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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:08:50 PM
#101:


Sylph posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Sylph posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
They aren't girls, they are men with a disorder that think they are and identify as girls though.

Legally and socially incorrect..


What about scientifically or biologically?

Biologically it is far closer to female than male at this point. The blood has been changed, the fat and muscle distribution has switched, and the face has even altered. You can argue chromosomes, but you don't walk around checking those out so there you go. It is straight up just incorrect to say it is male anyways, because at the very worst it is surely a blend at this stage. So added with all the other things, it is certainly tilted towards female.

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Drunken_Idiot
01/09/18 9:09:48 PM
#102:


No.
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TheRealDill2000
01/09/18 9:11:00 PM
#103:


FL81 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Taxpayers should pay for healthcare and guns should be banned

shut the fuck up

Rebel's comment is one of the best posts in this topic. A gun ban is a bit ambitious, but Trump will make some progress towards these ends.
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Sylph
01/09/18 9:11:05 PM
#104:


If you want to ignore the fact that the body is a changing system, you are the one being obtuse and irrelevant scientifically.
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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:13:54 PM
#105:


Sylph posted...
If you want to ignore the fact that the body is a changing system, you are the one being obtuse and irrelevant scientifically.

The things that happened to your body was outside modification though, it wasn't natural.
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Sylph
01/09/18 9:15:52 PM
#106:


SuperNamekGod posted...
Sylph posted...
If you want to ignore the fact that the body is a changing system, you are the one being obtuse and irrelevant scientifically.

The things that happened to your body was outside modification though, it wasn't natural.

Really? Most of the changes happened from natural chemicals the body produces anyways. And regardless of the source of the changes, they still occurred so that fact remains, the body has changed. Ignoring that is pretty much saying you don't have a valid response to it.
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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:16:43 PM
#107:


Sylph posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
Sylph posted...
If you want to ignore the fact that the body is a changing system, you are the one being obtuse and irrelevant scientifically.

The things that happened to your body was outside modification though, it wasn't natural.

Really? Most of the changes happened from natural chemicals the body produces anyways. And regardless of the source of the changes, they still occurred so that fact remains, the body has changed. Ignoring that is pretty much saying you don't have a valid response to it.

So are you saying that the body could've done it on its own without outside interference?
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MrPeppers
01/09/18 9:18:07 PM
#108:


Sylph posted...
If you want to ignore the fact that the body is a changing system, you are the one being obtuse and irrelevant scientifically.


You're literally declaring phenotype as biology and disregarding genotype, which is beyond idiotic no matter which stance you take.
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Sylph
01/09/18 9:18:59 PM
#109:


SuperNamekGod posted...
So are you saying that the body could've done it on its own without outside interference?

I don't even know what your point is. This is irrelevant to the thread. You are just going off topic to divert the issue away from the ones you couldn't meet.
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KingCrabCake
01/09/18 9:21:42 PM
#110:


Sylph posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Sylph posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
They aren't girls, they are men with a disorder that think they are and identify as girls though.

Legally and socially incorrect..


What about scientifically or biologically?

Biologically it is far closer to female than male at this point. The blood has been changed, the fat and muscle distribution has switched, and the face has even altered. You can argue chromosomes, but you don't walk around checking those out so there you go. It is straight up just incorrect to say it is male anyways, because at the very worst it is surely a blend at this stage. So added with all the other things, it is certainly tilted towards female.


A+

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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:22:10 PM
#111:


Sylph posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
So are you saying that the body could've done it on its own without outside interference?

I don't even know what your point is. This is irrelevant to the thread. You are just going off topic to divert the issue away from the ones you couldn't meet.

What? You started the discussion, I was telling a person I knew from another board I frequent that they are males that identify as females because of a disorder.

I tell you that biologically means naturally.

You took issue with that, and made a claim that the modification that was done to your body could occur naturally.

Can you answer the question or not?

Also whatever the result was for the modification is obviously a change to the body.

