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JBaLLEN66
12/31/17 8:57:13 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Godforbid I follow traditional values that got humanity this far


What set values? Values have changed over time thru out humanity.
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JBaLLEN66
12/31/17 8:57:58 AM
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UncleBourbon33 posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
As Christians, the Bible calls on all of us to show kindness, humbleness, and generosity unto others...

It's not generosity to give away someone else's wealth.

The world will only become a better place when we stop caring about ourselves most of all and start caring about each other, and act for the good of society rather than our own self-interest.

I'm all for voluntary charity of individuals, not government taking my earned shit and giving it to lazy bums.


But youre fine with rich people taking it?
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Stupid Pirate Guy
12/31/17 9:27:54 AM
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Liberals are facists in how they want to impose their feelings as policy that all need to abide by and pay into.
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Darklit_Minuet
12/31/17 10:53:42 AM
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UncleBourbon33 posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
As Christians, the Bible calls on all of us to show kindness, humbleness, and generosity unto others...

It's not generosity to give away someone else's wealth.

The world will only become a better place when we stop caring about ourselves most of all and start caring about each other, and act for the good of society rather than our own self-interest.

I'm all for voluntary charity of individuals, not government taking my earned shit and giving it to lazy bums.

Taxes are voluntary charity. If you don't want to pay them, you simply move to another country and renounce your citizenship.
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Kineth
12/31/17 11:23:16 AM
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Is there a problem with working together with people to conservatives?
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Stupid Pirate Guy
12/31/17 11:24:33 AM
#57:


Taxes are voluntary charity.


This statement is so stupid it gave me cancer. Good thing I don't have shitty universal healthcare.
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Stupid Pirate Guy
12/31/17 11:29:28 AM
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Kineth posted...
Is there a problem with working together with people to conservatives?

Not at all we're simply opposed to the government having control over every aspect of our lives. Many liberals want the US to become a socialist regime while failing to realize that every socialist government has been a massive failure and in the worst cases led to tyrannical dictatorship.
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SuperNamekGod
12/31/17 11:54:41 AM
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I say both cease to exist because all the parties/ideologies are good for is dividing people apart for personal gain.

They're both dumbassses too.

They both deny science and history. The made up gender shit and BBC fanning the flames of this afrocentric movement of inaccurate history people comes to mind for liberals and evolution and climate change for conservatives.

Liberals go to the ends of the earth to be tolerant and politically correct but the actual places that practice oppressive laws like Sharia Law I don't hear often because video game titty is more important.

Alt righters are anti semitic holocaust deniers who aren't bright at all and get their news from Infowars and obscure youtube videos with some random person who isn't an expert on anything explaining why any major tragedy is a hoax.

You both suck equally. Hop off your high horses and learn that you have to work together to accomplish something. Not fight. You think the gov. officials that are in your party care? They don't. It's a business, they're putting on a front. They appease the dumbasses by certain promises they never keep to get elected and ultimately do nothing.

So don't put everything on conservatism, both sides are slowly ruining our country with pointless tensions. When scars could be healed if people weren't preoccupied by red and blue.
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Stupid Pirate Guy
12/31/17 12:02:41 PM
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There is a huge difference between conservatives and the alt right.
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SuperNamekGod
12/31/17 12:04:14 PM
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Stupid Pirate Guy posted...
There is a huge difference between conservatives and the alt right.

Alt righters are conservatives though. Just extreme. Not all of them are, that's obvious. I was pointing out shitty things in each party.
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TomNook20
12/31/17 12:06:21 PM
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I honestly have to wonder how people can take positions split on party lines. Politics is not a sport, you aren't on a team. Your views on taxation and transgender bathroom laws should not be tied to each other.
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Turbam
12/31/17 12:09:06 PM
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There's good and bad on both sides
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Darklit_Minuet
12/31/17 12:40:22 PM
#65:


TomNook20 posted...
I honestly have to wonder how people can take positions split on party lines. Politics is not a sport, you aren't on a team. Your views on taxation and transgender bathroom laws should not be tied to each other.

It's pretty easy to see how they are though

If you're a good person, you don't want to discriminate against transgender people, and you want the poor to be helped. If you're a bad person, you want to hoard all your money to yourself and also hate transgender people.

Conservative positions are always bad. Liberal positions aren't always good, but they're always better than the alternative
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TomNook20
12/31/17 6:15:32 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
I honestly have to wonder how people can take positions split on party lines. Politics is not a sport, you aren't on a team. Your views on taxation and transgender bathroom laws should not be tied to each other.

It's pretty easy to see how they are though

If you're a good person, you don't want to discriminate against transgender people, and you want the poor to be helped. If you're a bad person, you want to hoard all your money to yourself and also hate transgender people.

Conservative positions are always bad. Liberal positions aren't always good, but they're always better than the alternative

Stop posting.
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Darklit_Minuet
12/31/17 8:19:45 PM
#67:


TomNook20 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
I honestly have to wonder how people can take positions split on party lines. Politics is not a sport, you aren't on a team. Your views on taxation and transgender bathroom laws should not be tied to each other.

