Current Events > Interview with the guy who swatted and got someone killed

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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Its funny. Soldiers dont piss themselves when they go overseas. They never fear for their lives when they see a civilian on the street touch their waist. And there could potentially be a terrorist around the corner at any moment. Think about that.

Its almost as if a multitude of cops are not only failed academics that would explain their ineptitude, but they seem to be failed soldiers that would explain their cowardice.

The solution is when we reform our police entry requirements. Its that simple.

Eh, Ive heard a lot on the contrary. Police forces love retired military, because they're often well trained with firearms and have been in stressful situations. Yet, some have been known to be a bit more trigger happy as their instincts they've honed overseas made them that way.

However, Ive also seen opposite be the same where they complain about the generation of cops not being used to stressful situations, like school yard fights, and they pull the trigger faster because they're scared of the conflict.

Police need to be a good mix of both, but the world's not perfect and most forces seem to be struggling to get proper numbers in their ranks.
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metralo posted...

until that's not enough and they make you beg and crawl around Andy make you do orders for them until they gun you down in cold blood anyways

that's exactly one case and i've never attempted to defend that at all. once again i have to state the obvious that of course there's going to be shitty people but in cases like this there's little the cops can do that wouldn't put their lives in danger

are they just supposed to give a calm knock on the door and just really hope it was a prank call?
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Welcome to Wichita.

Sadly there's not much else to do around here....
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Your country is so dumb. You can literally make a phone call and get the government to assassinate someone for you.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

what is anecdotal evidence for $500 alex?

better than "straight out of my ass"
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I would pay a good amount of money for this fucker to be publicly humiliated and charged on Judge Judy.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

You gather intel in a hostage situation, assess the situation without alerting the suspect, and then you engage.

You dont go sirens blazing like its fucking Die Hard.

oh shit now his mom is executed too fuck why didn't the cops act sooner???
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Fishy posted...

how would you train for "murder turned hostage situation with aggressive perp?"

Include consideration of this prank that has received popularity in recent years and assess more before resorting to lethal force. In general, there has to be a system of practice that takes into account civilians acting imperfectly.

It's pretty obvious that taxpayers do not want a police force that is this knee-jerk with all the outcry about the plethora of stories like this.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

It's a slam-dunk murder 2 conviction, and I suppose murder 1 isn't off the table since he had to look up the address

Nah.
It seems like involuntary manslaughter.
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That loser kept talking about how much of a well known swatter he was and how many times hes done it. Why the fuck was he not arrested a long time ago?

Caution999 posted...

I would pay a good amount of money for this fucker to be publicly humiliated and charged on Judge Judy.

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27_Sandman_40 posted...

You gather intel in a hostage situation, assess the situation without alerting the suspect, and then you engage.
You dont go sirens blazing like its fucking Die Hard.

I thought thats what the police did in Die Hard :p
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Wait so it wasn't even the right house?
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wdlp posted...

Wait so it wasn't even the right house?

It was the correct address that was given to the authorities
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Pow Pow Punishment posted...

Include consideration of this prank that has received popularity in recent years and assess more before resorting to lethal force. In general, there has to be a system of practice that takes into account civilians acting imperfectly.

It's pretty obvious that taxpayers do not want a police force that is this knee-jerk with all the outcry about the plethora of stories like this.

i'd say they need stricter punishments for the people that do it as deterrence. there are legitimate hostage situations that have no other solution than what occurred here, you can't have you police forces training for these events as if they're some kind of joke.

27_Sandman_40 posted...

If his mom were going to get executed without them, she most certainly is getting killed when you start blasting your sirens and ordering the suspect to come out.

some more "straight out of my ass" logic
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

You gather intel in a hostage situation, assess the situation without alerting the suspect, and then you engage.
You dont go sirens blazing like its fucking Die Hard.

I thought thats what the police did in Die Hard :p

Yeah but the terrorists were alerted when a congo line of cop cars showed up with their sirens on.

