Current Events > James Damore is suing the goog for discriminating against conservative white men

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foreverzero212 posted...

Did he say everywhere but California? Or did he say everywhere? This is in the context of a topic about an employee facing discrimination that worked in California. Your objection is really strange.

He said everywhere. He's arguing one point and you're arguing another but you are quoting each other, yet you went ahead and acted like he was saying California and brought up a non-white CEO as a counterpoint
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averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

MacadamianNut3 posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

Oh yeah I forgot California is a conservative hotbed and Sundar Pichai is a white nationalist.

You must have also forgotten to read the post you quoted

"They're the status quo everywhere in the US"

"Yeah right because California and CEO of California-based company"

Are you unaware where James worked? Or what everywhere means? California is a big chunk of the US. Would be weird to not include California when saying "everywhere in the US."

Vast swaths of California are hardcore conservative redneck hate-group territory.

Does that include Silicon Valley, specifically Google, where James faced this alleged discrimination?

how the hell do people have the idea that silicon valley is some haven of progressive politics

The political views of the company CEOs, the voting demographics, etc. There's a reason you're alone on thinking it's redneck central.
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not__shawn__z posted...

averagejoel posted...

since you were unable to come up with a response, I assume this means you concede.

you're welcome

What? I responded lol. Post 40. I'm saying that is the most ridiculous cop out answer I've ever seen

sorry, I meant valid response.

"Thank you for your bullshit answer" is not a valid response, so I assume you were unable to come up with one, and therefore concede.
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Dont reply to averagejoel, his world view is framed within the context of Marxist ideology, you cant talk to someone meaningfully when their frame of reference is so far removed from normative discourse
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foreverzero212 posted...

I'm confused. You guys don't think conservative viewpoints are discriminated against in Silicon Valley?

Do you get to be an engineer if you think two plus two equals fish?
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foreverzero212 posted...

averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

MacadamianNut3 posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

Oh yeah I forgot California is a conservative hotbed and Sundar Pichai is a white nationalist.

You must have also forgotten to read the post you quoted

"They're the status quo everywhere in the US"

"Yeah right because California and CEO of California-based company"

Are you unaware where James worked? Or what everywhere means? California is a big chunk of the US. Would be weird to not include California when saying "everywhere in the US."

Vast swaths of California are hardcore conservative redneck hate-group territory.

Does that include Silicon Valley, specifically Google, where James faced this alleged discrimination?

how the hell do people have the idea that silicon valley is some haven of progressive politics

The political views of the company CEOs, the voting demographics, etc. There's a reason you're alone on thinking it's redneck central.

first: I never said it was redneck central. I said it was conservative. they're not the same thing.

second: please enlighten me as to which CEOs legitimately have the working class' best interest at heart
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Even if you dont agree with his views, lawful vs unlawful termination is worthy to go to court over.
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averagejoel posted...

not__shawn__z posted...

averagejoel posted...

since you were unable to come up with a response, I assume this means you concede.

you're welcome

What? I responded lol. Post 40. I'm saying that is the most ridiculous cop out answer I've ever seen

sorry, I meant valid response.

"Thank you for your bullshit answer" is not a valid response, so I assume you were unable to come up with one, and therefore concede.

It's more appropriate for me to apply what you're saying to your non answer, but alright. We should stop talking

Yes, the place that gave the world Peter Thiel (who still holds a seat on Facebook's board) is rabidly progressive.
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Must be hard working in the socialist hellhole that is a multi billion dollar company. Their ceo must be like stalin himself!
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MacadamianNut3 posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

Did he say everywhere but California? Or did he say everywhere? This is in the context of a topic about an employee facing discrimination that worked in California. Your objection is really strange.

He said everywhere. He's arguing one point and you're arguing another but you are quoting each other, yet you went ahead and acted like he was saying California and brought up a non-white CEO as a counterpoint

- He came into a topic about James suing Google for discrimination against those with conservative viewpoints.
- He mocked someone for thinking the above point was possible.
- I asked him if he thought conservative viewpoints weren't looked down upon in Silicon Valley.
- He countered this point by saying conservatism is the status quo everywhere (meaning Silicon Valley, Mississippi, it doesn't matter because it's the status quo everywhere)

Your emotions shouldn't come before reading comprehension. I'm not conservative, I'm not looking for your fight, I'm just pointing out your objections continue to make less sense with every post.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Dont reply to averagejoel, his world view is framed within the context of Marxist ideology, you cant talk to someone meaningfully when their frame of reference is so far removed from normative discourse

It also feels like I've been arguing with 3 alts.
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Sonicblack35 posted...

hortanz posted...

and suggested women may be biologically inferior engineers,

Annnnnnd that's gonna be a "fair, next" from me, dawg.

Except he never said such a thing
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Sonicblack35 posted...

hortanz posted...

and suggested women may be biologically inferior engineers,

Annnnnnd that's gonna be a "fair, next" from me, dawg.

Yep. Hope his shit gets thrown out.
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foreverzero212 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Dont reply to averagejoel, his world view is framed within the context of Marxist ideology, you cant talk to someone meaningfully when their frame of reference is so far removed from normative discourse

It also feels like I've been arguing with 3 alts.

if you can name a few big CEOs who are legitimately progressive in their politics, I'll gladly concede
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Gonna get laughed out of court I'm sure.
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foreverzero212 posted...

- He countered this point by saying conservatism is the status quo everywhere (meaning Silicon Valley, Mississippi, it doesn't matter because it's the status quo everywhere)

Well this is just being petty as shit tbqh

Anyone with common sense would know that he is saying everywhere generally speaking and not that literally every single company from Google to some random small store found in [insert random city here], USA is run by conservatives

If not being pedantic as shit is being emotional, then I guess that is the case
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Sonicblack35 posted...

hortanz posted...

and suggested women may be biologically inferior engineers,

Annnnnnd that's gonna be a "fair, next" from me, dawg.

The memo didn't even remotely come close to suggesting that in any way.
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averagejoel posted...

first: I never said it was redneck central. I said it was conservative. they're not the same thing.

second: please enlighten me as to which CEOs legitimately have the working class' best interest at heart

First: The voting demos of Silicon Valley disagree with you.

Second: If you're going to attach what their corporations actually do, to what the administration's personal politics are, then trying to say they are for the working class best interest would be a fool's errand. Look up political statements of Google and other Silicon Valley CEOs and tell me if they sound in support of Trump and American social conservative ideals. They are constantly speaking out against them.
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MacadamianNut3 posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

- He countered this point by saying conservatism is the status quo everywhere (meaning Silicon Valley, Mississippi, it doesn't matter because it's the status quo everywhere)

Well this is just being petty as shit tbqh

Anyone with common sense would know that he is saying everywhere generally speaking and not that literally every single company from Google to some random small store found in [insert random city here], USA is run by conservatives

If not being pedantic as shit is being emotional, then I guess that is the case

You keep forgetting his "everywhere" response was directed at my question if conservative ideals are looked down upon in silicon valley. You act like the posts were reversed chronologically, as if he said everywhere and I got petty and said "oh yeah wut about silicon valley." That's not what happened.

He's even asking me for progressive statements by Silicon Valley CEOs now. So it's clear his "everywhere" response was appropriate to my inquiry. He really does believe conservatism is the status quo there too. You're the only one that doesn't understand that at this point.
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foreverzero212 posted...

The voting demos of Silicon Valley disagree with you.

I'm not going to look up the demographics right now, but is this based on the pretense that the Democratic Party is not conservative? because if so, I have some news for you

If you're going to attach what their corporations actually do, to what the administration's personal politics are, then trying to say they are for the working class best interest would be a fool's errand. Look up political statements of Google and other Silicon Valley CEOs and tell me if they sound in support of Trump and American social conservative ideals. They are constantly speaking out against them.

anti-Trump =/= progressive

actions speak louder than words

and in the case of their words, there's a very high chance that they're only espousing some surface-level progressive buzzwords to appeal to a broader demographic and increase corporate profit
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Oh god this fucking jackass again. That dumbass manifesto was more than enough to paint this clown as an idiot and now he's suing over discrimination against conservatives. He'd be right at home here on CE with the other fools that claim mods persecute conservatives

averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

The voting demos of Silicon Valley disagree with you.

I'm not going to look up the demographics right now, but is this based on the pretense that the Democratic Party is not conservative? because if so, I have some news for you

If you're going to attach what their corporations actually do, to what the administration's personal politics are, then trying to say they are for the working class best interest would be a fool's errand. Look up political statements of Google and other Silicon Valley CEOs and tell me if they sound in support of Trump and American social conservative ideals. They are constantly speaking out against them.

anti-Trump =/= progressive

actions speak louder than words

and in the case of their words, there's a very high chance that they're only espousing some surface-level progressive buzzwords to appeal to a broader demographic and increase corporate profit

I agree that the Democratic party is pretty conservative. I knew you were going to get backed into this hole and resort to this. In the context of James suing, conservative viewpoints being discriminated against is in the context of the American political compass, not yours. If you don't want to recognize that, then we are at an impasse.
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If Silicon Valley workers want protection for their political beliefs in the workplace, they should try unionizing
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He made his viewpoints a bit clearer on Joe Rogan's podcast. What he said during that wasn't too unreasonable imho and I'm usually pretty liberal about that kinda shit.

He's definitely very awkward and not very good at getting his point across in conversations though.
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foreverzero212 posted...

averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

The voting demos of Silicon Valley disagree with you.

I'm not going to look up the demographics right now, but is this based on the pretense that the Democratic Party is not conservative? because if so, I have some news for you

If you're going to attach what their corporations actually do, to what the administration's personal politics are, then trying to say they are for the working class best interest would be a fool's errand. Look up political statements of Google and other Silicon Valley CEOs and tell me if they sound in support of Trump and American social conservative ideals. They are constantly speaking out against them.

anti-Trump =/= progressive

actions speak louder than words

and in the case of their words, there's a very high chance that they're only espousing some surface-level progressive buzzwords to appeal to a broader demographic and increase corporate profit

I agree that the Democratic party is pretty conservative. I knew you were going to get backed into this hole and resort to this. In the context of James suing, conservative viewpoints being discriminated against is in the context of the American political compass, not yours. If you don't want to recognize that, then we are at an impasse.

Yep. Joel doesnt realize the basic idea behind language that meaning arises in use, and the way the words conservative and progressive are used in normative discourse are far different from the frame of reference hes speaking from. So people who engage with him continuously speak past each other. Marxism has many valid points, but he shouldnt be the one to talk from that context given his high school level grasp over language and its nuances
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https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/950465440987295744


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foreverzero212 posted...

averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

The voting demos of Silicon Valley disagree with you.

I'm not going to look up the demographics right now, but is this based on the pretense that the Democratic Party is not conservative? because if so, I have some news for you

If you're going to attach what their corporations actually do, to what the administration's personal politics are, then trying to say they are for the working class best interest would be a fool's errand. Look up political statements of Google and other Silicon Valley CEOs and tell me if they sound in support of Trump and American social conservative ideals. They are constantly speaking out against them.

anti-Trump =/= progressive

actions speak louder than words

and in the case of their words, there's a very high chance that they're only espousing some surface-level progressive buzzwords to appeal to a broader demographic and increase corporate profit

I agree that the Democratic party is pretty conservative. I knew you were going to get backed into this hole and resort to this. In the context of James suing, conservative viewpoints being discriminated against is in the context of the American political compass, not yours. If you don't want to recognize that, then we are at an impasse.

so in other words, it's people with center-right ideologies discriminating against far-right ideologies. conservatism is still the status quo.

it's not conservative ideologies as a whole that are facing discrimination; it's one brand of conservative ideology, discriminating against a slightly different brand of conservative ideology
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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/950465440987295744

Remember when people got upset that you killed Nazis in Wolfenstein?
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SPOILER FOR HOW THIS WILL END: Nothing will really happen aside from a small settlement payment where Damore fades into the background and obscurity, probably getting another job somewhere in the field without being a public face, and people will forget about this entirely. Damore may get some minor pub in the time and make some conservative media appearances, but he'll be gone by Spring.

Damore was stupid to do what he did and Google had a bit of an over reaction to his statement. Both sides will reach an agreement that's better for the two parties.
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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/950465440987295744

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So is this guy part of the alt right then and they're actually complaining about nazis being persecuted and not conservatives

Conservatrolls here are trying to defend him, but theyd all be on board with firing a liberal for doing the same thing.

Bunch of hypocrites. He can have his views. But when you make them public and the company gets in hot water for it, your ass is grass and the company is a lawnmower.
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averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

The voting demos of Silicon Valley disagree with you.

I'm not going to look up the demographics right now, but is this based on the pretense that the Democratic Party is not conservative? because if so, I have some news for you

If you're going to attach what their corporations actually do, to what the administration's personal politics are, then trying to say they are for the working class best interest would be a fool's errand. Look up political statements of Google and other Silicon Valley CEOs and tell me if they sound in support of Trump and American social conservative ideals. They are constantly speaking out against them.

anti-Trump =/= progressive

actions speak louder than words

and in the case of their words, there's a very high chance that they're only espousing some surface-level progressive buzzwords to appeal to a broader demographic and increase corporate profit

I agree that the Democratic party is pretty conservative. I knew you were going to get backed into this hole and resort to this. In the context of James suing, conservative viewpoints being discriminated against is in the context of the American political compass, not yours. If you don't want to recognize that, then we are at an impasse.

so in other words, it's people with center-right ideologies discriminating against far-right ideologies. conservatism is still the status quo.

it's not conservative ideologies as a whole that are facing discrimination; it's one brand of conservative ideology, discriminating against a slightly different brand of conservative ideology

If those semantics help you understand what's being discussed, sure. That doesn't change the fact that people are allegedly being discriminated against based on their conservative politics and not their ability to do the job.
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foreverzero212 posted...

averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

averagejoel posted...

foreverzero212 posted...

The voting demos of Silicon Valley disagree with you.

