against it or if we were in some other society where the majority of the population were trans.</quote> have you listened to a single thing I've said?</quote> Why should we listen to you when you've yet so say a single correct thing in the history of GameFAQs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 01/13/18 3:56:48 PM #149:	averagejoel posted... Paragon21XX posted... No, it doesn't. You are saying society actively tells us what we should see as attractive as if other people's opinions can influence our perception. I'm saying the mind decides for itself who is attractive even in the absence of others deciding who is or who is not attractive. You say nurture, I say nature. different cultures have varying perceptions of beauty. that was a major part of my point. you're supporting this But you fail to understand why various cultures perceive beauty the way that they do. Society determines absolutely nothing at all about beauty, only reflects a general consensus. You can tell a person from childhood that the morbidly obese with BMIs well over 40 are the most beautiful people and parade them around as such (just like our fashion industry has done with the extremely underweight). But if you raise the child around people with an average BMI of 20, he'll see those with a BMI of 20 as the truly beautiful, not the obese, because beauty is literally in the eye of the beholder, not in the eyes of society. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:893979824] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>No, it doesn't. You are saying society actively tells us what we should see as attractive as if other people's opinions can influence our perception. I'm saying the mind decides for itself who is attractive even in the absence of others deciding who is or who is not attractive. You say nurture, I say nature.</quote> different cultures have varying perceptions of beauty. that was a major part of my point. you're supporting this</quote> But you fail to understand why various cultures perceive beauty the way that they do. Society determines absolutely nothing at all about beauty, only reflects a general consensus. You can tell a person from childhood that the morbidly obese with BMIs well over 40 are the most beautiful people and parade them around as such (just like our fashion industry has done with the extremely underweight). But if you raise the child around people with an average BMI of 20, he'll see those with a BMI of 20 as the truly beautiful, not the obese, because beauty is literally in the eye of the beholder, not in the eyes of society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeanAuryn 01/13/18 3:59:31 PM #150:	You guys are taking this shit way too seriously. --- I love beautiful women. <cite>DeanAuryn posted [p:893979952] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>You guys are taking this shit way too seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 01/13/18 4:07:42 PM #151:	Anyone who says it is needs a kick in the ass. Nobody can dictate who you find attractive. It's no different than refusing to date a person with too many freckles or because they're too religious or something. If an aspect of them is off putting to you, that's the reality of the situation. Only the fringy, hardline SJWs see things as "everyone should be equally beautiful to everyone else" but when you're unattractive (and many of them are), your argument can't be considered objective. If you're not hurting anybody, that's all others can ask. Be tolerant and like who you want. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:893980402] in Is it disc... [t:76194993]...</cite> <quote>Anyone who says it is needs a kick in the ass. Nobody can dictate who you find attractive. It's no different than refusing to date a person with too many freckles or because they're too religious or something. If an aspect of them is off putting to you, that's the reality of the situation. Only the fringy, hardline SJWs see things as "everyone should be equally beautiful to everyone else" but when you're unattractive (and many of them are), your argument can't be considered objective. If you're not hurting anybody, that's all others can ask. Be tolerant and like who you want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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