Hmm, true. I think I might watch that tonight. Good holiday movie
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This guy is such a friggin' moron. "I was almost instructed to swat this address."
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Fishy posted...

i'd say they need stricter punishments for the people that do it as deterrence. there are legitimate hostage situations that have no other solution than what occurred here, you can't have you police forces training for these events as if they're some kind of joke.

That only addresses swatting. Unarmed people getting shot is a much broader issue. Have you seen the Daniel Shaver video?

You're going too far with your interpretation of what we're advocating. Of course nobody is suggesting police train for dangerous situations without taking them seriously. We're saying it should take more to shoot someone because civilians are not trained and will behave imperfectly, so there needs to be a better system that accounts for this and doesn't let an officer shoot a harmless drunk guy who reaches down to pull his shorts up.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

retorted by straight out of my ass nothing

actually thats probably a fart. you just farted, good job.

tell me why, in a hostage situation where the hostage's only use would be to negotiate with police, he would kill the hostage because the police showed up after he himself called the police

i'll give you a few minutes to think about it
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Pow Pow Punishment posted...

That only addresses swatting. Unarmed people getting shot is a much broader issue. Have you seen the Daniel Shaver video?

You're going too far with your interpretation of what we're advocating. Do you really think people are suggesting police train for dangerous situations without taking them seriously? We're saying it should take more to shoot someone because civilians are not trained and will behave imperfectly, so there needs to be a better system that accounts for this and doesn't let an officer shoot a harmless drunk guy who reaches down to pull his shorts up.

I have seen the Daniel Shaver video, and I have never defended it. I'll never say that there's no such thing as a bad cop, but I will say in the majority of situations they all could've walked out alive if they just put their damn hands up. If you're too much of a mongoloid to raise your hands in a stressful situation you're going to have a hard life.
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Fishy posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

You gather intel in a hostage situation, assess the situation without alerting the suspect, and then you engage.

You dont go sirens blazing like its fucking Die Hard.

oh shit now his mom is executed too fuck why didn't the cops act sooner???

But this didn't happen...

Have to admit that the police totally misread the situation, and are woefully under prepared to deal with this sort of fabrication. I mean literally shooting first, and asking questions later...
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Shut up. He wasnt involved and had no idea what was going on. He stepped outside to assess the station. A bunch of dudes dressed in black, has no idea what they were doing might not have even immediately put together that they were cops...but its his fault for not putting his hands up within seconds of all that. Not the trained officer. Its the confused persons fault. Fuck off. Im not saying the cop should be put on trial and given 25 to life. Im saying we should expect better and not be expected to coddle THEM (especially when we have no idea whats going on)
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

But this didn't happen...

Have to admit that the police totally misread the situation, and are woefully under prepared to deal with this sort of fabrication. I mean literally shooting first, and asking questions later...

Please put yourself in their situation.

"Okay officer KYOJIROKAGENUMA, we've got a hostage situation at 123 Yellow Street, the perpetrator killed his father and has his mother hostage. The house is currently doused in gasoline and he's threatening to kill his mother and light it soon. He's armed and dangerous.

Go respond to it."

What are you going to do?
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Fishy posted...

KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

But this didn't happen...

Have to admit that the police totally misread the situation, and are woefully under prepared to deal with this sort of fabrication. I mean literally shooting first, and asking questions later...

Please put yourself in their situation.

"Okay officer KYOJIROKAGENUMA, we've got a hostage situation at 123 Yellow Street, the perpetrator killed his father and has his mother hostage. The house is currently doused in gasoline and he's threatening to kill his mother and light it soon. He's armed and dangerous.

Go respond to it."

What are you going to do?

I would confirm the situation.
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you are in the right ballpark of system overhaul, but stuff like the below is just not backed by any sort of fact
idk why you'd try to sweep the military in with this

27_Sandman_40 posted...

Soldiers dont piss themselves when they go overseas. They never fear for their lives when they see a civilian on the street touch their waist.

there is a whole host of overseas issues and dormant ptsd upon returning
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

I would confirm the situation.

