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yoshifan1 12/29/17 10:11:33 AM #102:	A religious freedom law as they interpret it would be interesting. I do wonder if those sponsoring it realize religious freedom means all religions, not just Christianity? --- Sandwiches are made with bread. <cite>yoshifan1 posted [p:893061398] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>A religious freedom law as they interpret it would be interesting. I do wonder if those sponsoring it realize religious freedom means all religions, not just Christianity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PizzaPatty 12/29/17 10:12:22 AM #103:	This is literally the most beautiful thing I have ever read this is true justice at work. Personally I feel the punishment is a little on the light side. <cite>PizzaPatty posted [p:893061429] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>This is literally the most beautiful thing I have ever read this is true justice at work. Personally I feel the punishment is a little on the light side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 12/29/17 10:13:11 AM #105:	I remember the original story. Can't believe that was 5 years ago. I guess it's controversial to say but if you want to run your business as a bigot, technically that shouldn't be against any laws. --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:893061462] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>I remember the original story. Can't believe that was 5 years ago. I guess it's controversial to say but if you want to run your business as a bigot, technically that shouldn't be against any laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 12/29/17 10:20:16 AM #106:	ollie89 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Don't open a business if following the law goes against your religious beliefs. This, pretty much. General progression of society has led to Christian homophobia being seen as outdated and unwanted, much like how we no longer make black people sit at a separate section in restaurants or make Jewish people wear badges identifying themselves as such. If you hold such awful views in this day and age, don't **ing operate a business that serves the public. <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:893061705] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>ollie89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>Don't open a business if following the law goes against your religious beliefs. </quote></quote> This, pretty much. General progression of society has led to Christian homophobia being seen as outdated and unwanted, much like how we no longer make black people sit at a separate section in restaurants or make Jewish people wear badges identifying themselves as such. If you hold such awful views in this day and age, don't **ing operate a business that serves the public.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 10:22:30 AM #107:	Asherlee10 posted... I don't agree that your explanation of it not being discrimination because it's a religious belief holds weight. It seems that they used their religious belief to discriminate. Well then you're wrong. They're not refusing to serve lesbians a wedding cake just because they're lesbians. They're refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. That's not discrimination. It would be discriminatory if they were refusing to bake a cake simply because of the fact that they were baking if for lesbians, but that's not the case. This isn't about who they were baking cake for, it's about the fact they are taking part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight man, who was a friend of the lesbians, had come to the baker and asked them to bake the cake, and said it was for a lesbian wedding, the bakers would have still refused. In that case, they would have been directly serving a straight man. Are they discriminating against him somehow? If these bakers were refusing to serve homosexuals anything just because they're homosexuals, that would be discriminatory. But that's not what is happening here, and shame on the judge for not recognizing this. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893061781] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't agree that your explanation of it not being discrimination because it's a religious belief holds weight. It seems that they used their religious belief to discriminate.</quote> Well then you're wrong. They're not refusing to serve lesbians a wedding cake just because they're lesbians. They're refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. That's not discrimination. It would be discriminatory if they were refusing to bake a cake simply because of the fact that they were baking if for lesbians, but that's not the case. This isn't about who they were baking cake for, it's about the fact they are taking part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight man, who was a friend of the lesbians, had come to the baker and asked them to bake the cake, and said it was for a lesbian wedding, the bakers would have still refused. In that case, they would have been directly serving a straight man. Are they discriminating against him somehow? If these bakers were refusing to serve homosexuals anything just because they're homosexuals, that would be discriminatory. But that's not what is happening here, and shame on the judge for not recognizing this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 12/29/17 10:25:32 AM #108:	Vindris_SNH posted... They're calling his refusal to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding "discrimination", which it is clearly not. It indisputably is. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:893061887] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>They're calling his refusal to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding "discrimination", which it is clearly not. </quote> It indisputably is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ollie89 12/29/17 10:26:51 AM #109:	ArchiePeck posted... ollie89 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Don't open a business if following the law goes against your religious beliefs. This, pretty much. General progression of society has led to Christian homophobia being seen as outdated and unwanted, much like how we no longer make black people sit at a separate section in restaurants or make Jewish people wear badges identifying themselves as such. If you hold such awful views in this day and age, don't **ing operate a business that serves the public. --- Woo! <cite>ollie89 posted [p:893061940] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ollie89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>Don't open a business if following the law goes against your religious beliefs. </quote></quote> This, pretty much. General progression of society has led to Christian homophobia being seen as outdated and unwanted, much like how we no longer make black people sit at a separate section in restaurants or make Jewish people wear badges identifying themselves as such. If you hold such awful views in this day and age, don't **ing operate a business that serves the public.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 10:26:57 AM #110:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... They're calling his refusal to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding "discrimination", which it is clearly not. It indisputably is. You should continue reading my post. It is indisputably not discrimination. You people should think for yourselves for once, and stop listening to nonsense that other people spew at you. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893061942] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>They're calling his refusal to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding "discrimination", which it is clearly not. </quote> It indisputably is.</quote> You should continue reading my post. It is indisputably not discrimination. You people should think for yourselves for once, and stop listening to nonsense that other people spew at you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ollie89 12/29/17 10:29:06 AM #112:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... I don't agree that your explanation of it not being discrimination because it's a religious belief holds weight. It seems that they used their religious belief to discriminate. Well then you're wrong. They're not refusing to serve lesbians a wedding cake just because they're lesbians. They're refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. That's not discrimination. It would be discriminatory if they were refusing to bake a cake simply because of the fact that they were baking if for lesbians, but that's not the case. This isn't about who they were baking cake for, it's about the fact they are taking part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight man, who was a friend of the lesbians, had come to the baker and asked them to bake the cake, and said it was for a lesbian wedding, the bakers would have still refused. In that case, they would have been directly serving a straight man. Are they discriminating against him somehow? If these bakers were refusing to serve homosexuals anything just because they're homosexuals, that would be discriminatory. But that's not what is happening here, and shame on the judge for not recognizing this. Everything you've described is actually discrimination in the name of religion. --- Woo! <cite>ollie89 posted [p:893062027] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't agree that your explanation of it not being discrimination because it's a religious belief holds weight. It seems that they used their religious belief to discriminate.</quote> Well then you're wrong. They're not refusing to serve lesbians a wedding cake just because they're lesbians. They're refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. That's not discrimination. It would be discriminatory if they were refusing to bake a cake simply because of the fact that they were baking if for lesbians, but that's not the case. This isn't about who they were baking cake for, it's about the fact they are taking part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight man, who was a friend of the lesbians, had come to the baker and asked them to bake the cake, and said it was for a lesbian wedding, the bakers would have still refused. In that case, they would have been directly serving a straight man. Are they discriminating against him somehow? If these bakers were refusing to serve homosexuals anything just because they're homosexuals, that would be discriminatory. But that's not what is happening here, and shame on the judge for not recognizing this.</quote> Everything you've described is actually discrimination in the name of religion.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 10:33:37 AM #113:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... I don't agree that your explanation of it not being discrimination because it's a religious belief holds weight. It seems that they used their religious belief to discriminate. Well then you're wrong. They're not refusing to serve lesbians a wedding cake just because they're lesbians. They're refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. That's not discrimination. It would be discriminatory if they were refusing to bake a cake simply because of the fact that they were baking if for lesbians, but that's not the case. This isn't about who they were baking cake for, it's about the fact they are taking part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight man, who was a friend of the lesbians, had come to the baker and asked them to bake the cake, and said it was for a lesbian wedding, the bakers would have still refused. In that case, they would have been directly serving a straight man. Are they discriminating against him somehow? If these bakers were refusing to serve homosexuals anything just because they're homosexuals, that would be discriminatory. But that's not what is happening here, and shame on the judge for not recognizing this. Everything you've described is actually discrimination in the name of religion. It would be discrimination if they were refusing to serve them because they were lesbians, but that is not the case. I'm sure they're happy to serve homosexuals whatever they want, but they are refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. There's a difference between integrity and discrimination. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893062207] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't agree that your explanation of it not being discrimination because it's a religious belief holds weight. It seems that they used their religious belief to discriminate.</quote> Well then you're wrong. They're not refusing to serve lesbians a wedding cake just because they're lesbians. They're refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. That's not discrimination. It would be discriminatory if they were refusing to bake a cake simply because of the fact that they were baking if for lesbians, but that's not the case. This isn't about who they were baking cake for, it's about the fact they are taking part in the celebration of something they believe is morally wrong. If a straight man, who was a friend of the lesbians, had come to the baker and asked them to bake the cake, and said it was for a lesbian wedding, the bakers would have still refused. In that case, they would have been directly serving a straight man. Are they discriminating against him somehow? If these bakers were refusing to serve homosexuals anything just because they're homosexuals, that would be discriminatory. But that's not what is happening here, and shame on the judge for not recognizing this.</quote> Everything you've described is actually discrimination in the name of religion.</quote> It would be discrimination if they were refusing to serve them because they were lesbians, but that is not the case. I'm sure they're happy to serve homosexuals whatever they want, but they are refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. There's a difference between integrity and discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 12/29/17 10:33:53 AM #114:	Vindris_SNH posted... You should continue reading my post. It is indisputably not discrimination. I did. Nothing else you said changes the fact that it is indisputably discrimination. A straight couple would be provided with a wedding cake. The lesbian couple was turned away. That is discrimination, quite literally. If you disagree, you don't know what the word discrimination means. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:893062221] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>You should continue reading my post. It is indisputably not discrimination.</quote> I did. Nothing else you said changes the fact that it is indisputably discrimination. A straight couple would be provided with a wedding cake. The lesbian couple was turned away. That is discrimination, quite literally. If you disagree, you don't know what the word discrimination means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 12/29/17 10:35:13 AM #115:	Vindris_SNH posted... It would be discrimination if they were refusing to serve them because they were lesbians, but that is not the case. I'm sure they're happy to serve homosexuals whatever they want, but they are refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. There's a difference between integrity and discrimination. They were just making the cake, they weren't invited to the damn wedding. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:893062281] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>It would be discrimination if they were refusing to serve them because they were lesbians, but that is not the case. I'm sure they're happy to serve homosexuals whatever they want, but they are refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. There's a difference between integrity and discrimination. </quote> They were just making the cake, they weren't invited to the damn wedding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 10:35:28 AM #116:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... You should continue reading my post. It is indisputably not discrimination. I did. Nothing else you said changes the fact that it in disputably is discrimination. A straight couple would be provided with a wedding cake. The lesbian couple was turned away. That is discrimination, quite literally. If you disagree, you don't know what the word discrimination means. What you're not getting is that they didn't refuse to serve this lesbian couple because they were lesbians. They were refusing to take part in a celebration of homosexuality, because it goes against their moral code. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893062296] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>You should continue reading my post. It is indisputably not discrimination.</quote> I did. Nothing else you said changes the fact that it in disputably is discrimination. A straight couple would be provided with a wedding cake. The lesbian couple was turned away. That is discrimination, quite literally. If you disagree, you don't know what the word discrimination means.</quote> What you're not getting is that they didn't refuse to serve this lesbian couple because they were lesbians. They were refusing to take part in a celebration of homosexuality, because it goes against their moral code.