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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 12:27:45 PM
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Smash Wii U and ARMS are at EVO Japan but not Melee lmao

just a matter of time until the Smash community breaks off from the FGC now
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masticatingman
01/09/18 12:33:52 PM
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Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.
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soulunison2
01/09/18 12:34:46 PM
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masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.


Look at this pedantic child and laugh
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Rathalos888
01/09/18 12:35:49 PM
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masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.

This, SF is the most boring shit in the world. I'd sooner watch Smash 4 than that, and that is a game made for toddlers.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 12:35:55 PM
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masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.

First off, Smash isn't a fighting game.
Second: KoF98 gets WAY more viewers on DouYu than Melee ever has, including EVO lmao
Third: Pretty much every Smash top 8 looks the same, it hardly has any variation in results
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Blbmbr666
01/09/18 12:36:07 PM
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This is such old news that this topic should be deleted tbh.

Has mostly to due with the fact that Japan's Melee scene is much smaller than the US.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 12:36:56 PM
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Rathalos888 posted...
masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.

This, SF is the most boring shit in the world. I'd sooner watch Smash 4 than that, and that is a game made for toddlers.

SFV is made for toddlers too lmao garbage game

USFIV was exciting and balanced af, I miss that game
3S Cooperation Cup was insane this year too, that tournament is consistently one of the best in the genre every year
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masticatingman
01/09/18 12:37:44 PM
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.

First off, Smash isn't a fighting game.
Second: KoF98 gets WAY more viewers on DouYu than Melee ever has, including EVO lmao
Third: Pretty much every Smash top 8 looks the same, it hardly has any variation in results


First, already said idgaf how you wanna classify it.
Second, views don't dictate my opinion.
Third, you're talking about competitors, not how the matches play out.
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Wu_Tang_Shogun
01/09/18 12:37:45 PM
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Wait people play that ARMS shit competitively? LMFAO.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 12:39:48 PM
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Wu_Tang_Shogun posted...
Wait people play that ARMS shit competitively? LMFAO.

Nintendo threw money at a competitive tour I think?

Funny they support ARMS but never did that for Melee LOL
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s0nicfan
01/09/18 12:39:58 PM
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Next year is going to be really interesting. We'll have Arc System Works for the first time ever potentially having more games in EVO than Capcom. between GG Xrd, BB Centralfiction, Cross Tag, and Dragonball FighterZ there's a lot of variety to go around.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 12:41:19 PM
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masticatingman posted...
yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.

First off, Smash isn't a fighting game.
Second: KoF98 gets WAY more viewers on DouYu than Melee ever has, including EVO lmao
Third: Pretty much every Smash top 8 looks the same, it hardly has any variation in results


First, already said idgaf how you wanna classify it.
Second, views don't dictate my opinion.
Third, you're talking about competitors, not how the matches play out.

If you don't care, then why call it a fighting game in the first place?

The matches play out mostly as expected. When the top 8 has looked the same for years, you know what's gonna happen. Look at MvC2 lmao
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soulunison2
01/09/18 12:42:54 PM
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
masticatingman posted...
yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.

First off, Smash isn't a fighting game.
Second: KoF98 gets WAY more viewers on DouYu than Melee ever has, including EVO lmao
Third: Pretty much every Smash top 8 looks the same, it hardly has any variation in results


First, already said idgaf how you wanna classify it.
Second, views don't dictate my opinion.
Third, you're talking about competitors, not how the matches play out.

If you don't care, then why call it a fighting game in the first place?

The matches play out mostly as expected. When the top 8 has looked the same for years, you know what's gonna happen. Look at MvC2 lmao


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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 12:43:08 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Next year is going to be really interesting. We'll have Arc System Works for the first time ever potentially having more games in EVO than Capcom. between GG Xrd, BB Centralfiction, Cross Tag, and Dragonball FighterZ there's a lot of variety to go around.

I could see BB being dropped or Cross Tag to not be included depending on release date (I haven't been following that game's details, idk if release date was ever announced).

DBFZ will for sure have a slot, as well as SFV and Tekken 7.

Marvel probably dead
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masticatingman
01/09/18 12:44:58 PM
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
masticatingman posted...
yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.

First off, Smash isn't a fighting game.
Second: KoF98 gets WAY more viewers on DouYu than Melee ever has, including EVO lmao
Third: Pretty much every Smash top 8 looks the same, it hardly has any variation in results


First, already said idgaf how you wanna classify it.
Second, views don't dictate my opinion.
Third, you're talking about competitors, not how the matches play out.