He's currently on the phone with dispatch as I'm briefing you. Why are you still here he's threatening to kill her right now?

This isn't Rainbow Six Siege, you don't have a prep phase before the action starts.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

Fishy posted...

KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

But this didn't happen...

Have to admit that the police totally misread the situation, and are woefully under prepared to deal with this sort of fabrication. I mean literally shooting first, and asking questions later...

Please put yourself in their situation.

"Okay officer KYOJIROKAGENUMA, we've got a hostage situation at 123 Yellow Street, the perpetrator killed his father and has his mother hostage. The house is currently doused in gasoline and he's threatening to kill his mother and light it soon. He's armed and dangerous.

Go respond to it."

What are you going to do?

I would confirm the situation.

I also wonder why a fire truck isn't there or at least on the way, and a ambulance....
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Fishy posted...

I have seen the Daniel Shaver video, and I have never defended it. I'll never say that there's no such thing as a bad cop, but I will say in the majority of situations they all could've walked out alive if they just put their damn hands up. If you're too much of a mongoloid to raise your hands in a stressful situation you're going to have a hard life.

It'd be terrible policing to say they should be shot for not obeying commands and that they're "mongoloids" because they're panicking or drunk.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

I also wonder why a fire truck isn't there or at least on the way, and a ambulance....

Because it's an armed hostage situation???

fuck man i give up
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All you gotta do to murder someone in America is call the police to their house with a hoax.

Bet the cop will get away with it too.
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Fishy posted...

KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

I would confirm the situation.

He's currently on the phone with dispatch as I'm briefing you. Why are you still here he's threatening to kill her right now?

This isn't Rainbow Six Siege, you don't have a prep phase before the action starts.

But that's the problem, The information is wrong. If you can't take actions to verify the situation before you act on it, isn't that problematic?

I realize that you have to be quick when reacting to situations, but we can't be thoughtless....
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Fishy posted...

KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

I also wonder why a fire truck isn't there or at least on the way, and a ambulance....

Because it's an armed hostage situation???

fuck man i give up

Even the more reason to have at least EMTs on scene to treat potential victims...

Also I just saw the footage. While the cop theoretically is justified in his actions, the circumstances are still pretty absurd - they've got blinding flashlights on the guy, even if he did have a gun and pulled it out, the odds of him hitting anything are so slim.
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I have no remorse for people that willingly do something illegal and something bad happens because of it.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

Fishy posted...

KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

I would confirm the situation.

He's currently on the phone with dispatch as I'm briefing you. Why are you still here he's threatening to kill her right now?

This isn't Rainbow Six Siege, you don't have a prep phase before the action starts.

But that's the problem, The information is wrong. If you can't take actions to verify the situation before you act on it, isn't that problematic?

I realize that you have to be quick when reacting to situations, but we can't be thoughtless....

How can they "verify the information", though? Like through which channels and by which means do you propose they do that?
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Fishy posted...

KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

I also wonder why a fire truck isn't there or at least on the way, and a ambulance....

Because it's an armed hostage situation???

fuck man i give up

Wait you're exacerbated?
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I hope the asshole who gave this guys address, the jackass prick who called in a false report, and the cop who did not assess the situation all get suitable punishment.

There should not be a slap on the wrist for the two gamers, they both need actual jail time.
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Fishy posted...

If you're too much of a *offensive* to raise your hands in a stressful situation you're going to have a hard life

In that case he was instructed to crawl after he had his hands up. Shut the fuck up
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

Wait you're exacerbated?

nah it's pointless arguing with people who can't see both sides of an argument
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Fishy posted...

If you're too much of a mongoloid to raise your hands in a stressful situation you're going to have a hard life.

can we get a running tally of people who put their hands up when confused/stressed/curious? because I'm going to go ahead and assert it is almost none and that nobody sane immediately puts their hands up, forfeiting their autonomy, when confronted with a situation they are still trying to determine
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