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 12/29/17 10:35:30 AM #117:	It would be discrimination if they were refusing to serve them because they were lesbians, but that is not the case. I'm sure they're happy to serve homosexuals whatever they want, but they are refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. There's a difference between integrity and discrimination. "We're not discriminating against black people, we just don't want to celebrate black people getting married!" <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:893062299] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><quote>It would be discrimination if they were refusing to serve them because they were lesbians, but that is not the case. I'm sure they're happy to serve homosexuals whatever they want, but they are refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. There's a difference between integrity and discrimination.</quote> "We're not discriminating against black people, we just don't want to celebrate black people getting married!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lil_Bit83 12/29/17 10:38:26 AM #119:	If you lose a lawsuit, you have to pay right? The law states that a business cannot discriminate against people because of race, gender, sexual orientation or religion. They decided to be assholes about what should be a non-issue and are reaping what they sowed. "We don't serve your kind here" is an unacceptable way to run a public service. Edit: And posting the couple's address and encouraging death threats and harassment is unforgivable. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:893062397] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>If you lose a lawsuit, you have to pay right? The law states that a business cannot discriminate against people because of race, gender, sexual orientation or religion. They decided to be assholes about what should be a non-issue and are reaping what they sowed. "We don't serve your kind here" is an unacceptable way to run a public service. Edit: And posting the couple's address and encouraging death threats and harassment is unforgivable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 12/29/17 10:39:22 AM #120:	Vindris_SNH posted... What you're not getting is that they didn't refuse to serve this lesbian couple because they were lesbians. Yes they did. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:893062451] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>What you're not getting is that they didn't refuse to serve this lesbian couple because they were lesbians. </quote> Yes they did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:06:10 AM #121:	@Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? You see, this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893063598] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>@Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? You see, this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gafemage 12/29/17 11:09:40 AM #123:	Vindris_SNH posted... @Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? You see, this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it. Earnestly comparing gay people to nazis. Jesus fucking Christ. --- http://imgur.com/1EOFcjn http://imgur.com/epjd8zk <cite>Gafemage posted [p:893063741] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>@Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? You see, this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it.</quote> Earnestly comparing gay people to nazis. Jesus fucking Christ.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:09:51 AM #124:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... @Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? Nazis are not a protected class. this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893063752] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>@Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake?</quote> Nazis are not a protected class.</quote> <quote>this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:10:30 AM #125:	Gafemage posted... Earnestly comparing gay people to nazis. Jesus fucking Christ. Earnestly thinking I'm comparing gay people to Nazis. Jesus fucking Christ. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893063776] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gafemage posted...</cite> <quote>Earnestly comparing gay people to nazis. Jesus fucking Christ.</quote> Earnestly thinking I'm comparing gay people to Nazis. Jesus fucking Christ.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:13:17 AM #127:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... @Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? Nazis are not a protected class. this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it. Again, that is using your religion as a means to discriminate. I'm sorry to say, but no matter how many examples you think you can come up with it isn't going to change that. The baker isn't refusing to serve the lesbian couple a cake because they're lesbians. The baker is refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. That is why the baker would be willing to serve a lesbian if it were for the celebration of a birthday, but not the celebration of homosexuality. It's not discrimination, it is moral integrity. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893063889] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>@Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake?</quote> Nazis are not a protected class.</quote> <quote>this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it.</quote></quote> Again, that is using your religion as a means to discriminate. I'm sorry to say, but no matter how many examples you think you can come up with it isn't going to change that.</quote> The baker isn't refusing to serve the lesbian couple a cake because they're lesbians. The baker is refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. That is why the baker would be willing to serve a lesbian if it were for the celebration of a birthday, but not the celebration of homosexuality. It's not discrimination, it is moral integrity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 12/29/17 11:17:31 AM #128:	Disgusting to be celebrating two people losing their livelihood. They have the right to refuse service to anyone at anytime. I hope through appeals this gets over turned, those two morons don't deserve anything. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:893064071] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>Disgusting to be celebrating two people losing their livelihood. They have the right to refuse service to anyone at anytime. I hope through appeals this gets over turned, those two morons don't deserve anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gimli 12/29/17 11:18:35 AM #129:	Not a single turdburglar is trying to address the doxxing. Clearly they know they are in the wrong. <cite>Gimli posted [p:893064114] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>Not a single turdburglar is trying to address the doxxing. Clearly they know they are in the wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charocks 12/29/17 11:20:28 AM #130:	"Jesus said love thy neighbor as long as they're white heterosexuals!" I'm not religious at all but I believe that God/Jesus is looking down on us and saying WTF. --- Fluffy Pony Abuse is deranged - GT AN EWOKS WRATH Official Arrow in the Knee of the Skyrim board (360) <cite>Charocks posted [p:893064187] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>"Jesus said love thy neighbor as long as they're white heterosexuals!" I'm not religious at all but I believe that God/Jesus is looking down on us and saying WTF.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:22:20 AM #131:	Charocks posted... "Jesus said love thy neighbor as long as they're white heterosexuals!" I'm not religious at all but I believe that God/Jesus is looking down on us and saying WTF. You can love someone but refuse to celebrate something they're doing that you believe is morally wrong. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893064270] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Charocks posted...</cite> <quote>"Jesus said love thy neighbor as long as they're white heterosexuals!" I'm not religious at all but I believe that God/Jesus is looking down on us and saying WTF.</quote> You can love someone but refuse to celebrate something they're doing that you believe is morally wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gafemage 12/29/17 11:24:16 AM #132:	Vindris_SNH posted... Gafemage posted... Earnestly comparing gay people to nazis. Jesus fucking Christ. Earnestly thinking I'm comparing gay people to Nazis. Jesus fucking Christ. That's exactly what you fucking did, though. You straight-up compared not condoning hatred & genocide to (on top of doxing them) not making a happily-engaged couple a wedding cake because an ancient book said that gay people shouldn't marry. Regardless of whether or not you think the business should've been shut down or that the $135,000 lawsuit is just, the idea that those two scenarios are even remotely comparable is absolutely moronic. --- http://imgur.com/1EOFcjn http://imgur.com/epjd8zk <cite>Gafemage posted [p:893064353] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gafemage posted...</cite> <quote>Earnestly comparing gay people to nazis. Jesus fucking Christ.</quote> Earnestly thinking I'm comparing gay people to Nazis. Jesus fucking Christ.</quote> That's exactly what you fucking did, though. You straight-up compared not condoning hatred & genocide to (on top of doxing them) not making a happily-engaged couple a wedding cake because an ancient book said that gay people shouldn't marry. Regardless of whether or not you think the business should've been shut down or that the $135,000 lawsuit is just, the idea that those two scenarios are even remotely comparable is absolutely moronic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:27:16 AM #133:	Gafemage posted... That's exactly what you fucking did Didn't need to read past this confirmation of reading comprehension failure. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893064469] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gafemage posted...</cite> <quote>That's exactly what you fucking did</quote> Didn't need to read past this confirmation of reading comprehension failure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Near_ 12/29/17 11:29:09 AM #134:	Vindris_SNH posted... The baker is refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong yeah, lesbianism and homosexuality so they refused to make the cake because the couple is lesbian --- https://i.imgur.com/WyFIJkF.gif This is America, where a lying, cheating degenerate can prosper. <cite>_Near_ posted [p:893064557] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>The baker is refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong</quote> yeah, lesbianism and homosexuality so they refused to make the cake because the couple is lesbian</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:34:14 AM #135:	_Near_ posted... Vindris_SNH posted... The baker is refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong yeah, lesbianism and homosexuality so they refused to make the cake because the couple is lesbian No, that is not correct. They refused to take part in the celebration of homosexuality. They would've been happy to serve the lesbian couple if it were for one of their birthdays, because that is the celebration of someone's birth, not the celebration of homosexuality. Therefore, you cannot conclude that the baker is refusing to serve the couple because they are lesbians. They refused to bake the cake because in doing so they felt they would be taking part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. That is called integrity. Not discrimination. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893064762] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Near_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>The baker is refusing to take part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong</quote> yeah, lesbianism and homosexuality so they refused to make the cake because the couple is lesbian</quote> No, that is not correct. They refused to take part in the celebration of homosexuality. They would've been happy to serve the lesbian couple if it were for one of their birthdays, because that is the celebration of someone's birth, not the celebration of homosexuality. Therefore, you cannot conclude that the baker is refusing to serve the couple because they are lesbians. They refused to bake the cake because in doing so they felt they would be taking part in the celebration of something they believe to be morally wrong. That is called integrity. Not discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:34:51 AM #136:	I've pretty much said all I have to say in this thread. From here the argument will go in circles. I'm at peace with my stance, I'm confident that I'm correct, and I'm sure you all are too. So, no hard feelings, hope you all have a great New Year! :D --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893064794] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>I've pretty much said all I have to say in this thread. From here the argument will go in circles. I'm at peace with my stance, I'm confident that I'm correct, and I'm sure you all are too. So, no hard feelings, hope you all have a great New Year! :D</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 12/29/17 11:37:19 AM #137:	Vindris_SNH posted... Charocks posted... "Jesus said love thy neighbor as long as they're white heterosexuals!" I'm not religious at all but I believe that God/Jesus is looking down on us and saying WTF. You can love someone but refuse to celebrate something they're doing that you believe is morally wrong. What would your stance be if they had refused to bake a cake for a heterosexual marriage between a black person and a white person because they believed interracial marriage was wrong? <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:893064946] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Charocks posted...</cite> <quote>"Jesus said love thy neighbor as long as they're white heterosexuals!" I'm not religious at all but I believe that God/Jesus is looking down on us and saying WTF.</quote> You can love someone but refuse to celebrate something they're doing that you believe is morally wrong.</quote> What would your stance be if they had refused to bake a cake for a heterosexual marriage between a black person and a white person because they believed interracial marriage was wrong?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gimli 12/29/17 11:39:53 AM #139:	fenderbender321 posted... There you have it, ladies and gentleman. You don't own your business in America. The state does. All hail the great and mighty government! Try to defend the doxxing you **ing hack. <cite>Gimli posted [p:893065073] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>There you have it, ladies and gentleman. You don't own your business in America. The state does. All hail the great and mighty government!</quote> Try to defend the doxxing you **ing hack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:43:11 AM #140:	ArchiePeck posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Charocks posted... "Jesus said love thy neighbor as long as they're white heterosexuals!" I'm not religious at all but I believe that God/Jesus is looking down on us and saying WTF. You can love someone but refuse to celebrate something they're doing that you believe is morally wrong. What would your stance be if they had refused to bake a cake for a heterosexual marriage between a black person and a white person because they believed interracial marriage was wrong? I suppose this is a new question (to me) so I'll go ahead and answer it and then hopefully be done if there's nothing new in this thread that hasn't been discussed. If there was a baker that sincerely believed that interracial marriage was morally wrong, and he was asked to bake a wedding cake to celebrate an interracial marriage, and he refused.... well that's pretty much the exact same situation, so of course I'd say the same thing. I'm sure that baker would be fine baking the interracial couple a cake for one of their birthdays, because that would not be the celebration of interracial marriage. So, my stance? Go find another baker and move on with your life instead of being a bitter bunch of crybabies that won't stop until they ruin the life of the people that did nothing but not bake them a cake. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893065245] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Charocks posted...</cite> <quote>"Jesus said love thy neighbor as long as they're white heterosexuals!" I'm not religious at all but I believe that God/Jesus is looking down on us and saying WTF.</quote> You can love someone but refuse to celebrate something they're doing that you believe is morally wrong.</quote> What would your stance be if they had refused to bake a cake for a heterosexual marriage between a black person and a white person because they believed interracial marriage was wrong?</quote> I suppose this is a new question (to me) so I'll go ahead and answer it and then hopefully be done if there's nothing new in this thread that hasn't been discussed. If there was a baker that sincerely believed that interracial marriage was morally wrong, and he was asked to bake a wedding cake to celebrate an interracial marriage, and he refused.... well that's pretty much the exact same situation, so of course I'd say the same thing. I'm sure that baker would be fine baking the interracial couple a cake for one of their birthdays, because that would not be the celebration of interracial marriage. So, my stance? Go find another baker and move on with your life instead of being a bitter bunch of crybabies that won't stop until they ruin the life of the people that did nothing but not bake them a cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FigureOfSpeech 12/29/17 11:45:44 AM #141:	tremain07 posted... Full Throttle posted... Kelly Shackelford from the First Liberty institute disagreed and said the Kleins were not entitled tot he Constitution's promises of religious liberty and free speech Any relation to Rusty by any chance? