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ChromaticAngel
01/11/18 11:32:07 AM
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HighOnSolar
01/11/18 11:34:26 AM
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jesus christ
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The Admiral
01/11/18 11:37:17 AM
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I'm sure this is going to be used by LGBT activists as evidence of "rampant transphobia," but she was killed by her husband. They'd been married for a while, so he obviously had no issue with her gender identity. Looks like their relationship had been contentious for sometime.

This is tragic, but it's just a case of domestic violence.
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Questionmarktarius
01/11/18 11:38:25 AM
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The Admiral posted...
This is tragic, but it's just a case of domestic violence.

This.
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Twelf
01/11/18 11:41:37 AM
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I keep hearing these stories about husbands killing their wives. If there's not a problem with how partners are selected in this world, why are so many of them abusers and murderers?
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Antifar
01/11/18 11:42:34 AM
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Twelf posted...
I keep hearing these stories about husbands killing their wives. If there's not a problem with how partners are selected in this world, why are so many of them abusers and murderers?

What are you trying to say?
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andel
01/11/18 11:43:36 AM
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that is horrific
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
01/11/18 11:45:13 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The Admiral posted...
This is tragic, but it's just a case of domestic violence.

This.

Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...

I mean, I know you have your own opinions, there aren't even 10 post in this topic YET!!!!

GODDAMN!!
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Nomadic View
01/11/18 11:46:30 AM
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
The Admiral posted...
This is tragic, but it's just a case of domestic violence.

This.

Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...

I mean, I know you have your own opinions, there aren't even 10 post in this topic YET!!!!

GODDAMN!!



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glitteringfairy
01/11/18 11:47:00 AM
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Well it was her husband. This is a crime of passion, not a hate crime against trans people
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Burgess
01/11/18 11:48:01 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Well it was her husband. This is a crime of passion, not a hate crime against trans people


Nah brah she was trans and clearly he hated her since he killed her so ipso facto proctorsi
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Kaname_Madoka
01/11/18 11:49:13 AM
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That's fucked up. Rest in peace.

Also I like how no one said anything about transphobia and people already are jumping to say it wasn't transphobic. Jesus Christ, can you hide your fucking dog whistles better?
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The Admiral
01/11/18 11:49:17 AM
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...


No reason I need to wait for the inevitable. I've been in enough transgender discussions on CE, and most of us know exactly which users would have said this. The point was to preempt that.
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Twelf
01/11/18 11:50:46 AM
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Antifar posted...
Twelf posted...
I keep hearing these stories about husbands killing their wives. If there's not a problem with how partners are selected in this world, why are so many of them abusers and murderers?


What are you trying to say?

There's no need to elaborate.
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Lathissamus
01/11/18 11:50:57 AM
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Sad. Not even gonna get into the whole trans-phobic or not argument, just gonna say that I wish those who were close get some sort of vindication.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
01/11/18 11:51:09 AM
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The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...


No reason I need to wait for the inevitable. I've been in enough transgender discussions on CE, and most of us know exactly which users would have said this. The point was to preempt that.


@The_Admiral

But in this case, you are the one who literally brought up, just to have a huge deal over how you knew someone would bring up...

It's like you are chasing your own tail
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TheGrindery
01/11/18 11:51:38 AM
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I still think across or connecting when I hear trans. Like transcontinental, transatlantic and whatnot.

No matter where someone stands on the subject, this is ridiculous and unnecessary. I don't see what is accomplished by killing someone who isn't a threat.
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The Admiral
01/11/18 11:52:41 AM
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...


No reason I need to wait for the inevitable. I've been in enough transgender discussions on CE, and most of us know exactly which users would have said this. The point was to preempt that.


@The_Admiral

But in this case, you are the one who literally brought up, just to have a huge deal over how you knew someone would bring up...

It's like you are chasing your own tail


It's like I have a brain that remembers.

Also, GLAAD beat me to the punch. They already list this on their "Crimes Against Transganders" page without any qualification that gender identity was irrelevant:

https://www.glaad.org/blog/glaad-calls-increased-and-accurate-media-coverage-transgender-murders-0

So spare me your hurt feelings.
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Twelf
01/11/18 11:52:54 AM
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16-BITTER posted...
Because arranged marriages always work out great for everyone.

They're not perfect, but everyone gets a shot. As opposed to literal abusers and murderers receiving priority seating.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/11/18 11:53:09 AM
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Regardless of motive, trans people are more likely to be victimized than the general population and we can do better.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
01/11/18 11:54:30 AM
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The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...


No reason I need to wait for the inevitable. I've been in enough transgender discussions on CE, and most of us know exactly which users would have said this. The point was to preempt that.