I'm not going to look up the demographics right now, but is this based on the pretense that the Democratic Party is not conservative? because if so, I have some news for you

If you're going to attach what their corporations actually do, to what the administration's personal politics are, then trying to say they are for the working class best interest would be a fool's errand. Look up political statements of Google and other Silicon Valley CEOs and tell me if they sound in support of Trump and American social conservative ideals. They are constantly speaking out against them.

anti-Trump =/= progressive

actions speak louder than words

and in the case of their words, there's a very high chance that they're only espousing some surface-level progressive buzzwords to appeal to a broader demographic and increase corporate profit

I agree that the Democratic party is pretty conservative. I knew you were going to get backed into this hole and resort to this. In the context of James suing, conservative viewpoints being discriminated against is in the context of the American political compass, not yours. If you don't want to recognize that, then we are at an impasse.

so in other words, it's people with center-right ideologies discriminating against far-right ideologies. conservatism is still the status quo.

it's not conservative ideologies as a whole that are facing discrimination; it's one brand of conservative ideology, discriminating against a slightly different brand of conservative ideology

If those semantics help you understand what's being discussed, sure. That doesn't change the fact that people are allegedly being discriminated against based on their conservative politics and not their ability to do the job.

it's really more like sectarian infighting than actual discrimination
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Thus whole issue was fucking stupid. The entire reason feminists at google got butthurt was because he said women on average score higher in neuroticism, which is a fact. They misconstrued the pyschological term neuroticism for their crazy understanding that he meant all women are neurotic head cases. He didn't come any where close to suggesting women would be inferior as engineers and in fact he tried to suggest solutions to help women become more invited to become engineers.
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Sectarian infighting among conservatives that is leading to people losing their jobs regardless of their ability to do the work.

How's that? Think of this as an audition to be my editor.
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When he gets a settlement, I hope he reveals how much it was. I'm always curious about these outcomes.
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Howl posted...

Thus whole issue was fucking stupid. The entire reason feminists at google got butthurt was because he said women on average score higher in neuroticism, which is a fact. They misconstrued the pyschological term neuroticism for their crazy understanding that he meant all women are neurotic head cases. He didn't come any where close to suggesting women would be inferior as engineers and in fact he tried to suggest solutions to help women become more invited to become engineers.

all facts, all will go ignored by the attack dog SJWs.
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foreverzero212 posted...

Sonicblack35 posted...

hortanz posted...

and suggested women may be biologically inferior engineers,

Annnnnnd that's gonna be a "fair, next" from me, dawg.

There's a reason they infer he "suggested" that instead of actually quoting him. And it's because what actually happened is a lot less interesting.

Actually reading it this time and it sure does seem like that is what he's getting at. He presents a token show of "there is a lot of overlap in personality traits between the sexes and it's wrong to assume that the average group identity is representative of the whole." He even states that this overlap is big, so differences are minor. This makes his next section odd, because he lists the traits of the average group identity and points to them as significant reasons for the gender gap. So you have differences between the genders that aren't significant until you decide that they are, because they're a convenient scapegoat.

But that is beside the point. I don't particularly care about his argument now that I've seen it. He made the memo public and for the most part the public agrees that these differences are relatively minor. So, to be surprised that there was some backlash and that Google dropped you for it is just naive. It's far more likely that Google wanted to separate itself from bad PR rather than an attempt to "silence the dissenters".
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This is what goes on at Google

https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121
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He's not wrong about SV tech companies having a raging boner for SJW causes and overreacting to certain things as a result.
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His manifesto brings up some good points, but Google is a private company, they should be able to fire anyone for whatever reason they want.
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FL81 posted...

His manifesto brings up some good points, but Google is a private company, they should be able to fire anyone for whatever reason they want.

Whatever reason they want? Even if its because you're a certain race/gender/sexual orientation/other constitutionally protected class?

I mean I actually do disagree with this lawsuit even though I fully support everything James Damore has said, and I don't think he has much of a chance of winning, but "any reason they want" is a pretty heavy statement.

Plus Idk if his lawsuit is based on his actual firing or if he's just saying their general MO is discriminatory. Lol which would be pretty hard to argue since so many white males work there.
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Funbazooka posted...

This is what goes on at Google

https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121

Whoa. That was a good read. Itll be interesting to see how this affects Google when this kind of information starts being seen by more people.
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Funbazooka posted...

This is what goes on at Google

https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121

huh this is pretty interesting, I don't really see much wrong with the second image though
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hortanz posted...

Funbazooka posted...

This is what goes on at Google

https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121

huh this is pretty interesting, I don't really see much wrong with the second image though

Are you serious? You don't find anything wrong with trying to control who is and isn't allowed to speak on a panel?
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hortanz posted...

Funbazooka posted...

This is what goes on at Google

https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121

huh this is pretty interesting, I don't really see much wrong with the second image though

Wait, the Antifa one? The message literally has a line there that reads "I won't say violence has no place..."
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wow... I'm gonna go ahead and say this lawsuit has a great chance of at least getting a hefty settlement.
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hortanz posted...

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Is this like a stealth bump?
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