If you don't care, then why call it a fighting game in the first place?

The matches play out mostly as expected. When the top 8 has looked the same for years, you know what's gonna happen. Look at MvC2 lmao


Just said it's more entertaining to watch than other fighting games. Which it is. Not gonna be drawn into a back and forth about trying to classify it as a fighting game or not.
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masticatingman
01/09/18 12:46:37 PM
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soulunison2 posted...
masticatingman posted...
Idgaf how you wanna classify it, Melee is way more entertaining than any other fighting game that gets competition air time on Twitch.


Look at this pedantic child and laugh


Stand by what I said.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 12:47:00 PM
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masticatingman posted...
Just said it's more entertaining to watch than other fighting games. Which it is. Not gonna be drawn into a back and forth about trying to classify it as a fighting game or not.

lmao your argument is just "NUH UH"

Melee is trash dude. It's a game that Nintendo kids latch onto because they can't cut it in fighting games.

Look at the tournament results of any Smash player that's entered into fighters lmao, I can't think of a single one that made a top 8

Unless you count like...Chris G, who just stopped playing Melee altogether because he realized Marvel and SF were so much better
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s0nicfan
01/09/18 12:47:17 PM
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Next year is going to be really interesting. We'll have Arc System Works for the first time ever potentially having more games in EVO than Capcom. between GG Xrd, BB Centralfiction, Cross Tag, and Dragonball FighterZ there's a lot of variety to go around.

I could see BB being dropped or Cross Tag to not be included depending on release date (I haven't been following that game's details, idk if release date was ever announced).

DBFZ will for sure have a slot, as well as SFV and Tekken 7.

Marvel probably dead


BB will probably be dropped, but I could see EVO having DBFZ, GG Xrd, and Cross Tag which would give ASW 3 titles at once.
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Ushiromiya
01/09/18 12:50:22 PM
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
Look at the tournament results of any Smash player that's entered into fighters lmao, I can't think of a single one that made a top 8

I've heard MenaRD plays competitively, though I've never bothered to look it up to confirm. And even then I don't know which game he played first
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 12:51:45 PM
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Ushiromiya posted...
yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
Look at the tournament results of any Smash player that's entered into fighters lmao, I can't think of a single one that made a top 8

I've heard MenaRD plays competitively, though I've never bothered to look it up to confirm. And even then I don't know which game he played first

oh yknow i think your right

i dont really follow SFV, game is booty
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Calwings
01/09/18 12:52:16 PM
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And I'm just sitting here waiting for Soul Calibur 6 to come out
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Ushiromiya
01/09/18 12:57:17 PM
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s0nicfan posted...

BB will probably be dropped, but I could see EVO having DBFZ, GG Xrd, and Cross Tag which would give ASW 3 titles at once

That's too much anime
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ZombiePelican
01/09/18 12:58:18 PM
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s0nicfan
01/09/18 12:58:24 PM
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Ushiromiya posted...
s0nicfan posted...

BB will probably be dropped, but I could see EVO having DBFZ, GG Xrd, and Cross Tag which would give ASW 3 titles at once

That's too much anime


Well SOMEONE has to step up since MVC has half-abandoned their role as spectacle fighter and SFV is like watching paint dry. ASW bringing a 3v3, a 2v2, and a 1v1 should provide the level of hype that EVO is known for.
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Banjo2553
01/09/18 1:05:40 PM
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I love how people are literally trying to start an argument with masticatingman even though he said he doesn't want to. Like, why does calling Smash a fighting game trigger some of you?
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ManSpread
01/09/18 1:07:56 PM
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Banjo2553 posted...
I love how people are literally trying to start an argument with masticatingman even though he said he doesn't want to. Like, why does calling Smash a fighting game trigger some of you?

because its not a fighting game
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Ushiromiya
01/09/18 1:08:45 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Well SOMEONE has to step up since MVC has half-abandoned their role as spectacle fighter and SFV is like watching paint dry. ASW bringing a 3v3, a 2v2, and a 1v1 should provide the level of hype that EVO is known for.

Pick one team game, homie. I don't even know how real Crossover looks. And I don't know how deep dbz will be or what kind of legs it will have
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TheGrindery
01/09/18 1:09:52 PM
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Banjo2553 posted...
I love how people are literally trying to start an argument with masticatingman even though he said he doesn't want to. Like, why does calling Smash a fighting game trigger some of you?