@The_Admiral

But in this case, you are the one who literally brought up, just to have a huge deal over how you knew someone would bring up...

It's like you are chasing your own tail


It's like I have a brain that remembers.

Also, GLAAD beat me to the punch. They already list this on their "Crimes Against Transganders" page without any qualification that gender identity was irrelevant:

https://www.glaad.org/blog/glaad-calls-increased-and-accurate-media-coverage-transgender-murders-0

So spare me your hurt feelings.


Do you even know why you are arguing with me?
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Questionmarktarius
01/11/18 11:54:34 AM
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Antifar posted...
Twelf posted...
I keep hearing these stories about husbands killing their wives. If there's not a problem with how partners are selected in this world, why are so many of them abusers and murderers?

What are you trying to say?


Without bothering to dig for numbers, I'd assume the percentage of marriages that end in spousal murder is very small. However, the percentage of spousal murders that make the news, is very high.
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The Admiral
01/11/18 11:55:23 AM
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...


No reason I need to wait for the inevitable. I've been in enough transgender discussions on CE, and most of us know exactly which users would have said this. The point was to preempt that.


@The_Admiral

But in this case, you are the one who literally brought up, just to have a huge deal over how you knew someone would bring up...

It's like you are chasing your own tail


It's like I have a brain that remembers.

Also, GLAAD beat me to the punch. They already list this on their "Crimes Against Transganders" page without any qualification that gender identity was irrelevant:

https://www.glaad.org/blog/glaad-calls-increased-and-accurate-media-coverage-transgender-murders-0

So spare me your hurt feelings.


Do you even know why you are arguing with me?


Because you got upset that I accurately predicted what "LGBT activists" would do.
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Antifar
01/11/18 11:56:50 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Without bothering to dig for numbers, I'd assume the percentage of marriages that end in spousal murder is very small. However, the percentage of spousal murders that make the news, is very high.

I'm not gonna bother with numbers either, but yeah that sounds right
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
01/11/18 11:56:53 AM
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The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...


No reason I need to wait for the inevitable. I've been in enough transgender discussions on CE, and most of us know exactly which users would have said this. The point was to preempt that.


@The_Admiral

But in this case, you are the one who literally brought up, just to have a huge deal over how you knew someone would bring up...

It's like you are chasing your own tail


It's like I have a brain that remembers.

Also, GLAAD beat me to the punch. They already list this on their "Crimes Against Transganders" page without any qualification that gender identity was irrelevant:

https://www.glaad.org/blog/glaad-calls-increased-and-accurate-media-coverage-transgender-murders-0

So spare me your hurt feelings.


Do you even know why you are arguing with me?


Because you got upset that I accurately predicted what "LGBT activists" would do.


When did I say that?
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The Admiral
01/11/18 11:57:36 AM
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When you started attacking me, despite the fact that my post was completely correct.
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Twelf
01/11/18 11:58:05 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Regardless of motive, trans people are more likely to be victimized than the general population and we can do better.

Trans-oriented self-defense classes. This clearly needs to be a thing somewhere.
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Questionmarktarius
01/11/18 11:59:29 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Also, GLAAD beat me to the punch. They already list this on their "Crimes Against Transganders" page without any qualification that gender identity was irrelevant:

Whether or not the list criteria was relevant to motive, is irrelevant to those lists.

A hypothetical "Crimes against guys named Bill" listing, isn't going to care whether or not Bill got beat up for being named 'Bill'.
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The Admiral
01/11/18 12:00:46 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Whether or not the list criteria was relevant to motive, is irrelevant to those lists.


What do you think the point of that list is? Please read the rest of that GLAAD page first before answering.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
01/11/18 12:01:09 PM
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The Admiral posted...
When you started attacking me, despite the fact that my post was completely correct.


How did I attack you? I just stated that you could at least wait to argue with people who have actually said something that you disagree with. You literally came into this topic, and due to people who have different views than you LITERALLY EXISTING, you felt the need to start arguing with... I dunno.... someone....

I'm not upset at you, and I'm not attacking you, but c'mon man you gotta see yourself Preacher, you're out of control lololol
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Sir Will
01/11/18 12:03:18 PM
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The Admiral posted...
I'm sure this is going to be used by LGBT activists as evidence of "rampant transphobia,"

Put in quotes because of how some will use this scenario or to deny transphobia?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/11/18 12:04:15 PM
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Twelf posted...

Trans-oriented self-defense classes. This clearly needs to be a thing somewhere.


I've had this idea for a while, Guns for Gays. (Which is probably already a thing.)
Absolutely those more likely to be victims should be taught how and enabled to protect themselves.

