Current Events > ''Baizuo'' is the new Chinese word for "white leftists"

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Mal_Fet
01/11/18 3:44:58 PM
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaliberties/chenchen-zhang/curious-rise-of-white-left-as-chinese-internet-insult

https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/imagecache/article_xlarge/wysiwyg_imageupload/549501/140068806_b8cac11154_z.jpg

So what does white left mean in the Chinese context, and whats behind the rise of its (negative) popularity? It might not be an easy task to define the term, for as a social media buzzword and very often an instrument for ad hominem attack, it could mean different things for different people. A thread on why well-educated elites in the west are seen as nave white left in China on Zhihu, a question-and-answer website said to have a high percentage of active users who are professionals and intellectuals, might serve as a starting point.

The question has received more than 400 answers from Zhihu users, which include some of the most representative perceptions of the 'white left'. Although the emphasis varies, baizuo is used generally to describe those who only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment and have no sense of real problems in the real world; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority; they are obsessed with political correctness to the extent that they tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism; they believe in the welfare state that benefits only the idle and the free riders; they are the ignorant and arrogant westerners who pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours.

Wow. I know how easy it is to think of the Chinese as being somehow apart from our politics, but it's amazing how apt their understanding of leftism is
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ChromaticAngel
01/11/18 3:46:08 PM
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China massacred thousands of their own protestors and sent the bill for the bullets to their family members.
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mario2000
01/11/18 3:50:19 PM
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immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?
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EverDownward
01/11/18 3:51:59 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
China massacred thousands of their own protestors and sent the bill for the bullets to their family members.

You sound upset, baizuo
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UnfairRepresent
01/11/18 3:52:10 PM
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mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

I think the issue is things like justice, defense and economy are mroe important or at least equally.

Gay marriage and transgenders in your bathroom won't mean much if you're being bombed and there is no money
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ForestLogic
01/11/18 3:52:45 PM
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I'm not a big fan of China as a nation but damn that's apt.

It's a good word too since cuck was adopted by alt-right shitbags so moderates need a new derogatory term for the left.
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MrBobGray
01/11/18 3:52:51 PM
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Like I give a fuck what the Chinese think about western government.
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mario2000
01/11/18 3:53:01 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

I think the issue is things like justice, defense and economy are mroe important or at least equally.

Gay marriage and transgenders in your bathroom won't mean much if you're being bombed and there is no money

are we being bombed right now?

are we lacking in money?
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mario2000
01/11/18 3:54:36 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDemocracy

It has been funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundations among other organisations including the Ford Foundation and Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust.[1]

uh oh!

you suuuuuuuure about this source, tc?
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hockeybub89
01/11/18 3:55:17 PM
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Endofall
01/11/18 3:55:48 PM
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mario2000 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

I think the issue is things like justice, defense and economy are mroe important or at least equally.

Gay marriage and transgenders in your bathroom won't mean much if you're being bombed and there is no money

are we being bombed right now?

are we lacking in money?


tbh, to the Chinese you certainly are.
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UnfairRepresent
01/11/18 3:55:52 PM
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mario2000 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

I think the issue is things like justice, defense and economy are mroe important or at least equally.

Gay marriage and transgenders in your bathroom won't mean much if you're being bombed and there is no money

are we being bombed right now?

are we lacking in money?

No but the people ensuring that tend to be the ones least receptive to social justice.
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MC_BatCommander
01/11/18 3:56:11 PM
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Soooo they saw some SJWs online and came up with their own word for SJW?

Very apt.
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mario2000
01/11/18 3:58:45 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
mario2000 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

I think the issue is things like justice, defense and economy are mroe important or at least equally.

Gay marriage and transgenders in your bathroom won't mean much if you're being bombed and there is no money

are we being bombed right now?

are we lacking in money?

No but the people ensuring that tend to be the ones least receptive to social justice.

don't the people who defend us from being bombed do it so we CAN focus on issues like gay marriage and gender equality?
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Zeeak4444
01/11/18 3:58:49 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaliberties/chenchen-zhang/curious-rise-of-white-left-as-chinese-internet-insult

https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/imagecache/article_xlarge/wysiwyg_imageupload/549501/140068806_b8cac11154_z.jpg

So what does white left mean in the Chinese context, and whats behind the rise of its (negative) popularity? It might not be an easy task to define the term, for as a social media buzzword and very often an instrument for ad hominem attack, it could mean different things for different people. A thread on why well-educated elites in the west are seen as nave white left in China on Zhihu, a question-and-answer website said to have a high percentage of active users who are professionals and intellectuals, might serve as a starting point.

The question has received more than 400 answers from Zhihu users, which include some of the most representative perceptions of the 'white left'. Although the emphasis varies, baizuo is used generally to describe those who only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment and have no sense of real problems in the real world; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority; they are obsessed with political correctness to the extent that they tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism; they believe in the welfare state that benefits only the idle and the free riders; they are the ignorant and arrogant westerners who pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours.

Wow. I know how easy it is to think of the Chinese as being somehow apart from our politics, but it's amazing how apt their understanding of leftism is


Wasn't aware you sided with communist when it came to perceiving people.

This is quite the starteling development.
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MB2012
01/11/18 3:59:07 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

I think the issue is things like justice, defense and economy are mroe important or at least equally.

Gay marriage and transgenders in your bathroom won't mean much if you're being bombed and there is no money

Ah yes so ignoring them and pretending they don't exist is obviously the only thing we can do
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Ricemills
01/11/18 3:59:51 PM
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New?
(bai) literally means white, and (zu) literally means left.
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UnfairRepresent
01/11/18 4:04:39 PM
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MB2012 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

I think the issue is things like justice, defense and economy are mroe important or at least equally.

Gay marriage and transgenders in your bathroom won't mean much if you're being bombed and there is no money

Ah yes so ignoring them and pretending they don't exist is obviously the only thing we can do

No one ever said or implied that
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MrBobGray
01/11/18 4:05:25 PM
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Goats posted...
Why do you keep making this topic?


Why are you avoiding the issue?
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Giant_Aspirin
01/11/18 4:06:38 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaliberties/chenchen-zhang/curious-rise-of-white-left-as-chinese-internet-insult

https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/imagecache/article_xlarge/wysiwyg_imageupload/549501/140068806_b8cac11154_z.jpg

So what does white left mean in the Chinese context, and whats behind the rise of its (negative) popularity? It might not be an easy task to define the term, for as a social media buzzword and very often an instrument for ad hominem attack, it could mean different things for different people. A thread on why well-educated elites in the west are seen as nave white left in China on Zhihu, a question-and-answer website said to have a high percentage of active users who are professionals and intellectuals, might serve as a starting point.

The question has received more than 400 answers from Zhihu users, which include some of the most representative perceptions of the 'white left'. Although the emphasis varies, baizuo is used generally to describe those who only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment and have no sense of real problems in the real world; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority; they are obsessed with political correctness to the extent that they tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism; they believe in the welfare state that benefits only the idle and the free riders; they are the ignorant and arrogant westerners who pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours.

Wow. I know how easy it is to think of the Chinese as being somehow apart from our politics, but it's amazing how apt their understanding of leftism is


Wasn't aware you sided with communist when it came to perceiving people.

This is quite the starteling development.


he has no strong convictions other than "leftists are the worst". his entire political identity revolves around figuring out what "the left" is about and then doing/supporting the exact opposite or just something that makes it look bad.
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creativerealms
01/11/18 4:11:34 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

I think the issue is things like justice, defense and economy are mroe important or at least equally.

Gay marriage and transgenders in your bathroom won't mean much if you're being bombed and there is no money

Your correct and the left do care about those things as well.
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Mal_Fet
01/11/18 4:12:41 PM
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mario2000 posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDemocracy

It has been funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundations among other organisations including the Ford Foundation and Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust.[1]

uh oh!

you suuuuuuuure about this source, tc?

When talking about leftism? Yes. You can't abuse them of being harsh to leftism now, can you?
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Mal_Fet
01/11/18 4:13:39 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Wasn't aware you sided with communist when it came to perceiving people.

China isn't communist.
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creativerealms
01/11/18 4:15:06 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Wasn't aware you sided with communist when it came to perceiving people.

China isn't communist.

Wow you want no one to take you serous anymore huh?
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Mal_Fet
01/11/18 4:16:40 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Wasn't aware you sided with communist when it came to perceiving people.

China isn't communist.

Wow you want no one to take you serous anymore huh?

China'economy is highly capitalist.

Only way you can argue otherwise is if you didn't know what communism is.
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FightingGames
01/11/18 4:16:55 PM
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China is on track to becoming a superpower by 2030
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Capn Circus
01/11/18 4:22:43 PM
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Like Trump always said---they're laughing at us.
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hockeybub89
01/11/18 4:26:50 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
creativerealms posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Wasn't aware you sided with communist when it came to perceiving people.

China isn't communist.

Wow you want no one to take you serous anymore huh?

China'economy is highly capitalist.

Only way you can argue otherwise is if you didn't know what communism is.

That might be true, but he should probably hear it from someone besides the guy who thinks Nazis were leftists.
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Ulyanyx
01/11/18 4:29:46 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
China massacred thousands of their own protestors and sent the bill for the bullets to their family members.


I guess when they dissect your political beliefs you do need to deflect and ignore the statement said.
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Mal_Fet
01/11/18 4:40:46 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
That might be true, but he should probably hear it from someone besides the guy who thinks Nazis were leftists.

Because they were

Btw I find it highly amusing how you scoff at the Nazis calling themselves socialists as evidence they're socialist but you insist that the Chinese are communist just because they call themselves communist.
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mario2000
01/11/18 4:43:01 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
mario2000 posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDemocracy

It has been funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundations among other organisations including the Ford Foundation and Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust.[1]

uh oh!

you suuuuuuuure about this source, tc?

When talking about leftism? Yes. You can't abuse them of being harsh to leftism now, can you?

look at this deep state leftist soros fan
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Zeeak4444
01/11/18 4:44:37 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
creativerealms posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Wasn't aware you sided with communist when it came to perceiving people.