It's pretty easy to see how they are though

If you're a good person, you don't want to discriminate against transgender people, and you want the poor to be helped. If you're a bad person, you want to hoard all your money to yourself and also hate transgender people.

Conservative positions are always bad. Liberal positions aren't always good, but they're always better than the alternative

Stop posting.

Prove me wrong
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C7D
01/01/18 12:13:31 AM
#68:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
I honestly have to wonder how people can take positions split on party lines. Politics is not a sport, you aren't on a team. Your views on taxation and transgender bathroom laws should not be tied to each other.

It's pretty easy to see how they are though

If you're a good person, you don't want to discriminate against transgender people, and you want the poor to be helped. If you're a bad person, you want to hoard all your money to yourself and also hate transgender people.

Conservative positions are always bad. Liberal positions aren't always good, but they're always better than the alternative

Stop posting.

Prove me wrong


Not all people were bad before 2017?
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_OujiDoza_
01/01/18 12:16:00 AM
#69:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
I'm all for voluntary charity of individuals, not government taking my earned shit and giving it to lazy bums.

I tend to think that people who say this are likely not willing to give at all under any circumstances if they have the option...
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eggcorn
01/01/18 12:25:41 AM
#70:


TomNook20 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
I honestly have to wonder how people can take positions split on party lines. Politics is not a sport, you aren't on a team. Your views on taxation and transgender bathroom laws should not be tied to each other.

It's pretty easy to see how they are though

If you're a good person, you don't want to discriminate against transgender people, and you want the poor to be helped. If you're a bad person, you want to hoard all your money to yourself and also hate transgender people.

Conservative positions are always bad. Liberal positions aren't always good, but they're always better than the alternative

Stop posting.
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Darklit_Minuet
01/01/18 2:01:47 AM
#71:


C7D posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
I honestly have to wonder how people can take positions split on party lines. Politics is not a sport, you aren't on a team. Your views on taxation and transgender bathroom laws should not be tied to each other.

It's pretty easy to see how they are though

If you're a good person, you don't want to discriminate against transgender people, and you want the poor to be helped. If you're a bad person, you want to hoard all your money to yourself and also hate transgender people.

Conservative positions are always bad. Liberal positions aren't always good, but they're always better than the alternative

Stop posting.

Prove me wrong


Not all people were bad before 2017?

Well yeah. Plenty of people were non-conservative before 2017. What's your point?
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C7D
01/01/18 12:08:57 PM
#72:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
C7D posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
TomNook20 posted...
I honestly have to wonder how people can take positions split on party lines. Politics is not a sport, you aren't on a team. Your views on taxation and transgender bathroom laws should not be tied to each other.

It's pretty easy to see how they are though

If you're a good person, you don't want to discriminate against transgender people, and you want the poor to be helped. If you're a bad person, you want to hoard all your money to yourself and also hate transgender people.

Conservative positions are always bad. Liberal positions aren't always good, but they're always better than the alternative

Stop posting.

Prove me wrong


Not all people were bad before 2017?

Well yeah. Plenty of people were non-conservative before 2017. What's your point?


Classical conservatism embraces the ideals of what was successful in the past. Those ideals had to be current at some point and the popular opinion.
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masticatingman
01/01/18 12:14:54 PM
#73:


Please stop making politics into a religion. If either political party held their own version of an inquisition today, Id be burned at the stake by either one.
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Kineth
01/01/18 3:53:43 PM
#74:


Stupid Pirate Guy posted...
Kineth posted...
Is there a problem with working together with people to conservatives?

Not at all we're simply opposed to the government having control over every aspect of our lives. Many liberals..


Stop. You just showed you don't want to work with others.
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DarthAragorn
01/01/18 3:54:19 PM
#75:


Pass
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Kim Kusanagi
01/01/18 4:25:09 PM
#76:


Kazi1212 posted...
Godforbid I follow traditional values that got humanity this far


So you oppose conservatives then?
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DifferentialEquation
01/03/18 12:16:06 AM
#77:


It's interesting how @Mal_Fet 's topics of posting screencaps of radical leftists kept getting locked for being trollbait, not being useful, <insert bullshit excuse here>, etc. but this is somehow allowed to persist.

Would any moderator care to comment on the double standard?
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Mal_Fet
01/03/18 2:52:40 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
It's interesting how @Mal_Fet 's topics of posting screencaps of radical leftists kept getting locked for being trollbait, not being useful, <insert bullshit excuse here>, etc. but this is somehow allowed to persist.

Would any moderator care to comment on the double standard?

The mods are a bunch of leddit mod rejects, go figure
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nicklebro
01/03/18 3:05:59 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
As Christians, the Bible calls on all of us to show kindness, humbleness, and generosity unto others...