But we can't talk about that here because this context is different and springboarding to another subject is just SJWisming. Or something. Whatever the fuck Addy is on about.
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ItsYourFault
01/11/18 12:04:39 PM
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The Admiral posted...
I'm sure this is going to be used by LGBT activists as evidence of "rampant transphobia," but she was killed by her husband. They'd been married for a while, so he obviously had no issue with her gender identity. Looks like their relationship had been contentious for sometime.

This is tragic, but it's just a case of domestic violence.
Its funny how you understand this in other topics but not your own
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The Admiral
01/11/18 12:05:12 PM
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ItsYourFault posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm sure this is going to be used by LGBT activists as evidence of "rampant transphobia," but she was killed by her husband. They'd been married for a while, so he obviously had no issue with her gender identity. Looks like their relationship had been contentious for sometime.

This is tragic, but it's just a case of domestic violence.
Its funny how you understand this in other topics but not your own


What?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/11/18 12:05:50 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ItsYourFault posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm sure this is going to be used by LGBT activists as evidence of "rampant transphobia," but she was killed by her husband. They'd been married for a while, so he obviously had no issue with her gender identity. Looks like their relationship had been contentious for sometime.

This is tragic, but it's just a case of domestic violence.
Its funny how you understand this in other topics but not your own


What?


Imagine if the husband was Muslim. What would your narrative be . . .?
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Questionmarktarius
01/11/18 12:07:05 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Whether or not the list criteria was relevant to motive, is irrelevant to those lists.


What do you think the point of that list is?

Squeaky wheels.
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eston
01/11/18 12:07:15 PM
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You know what would be great is if people didn't feed Admiral
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KazumaKiryu
01/11/18 12:08:11 PM
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I wonder if this person's husband knew the truth.
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The Admiral
01/11/18 12:08:17 PM
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eston posted...
You know what would be great is if people didn't feed Admiral


Or argue with him just for the sake of it when he's right.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
01/11/18 12:11:15 PM
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The Admiral posted...
eston posted...
You know what would be great is if people didn't feed Admiral


Or argue with him just for the sake of it when he's right.


See all you had to do was wait, and people started arguing with you,

but to just come in on post #2 and start responding to people who haven't said anything.... that's kinda tacky....
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TheGrindery
01/11/18 12:11:34 PM
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The Admiral posted...
eston posted...
You know what would be great is if people didn't feed Admiral


Or argue with him just for the sake of it when he's right.

=P
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Nomadic View
01/11/18 12:25:19 PM
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
The Admiral posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Can we at least wait for people to make the assumption its a hate crime ITT, before people start to refute it... JEEZUS...


No reason I need to wait for the inevitable. I've been in enough transgender discussions on CE, and most of us know exactly which users would have said this. The point was to preempt that.


@The_Admiral

But in this case, you are the one who literally brought up, just to have a huge deal over how you knew someone would bring up...

It's like you are chasing your own tail


Wait? Youre first post was serious? I thought you were being facetious.
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TheVipaGTS
01/11/18 3:42:29 PM
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The Admiral posted...
I'm sure this is going to be used by LGBT activists as evidence of "rampant transphobia," but she was killed by her husband. They'd been married for a while, so he obviously had no issue with her gender identity. Looks like their relationship had been contentious for sometime.

This is tragic, but it's just a case of domestic violence.

Its funny how its just domestic violence...youre going out of your way to say its just domestic violence nothing more just to make sure no one thinks it was a hate crime. Its still domestic violence man.
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The Admiral
01/11/18 4:58:18 PM
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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/miss-trans-america-founder-first-transgender-murder-2018-heres-important-keep-count-224258547.html

Miss Trans America founder was first transgender murder of 2018: Here's why it's important to keep count

As we found in the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey, transgender people face disproportionately high levels of discrimination and violence. Unfortunately, that violence can sometimes be fatal, Jay Wu, spokesperson for the National Center for Transgender Equality, tells Yahoo Lifestyle. Keeping track of transgender people who have been killed is a way to document one of the symptoms of the more widespread problem of discrimination, and to make it clear that it is indeed a problem.


Well look at this! Who predicted that?
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Lorenzo_2003
01/11/18 5:18:13 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I've had this idea for a while, Guns for Gays. (Which is probably already a thing.)
Absolutely those more likely to be victims should be taught how and enabled to protect themselves.


I don't get it. Trans people are not barred from exercising their Second Amendment right, are they? Everyone should learn how to protect themselves, whether it's with firearms or another means.
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The Admiral
01/11/18 5:21:00 PM
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Sir Will posted...
Put in quotes because of how some will use this scenario or to deny transphobia?


I deny that there is an epidemic of murder that's happening nationally against transgender people, yes.
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