China isn't communist.

Wow you want no one to take you serous anymore huh?

China'economy is highly capitalist.

Only way you can argue otherwise is if you didn't know what communism is.

That might be true, but he should probably hear it from someone besides the guy who thinks Nazis were leftists.


But Mal is the king of Dogma.

Actually, he might be second on this board. Idk, its close.
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hockeybub89
01/11/18 4:45:01 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
That might be true, but he should probably hear it from someone besides the guy who thinks Nazis were leftists.

Because they were

Btw I find it highly amusing how you scoff at the Nazis calling themselves socialists as evidence they're socialist but you insist that the Chinese are communist just because they call themselves communist.

Point to where I said that about China. As far as I can see, It's up up in the air what China exactly is. Meanwhile, basically every historian and political analysts seems to agree that the Nazis were right wing. "But socialist is in their name and what is better proof than self-labels?" Yeah, that's why you believe people who call themselves otherkin and view North Korea and the Congo as free democracies.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
01/11/18 4:45:13 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
China massacred thousands of their own protestors and sent the bill for the bullets to their family members.


Dang it got serious real quick...
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NadYobWoc
01/11/18 4:51:04 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
That might be true, but he should probably hear it from someone besides the guy who thinks Nazis were leftists.

Because they were

Btw I find it highly amusing how you scoff at the Nazis calling themselves socialists as evidence they're socialist but you insist that the Chinese are communist just because they call themselves communist.

Your own logic works against you here...
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/11/18 4:52:29 PM
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It's most commonly used to bash celebrities when they get preachy about LBGT and equality type issues.

I see that shit on WeChat all the damn time
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Lorenzo_2003
01/11/18 4:58:54 PM
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Interesting word. I suppose it's not surprising. In general, I don't think we could characterize mainland China as left-leaning or even sympathetic to left-leaning causes.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/11/18 5:00:42 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Interesting word. I suppose it's not surprising. In general, I don't think we could characterize mainland China as left-leaning or even sympathetic to left-leaning causes.

It's really hard for mainlanders to give a shit when the majority of their NGOs and charities have proven time and time again to be scam artists / corrupt.
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darkjedilink
01/11/18 5:06:43 PM
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mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

Compared to mass famine and human rights violations, wanting to open borders, give minorities free stuff, arguments over bathrooms and pronouns, and carbon credits and collecting cow farts aren't real problems.
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mario2000
01/11/18 5:09:41 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
mario2000 posted...
immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment aren't real problems in the real world?

Compared to mass famine and human rights violations, wanting to open borders, give minorities free stuff, arguments over bathrooms and pronouns, and carbon credits and collecting cow farts aren't real problems.

so muslims "taking over europe" isn't anything to worry about after all?
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ItsYourFault
01/11/18 5:10:33 PM
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Damn. Mal so hard up hes shilling the commies
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UnholyMudcrab
01/11/18 5:11:34 PM
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Mal_Fet
01/11/18 5:13:25 PM
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NadYobWoc posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
That might be true, but he should probably hear it from someone besides the guy who thinks Nazis were leftists.

Because they were

Btw I find it highly amusing how you scoff at the Nazis calling themselves socialists as evidence they're socialist but you insist that the Chinese are communist just because they call themselves communist.

Your own logic works against you here...

Nope. Now pay attention:

The Nazis' actions are what makes them leftist, not their name. Seizing the means of production, wage controls, price controls, heavy business regulation, all hallmarks of big-government leftist politics.

Similarly, the Chinese econonic policies are what makes them capitalist regardless of what they call themselves.
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mario2000
01/11/18 5:17:17 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ntsi.zm, nt-/),[1] is the ideology and set of practices associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party in Nazi Germany and of other far-right groups.

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TheCyborgNinja
01/11/18 5:18:43 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
China massacred thousands of their own protestors and sent the bill for the bullets to their family members.

Seriously?! Trolling reached an unsurpassable height that day.
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ChromaticAngel
01/11/18 5:20:41 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Similarly, the Chinese econonic policies are what makes them capitalist regardless of what they call themselves.

Large Chinese corporations are required to have a government employee on the board of directors.
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FigureOfSpeech
01/11/18 5:22:16 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
creativerealms posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Wasn't aware you sided with communist when it came to perceiving people.

China isn't communist.

Wow you want no one to take you serous anymore huh?

China'economy is highly capitalist.

Only way you can argue otherwise is if you didn't know what communism is.


I know that you can only get a communist if you catch a wild socialist and level it up until it evolves into a communist. I just don't remember the exact level which must be reached. The only socialist I bothered to catch is sitting in a PC box somewhere. I think it was level 11 when I caught it, but I can't remember.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/11/18 5:23:12 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Similarly, the Chinese econonic policies are what makes them capitalist regardless of what they call themselves.

Large Chinese corporations are required to have a government employee on the board of directors.

It isn't even necessarily huge corporations either.

I've had friends who had startups that were just starting to take off and they had to cooperate with the government.

Hell, there's a tracking code you have to put on your website just to have hosting in China. Every Chinese website is registered to the government.
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