It's not generosity to give away someone else's wealth.

Then what about all of the wealthy liberals? Lol conservatives always try to paint liberals as wanting things from other people when in reality liberalism is based mainly in compassion which means the motivation is for everyone to be taken care of. See conservatives misconstrue this because you are truly selfish and don't want to help a single other person and see that as the best way of thinking, until you yourself need help. Funny how that happens.

What you should be arguing is that society would crumble if there was no motivation to better your life, which is exactly why communist countries fail. If everyone's all getting the same thing, then why bother working? But of course trolls can never use actual facts in your arguments, always have to resort to dishonest nonsense.

You're part of the problem.

As for the topic, oh shut up. Without conservatives, liberals would destroy the country. And without liberals, conservatives would destroy the country. We need each other, if you haven't figured that out yet, well you're just too ignorant to be giving advice to the country.
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Mal_Fet
01/03/18 3:09:44 AM
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nicklebro posted...
Then what about all of the wealthy liberals? Lol conservatives always try to paint liberals as wanting things from other people when in reality liberalism is based mainly in compassion which means the motivation is for everyone to be taken care of. See conservatives misconstrue this because you are truly selfish and don't want to help a single other person and see that as the best way of thinking, until you yourself need help. Funny how that happens.

What if redistributing wealth didn't actually help anyone in the long run though? Would it still be compassionate to redistribute wealth?

Think about it: what usually happens to poor people who win the lottery? How much of that money do they have after 10 years, do you think?

What if socialist policies only serve to make people poor in the long run (Venezuela) while the free market serves to raise the standard of living of everyone in the long run (Cambodia)?
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nicklebro
01/03/18 3:15:39 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
nicklebro posted...
Then what about all of the wealthy liberals? Lol conservatives always try to paint liberals as wanting things from other people when in reality liberalism is based mainly in compassion which means the motivation is for everyone to be taken care of. See conservatives misconstrue this because you are truly selfish and don't want to help a single other person and see that as the best way of thinking, until you yourself need help. Funny how that happens.

What if redistributing wealth didn't actually help anyone in the long run though? Would it still be compassionate to redistribute wealth?

Think about it: what usually happens to poor people who win the lottery? How much of that money do they have after 10 years, do you think?

What if socialist policies only serve to make people poor in the long run (Venezuela) while the free market serves to raise the standard of living of everyone in the long run (Cambodia)?

See now that is a legitimate argument that I can agree with. Well sort of. Wealth redistribution is totally fine as long as it remains at a rational level. Can't go full communist, but also can't let the nation be run by oligarchs who control all of the wealth. There's a spot in the middle somewhere that we need to find, especially with automation taking more and more of our jobs. We need social safety nets and we should be using our national resources to invest in our population like European countries do by paying for their citizens education and things like paternal leave, etc. Those things benefit individuals and the country as a whole. But just taking all the money and distributing it out evenly is a horrendous idea.

See you're saying socialist policies ONLY serve to make people poor int he long run which is false, while also saying the free market always serves to raise the standard of living for EVERYONE in the long run, which is also false.

Here's a tip, anytime you think you're ALWAYS right, you're definitely not.
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_OujiDoza_
01/03/18 10:31:02 AM
#82:


Durrrrr dem damned Librrrruuuullls!
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Kineth
01/03/18 3:55:00 PM
#83:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Would any moderator care to comment on the double standard?


Nope. A moderator won't be your tissue paper. For your tears, that is.
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DesuDeku
01/03/18 7:12:21 PM
#84:


Bump because I want to see what happens
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--kresnik--
01/03/18 7:13:55 PM
#85:


Not a chance. We are in power.
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Kim Kusanagi
01/04/18 5:01:51 AM
#86:


--kresnik-- posted...
Not a chance. We are in power.


Nah
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ChromaticAngel
01/04/18 5:07:26 AM
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UncleBourbon33 posted...
I'm a conservative. What's so bad about limited government and personal responsibility?

This is like saying, "I'm a National Socialist. What's so bad about banning animal cruelty and building highways?"
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C7D
01/04/18 9:16:12 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
I'm a conservative. What's so bad about limited government and personal responsibility?

This is like saying, "I'm a National Socialist. What's so bad about banning animal cruelty and building highways?"


Is it? Those are the key principles in conservatism though they are rarely followed. I dont think those are the key tenets of national socialism rather they are intended side effects of their policy platform. We have many ideologues on both sides when reality is somewhere in the middle. Its like both sides are entering a long tunnel from opposite ends. The distance between them is so long that neither side can see the light at the end.
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SavenForever
01/04/18 9:32:57 AM
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Mal_Fet
01/04/18 5:18:42 PM
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Keeping this bumped for reasons
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Darklit_Minuet
01/04/18 7:18:26 PM
#91:


Bump
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Kim Kusanagi
01/04/18 8:03:48 PM
#92:


Mal_Fet posted...
Keeping this bumped for reasons


Reasons?
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