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Pepys Monster
12/31/17 5:07:35 PM
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He lost a lightsaber duel with Rey, who had no Jedi training whatsoever. Darth Maul took on two Jedi at once and killed one. Kylo is stated to be weaker than Darth Vader. Luke Skywalker defeated Vader. Basically, any Sith or Jedi could beat Kylo Ren. He's weak.
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armandro
12/31/17 5:09:08 PM
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He isn't weak

he is only weak when it comes to her

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Zack_Attackv1
12/31/17 5:09:53 PM
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To be fair, I would always go down for Rey.
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Doom_Art
12/31/17 5:11:30 PM
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"You're no Vader. You're just a child in a mask."
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boxington
12/31/17 5:11:33 PM
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the Force apparently made her strong as a counter to Kylo Ren's own strength

and in his defense, he had been critically injured by Chewie's bowcaster beforehand, which one shot killed everyone else it hit
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_Goggalor_
12/31/17 5:12:26 PM
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I see him as somewhat powerful, but much, much too clouded mentally to be a good deulist.
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ThePrinceFish
12/31/17 5:12:52 PM
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Dude catches a blaster bolt in mid air with the Force in his intro but can't out pull a woman whose Force training amounts to reaching out and feeling with her heart.
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Pepys Monster
12/31/17 5:13:08 PM
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boxington posted...
the Force apparently made her strong as a counter to Kylo Ren's own strength

and in his defense, he had been critically injured by Chewie's bowcaster beforehand, which one shot killed everyone else it hit

He's still inferior to Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Luke Skywalker, and probably even the weakest trained Jedi.
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Zack_Attackv1
12/31/17 5:13:38 PM
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boxington
12/31/17 5:14:07 PM
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he's strong enough that Luke, the strongest Jedi, is scared as shit
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armandro
12/31/17 5:15:05 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
boxington posted...
the Force apparently made her strong as a counter to Kylo Ren's own strength

and in his defense, he had been critically injured by Chewie's bowcaster beforehand, which one shot killed everyone else it hit

He's still inferior to Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Luke Skywalker, and probably even the weakest trained Jedi.

How much older are they?
He is stronger than Luke was at the start of the series.
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Damn_Underscore
12/31/17 5:15:19 PM
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I realized this when he took off his mask in TFA to reveal a horse
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_Goggalor_
12/31/17 5:15:33 PM
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Which speaks to Rey's strength. Literally. Luke says so.
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Offworlder1
12/31/17 5:15:45 PM
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Kylo Ren is a sad joke, AOTC Anakin could curb stomp his bitch ass.
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armandro
12/31/17 5:19:19 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
Kylo Ren is a sad joke, AOTC Anakin could curb stomp his bitch ass.

no
he isn't a girl
wait anakin has long hair
maybe he might be able to pull it off

nvm carry on
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Pepys Monster
12/31/17 5:22:54 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Which speaks to Rey's strength. Literally. Luke says so.

She's powerful and he's weak.
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_Goggalor_
12/31/17 5:29:59 PM
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But Luke said he'd seen her strength once before (Kylo). Therefore he's as strong as her. So...strong.
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pikachupwnage
12/31/17 5:33:24 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
I see him as somewhat powerful, but much, much too clouded mentally to be a good deulist.


This. He is Strong but he cannot focus his emotions.

Vader was full of hate but by the time of the original trilogy his hatred was harnessed and focused.

Kylo is very powerful but he simply doesnt have the focus and emotional maturity to reliably come anywhere close to his potential.

Rey has the same raw power with less training...but she can focus better because her emotions are less raw and explosive.

And to be fair she clearly demonstrated reasonable combat skills before she ever touched a lightsaber.
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Soviet_Poland
12/31/17 5:35:21 PM
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Well it's convenient the galaxy is devoid of any more jedi (sans Rey) or sith and kylo commands most of the first order.
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lilORANG
12/31/17 5:35:26 PM
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boxington posted...
the Force apparently made her strong as a counter to Kylo Ren's own strength

I think this is a misinterpretation of what was said, since it sort of contradicts how we know the force works.
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ThePrinceFish
12/31/17 5:36:20 PM
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lilORANG posted...
boxington posted...
the Force apparently made her strong as a counter to Kylo Ren's own strength

I think this is a misinterpretation of what was said, since it sort of contradicts how we know the force works.

Like that matters to Disney lmao
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CarlGrimes
12/31/17 5:36:44 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
but can't out pull a woman whose Force training amounts to reaching out and feeling with her heart.

That is the key phrase. She is tapping into the Force with her heart and he is dealing with a lot of conflicting emotions. His head isn't in the game so he is not up to his full potential.
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CanuckCowboy
12/31/17 5:40:03 PM
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boxington posted...
the Force apparently made her strong as a counter to Kylo Ren's own strength

and in his defense, he had been critically injured by Chewie's bowcaster beforehand, which one shot killed everyone else it hit


"wizards did it".
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Soviet_Poland
12/31/17 5:47:41 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
"wizards did it".


As if the force wasn't some magic deus ex machina from even the original trilogy.

Star wars fans are funny. They forget that the OT was literally the most black and white story of good vs evil in the era of the Cold War.

All the richness of the lore and the EU came after, and now we all inject literally a million different interpretations of a very basic moral story.
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Ving_Rhames
12/31/17 5:50:12 PM
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Yeah, not like he had taken a grenade tier blast to the abdomen before that or anything
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lilORANG
12/31/17 5:59:46 PM
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Ving_Rhames posted...
Yeah, not like he had taken a grenade tier blast to the abdomen before that or anything

This isn't why he lost tho. He was completely in control of the fight until Rey went Super Saiyan. Her being OP sealed the deal. Not him being wounded.
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HBOSS
12/31/17 6:04:33 PM
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Kylo Ren is a lost soul searching for meaning in the galaxy. He wanted to live up to legacy.

Rey is a lost soul searching her past for meaning. She wanted live and wait in the past to catch up to her.

The key to this story is how the world's changed for both. Rey was lonely trapped in the past. Ben Solo had everyone looking at him as the future. Now roles reversed. Kylo Ren is lonely with the power he craved with nobody to share it with. Rey is the future and hope of the galaxy...
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SSJGrimReaper
12/31/17 6:06:33 PM
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He should've kept the mask
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DifferentialEquation
12/31/17 6:07:03 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
boxington posted...
the Force apparently made her strong as a counter to Kylo Ren's own strength

and in his defense, he had been critically injured by Chewie's bowcaster beforehand, which one shot killed everyone else it hit

He's still inferior to Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Luke Skywalker, and probably even the weakest trained Jedi.


Kylo Ren would stomp Coleman Trebor.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/31/17 6:09:22 PM
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armandro posted...
He isn't weak

he is only weak when it comes to her

<33333333

rey is bae

Can't argue with this logic. /topic
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boxington
12/31/17 6:39:12 PM
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lilORANG posted...
boxington posted...
the Force apparently made her strong as a counter to Kylo Ren's own strength

I think this is a misinterpretation of what was said, since it sort of contradicts how we know the force works.

that could be.

I probably missed some of the details.
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