Arcades died, 90's ended and fighting games lost tons of attention. Smash comes along and builds momentum. People rage that something new is getting big while hating change. That old chestnut.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 1:11:05 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
Didn't TC just make a topic bitching about gatekeeping?

what

Ushiromiya posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Well SOMEONE has to step up since MVC has half-abandoned their role as spectacle fighter and SFV is like watching paint dry. ASW bringing a 3v3, a 2v2, and a 1v1 should provide the level of hype that EVO is known for.

Pick one team game, homie. I don't even know how real Crossover looks. And I don't know how deep dbz will be or what kind of legs it will have

nah, multiple team games has happened on an EVO lineup more than a few times

we used to have CvS2 and MvC2 every year
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 1:11:54 PM
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TheGrindery posted...
Banjo2553 posted...
I love how people are literally trying to start an argument with masticatingman even though he said he doesn't want to. Like, why does calling Smash a fighting game trigger some of you?

Arcades died, 90's ended and fighting games lost tons of attention. Smash comes along and builds momentum. People rage that something new is getting big while hating change. That old chestnut.

It's more about the community and how they don't fit in with the FGC than Smash being popular
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s0nicfan
01/09/18 1:12:59 PM
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Banjo2553 posted...
I love how people are literally trying to start an argument with masticatingman even though he said he doesn't want to. Like, why does calling Smash a fighting game trigger some of you?

Arcades died, 90's ended and fighting games lost tons of attention. Smash comes along and builds momentum. People rage that something new is getting big while hating change. That old chestnut.

It's more about the community and how they don't fit in with the FGC than Smash being popular


Wait... so a game isn't in a particular genre because of the community surrounding it and how it differs from the community of other games in said genre?
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 1:15:24 PM
#32:


s0nicfan posted...
yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Banjo2553 posted...
I love how people are literally trying to start an argument with masticatingman even though he said he doesn't want to. Like, why does calling Smash a fighting game trigger some of you?

Arcades died, 90's ended and fighting games lost tons of attention. Smash comes along and builds momentum. People rage that something new is getting big while hating change. That old chestnut.

It's more about the community and how they don't fit in with the FGC than Smash being popular


Wait... so a game isn't in a particular genre because of the community surrounding it and how it differs from the community of other games in said genre?

it's a combo of things

smash at its core isn't a fighting game nor was it developed anywhere close to one

it can be played like one under specific settings, but that doesn't change the core product

i'm of that viewpoint.

however, there's a lot of immature people who just latch onto the "Smash Bros is not a fighting game" debate as a means of gatekeeping Smash people from the FGC

which...is more or less deserved honestly. they've done some garbage things over the years
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soulunison2
01/09/18 1:15:25 PM
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TheGrindery posted...
Banjo2553 posted...
I love how people are literally trying to start an argument with masticatingman even though he said he doesn't want to. Like, why does calling Smash a fighting game trigger some of you?

Arcades died, 90's ended and fighting games lost tons of attention. Smash comes along and builds momentum. People rage that something new is getting big while hating change. That old chestnut.


No way in hell smash revived the FGC,

Thats some backward ass thinking to think that
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 1:15:58 PM
#34:


soulunison2 posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Banjo2553 posted...
I love how people are literally trying to start an argument with masticatingman even though he said he doesn't want to. Like, why does calling Smash a fighting game trigger some of you?

Arcades died, 90's ended and fighting games lost tons of attention. Smash comes along and builds momentum. People rage that something new is getting big while hating change. That old chestnut.


No way in hell smash revived the FGC,

Thats some backward ass thinking to think that

SFIV revived the FGC
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myzz7
01/09/18 1:18:16 PM
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i like smash but the lack of variety when it comes to top 32 is too strong (always space animals, always shiek, sometimes peach) which is why i like Hbox as his jiggs char is about mind games and strategy over technical skill.
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Rathalos888
01/09/18 1:52:11 PM
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myzz7 posted...
i like smash but the lack of variety when it comes to top 32 is too strong (always space animals, always shiek, sometimes peach) which is why i like Hbox as his jiggs char is about mind games and strategy over technical skill.

Top 20 includes Fox, Jiggs, Falco, Pikachu, Marth, Captain Falcon, Peach, Ice Climbers, Shiek, Samus.