But it isn't a natural one.
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Sylph
01/09/18 9:25:43 PM
#112:


You are certainly getting caught up on the source, and ignoring the result.
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MrPeppers
01/09/18 9:27:50 PM
#113:


Sylph posted...
You are certainly getting caught up on the source, and ignoring the result.


What are you prattling on about?
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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:28:58 PM
#114:


Sylph posted...
You are certainly getting caught up on the source, and ignoring the result.


The end result doesn't change biology.
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Sylph
01/09/18 9:29:59 PM
#115:


Well, I am not really going to give you the dog and pony show of a nitpicking session you seem to want. I stated what I wanted to, and that is it.
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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:30:34 PM
#116:


Sylph posted...
Well, I am not really going to give you the dog and pony show of a nitpicking session you seem to want. I stated what I wanted to, and that is it.

I accept your concession.
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Sylph
01/09/18 9:38:27 PM
#117:


*shrug* I've got my changes, and I've had my surgeries paid for already by our beautiful public healthcare system, and my life is good. I will say that those that really have a need to justify a social disregard of this sort of thing are far more in need of assistance than I, and with that I bid you adieu. Thank you for your contributions.
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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:45:30 PM
#118:


Sylph posted...
*shrug* I've got my changes, and I've had my surgeries paid for already by our beautiful public healthcare system, and my life is good. I will say that those that really have a need to justify a social disregard of this sort of thing are far more in need of assistance than I, and with that I bid you adieu. Thank you for your contributions.

I think disregard of facts and actual science is more concerning. Power to for you going through the changes though.
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Kaname_Madoka
01/09/18 9:48:19 PM
#119:


@SuperNamekGod posted...
@Kaname_Madoka
Yes, thats what I said. They are men with a disorder that believe they are female.

no theyre women
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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:50:17 PM
#120:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
@SuperNamekGod posted...
@Kaname_Madoka
Yes, thats what I said. They are men with a disorder that believe they are female.

no theyre women

They identify as and are legally after they go through a change or whenever they decide to change what their sex is.

Biologically male.
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Kaname_Madoka
01/09/18 9:50:56 PM
#121:


SuperNamekGod posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
@SuperNamekGod posted...
@Kaname_Madoka
Yes, thats what I said. They are men with a disorder that believe they are female.

no theyre women

They identify as and are legally after they go through a change or whenever they decide to change what their sex is.

Biologically male.

female brain and stuff
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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:55:22 PM
#122:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
@SuperNamekGod posted...
@Kaname_Madoka
Yes, thats what I said. They are men with a disorder that believe they are female.

no theyre women

They identify as and are legally after they go through a change or whenever they decide to change what their sex is.

Biologically male.

female brain and stuff


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determination_system

Men with a disorder.
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Eevee-Trainer
01/09/18 9:56:22 PM
#123:


ImaAskAQuestion posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
I don't. It's vanity surgery, plain and simple. There are people who will die because they cannot afford medical treatment (Obamacare) and we have no business using tax payer money for something half of us (at least) strongly oppose.


My vagina is going to be gold plated. Thank you, --kresnik--!

That's fucking metal
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SuperNamekGod
01/09/18 9:57:17 PM
#124:


Eevee-Trainer posted...
ImaAskAQuestion posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
I don't. It's vanity surgery, plain and simple. There are people who will die because they cannot afford medical treatment (Obamacare) and we have no business using tax payer money for something half of us (at least) strongly oppose.


My vagina is going to be gold plated. Thank you, --kresnik--!

That's fucking metal

ha, literally
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Darklit_Minuet
01/09/18 9:58:45 PM
#125:


I Like Toast posted...
Should flat girls get free implants? Should small guys get free enlargement? Should @BignutzisBack get free hair and the masculine jaw he wants? What about free vasectomy or tubes tied?

Yes, all of that should be free. Any first world country should pay for their citizens' healthcare
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