That's 10/26 characters that are in top level play.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 1:53:09 PM
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Rathalos888 posted...
myzz7 posted...
i like smash but the lack of variety when it comes to top 32 is too strong (always space animals, always shiek, sometimes peach) which is why i like Hbox as his jiggs char is about mind games and strategy over technical skill.

Top 20 includes Fox, Jiggs, Falco, Pikachu, Marth, Captain Falcon, Peach, Ice Climbers, Shiek, Samus.

That's 10/26 characters that are in top level play.

okay now show the variety for top 8 and compare that to SFV, USFIV, GG, BB, T7
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Vindris_SNH
01/09/18 1:53:41 PM
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@yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
SFV is made for toddlers too lmao garbage game


Oh really? So you could beat Tokido? Oh what's that, you couldn't? Well what does that make you, if what you're saying is true, that it's a game made for toddlers?
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 1:55:49 PM
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Vindris_SNH posted...
@yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
SFV is made for toddlers too lmao garbage game


Oh really? So you could beat Tokido? Oh what's that, you couldn't? Well what does that make you, if what you're saying is true, that it's a game made for toddlers?

I don't play SFV because I don't enjoy it

I was clearly joking about how it's a much more shallow game than other SF titles but aight

keep taking someone named "yoloyoloswagEMP" seriously

if you had any FGC knowledge, you'd know not to lmao
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Rathalos888
01/09/18 1:57:12 PM
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
okay now show the variety for top 8 and compare that to SFV, USFIV, GG, BB, T7

Fox, Falco, Shiek, Puff, Peach, Marth. 6/8 are different.

Considering Chu and Axe are near top 8 as well (Icies and Pikachu), it's damn near 8/8 different characters.

EDIT: Also, this isn't even considering the counter picks some of these players make (especially someone like M2K)
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 2:02:40 PM
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Rathalos888 posted...
yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
okay now show the variety for top 8 and compare that to SFV, USFIV, GG, BB, T7

Fox, Falco, Shiek, Puff, Peach, Marth. 6/8 are different.

Considering Chu and Axe are near top 8 as well (Icies and Pikachu), it's damn near 8/8 different characters.

When there's that little variety and the same people place top 8 every tournament, can you see why people find it boring?

The status quo is hardly challenged. There isn't anything new to see.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 2:04:12 PM
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Rathalos888 posted...
Considering Chu and Axe are near top 8 as well (Icies and Pikachu), it's damn near 8/8 different characters.

EDIT: Also, this isn't even considering the counter picks some of these players make (especially someone like M2K)

It's still nothing compared to any SF game, ASW's titles or Tekken.

And that's ignoring team games like Marvel and KoF

KoF best game after all.
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Rathalos888
01/09/18 4:08:29 PM
#43:


yoloyoloswagEMP posted...
Rathalos888 posted...
Considering Chu and Axe are near top 8 as well (Icies and Pikachu), it's damn near 8/8 different characters.

EDIT: Also, this isn't even considering the counter picks some of these players make (especially someone like M2K)

It's still nothing compared to any SF game, ASW's titles or Tekken.

And that's ignoring team games like Marvel and KoF

KoF best game after all.

Yeah I guess, but you know what you can't do in other fighting games?

Anything cool
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UncleBourbon33
01/09/18 4:09:13 PM
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Melee is fucking ancient.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 4:10:03 PM
#45:


Rathalos888 posted...
Yeah I guess, but you know what you can't do in other fighting games?

Anything cool

what can you do in melee that you consider cool?
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TheGrindery
01/09/18 4:43:38 PM
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You can send people flying off the level in Soul Calibur but it's just not the same.

I acted like these people before. I didn't like Powerstone on Dreamcast and said it isn't a fighting game. It is.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 4:46:41 PM
#47:


Powerstone is a fighting game but Smash isn't.

They're designed very differently at their core
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s0nicfan
01/09/18 4:48:02 PM
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This would be a hell of a lot easier to resolve if the people who say SSB isn't a fighting game bothered to define what makes a fighting game.
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yoloyoloswagEMP
01/09/18 4:49:21 PM
#49:


s0nicfan posted...
This would be a hell of a lot easier to resolve if the people who say SSB isn't a fighting game bothered to define what makes a fighting game.

other way around

the people claiming that it IS a fighting game should try defining the genre
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01/09/18 4:50:07 PM
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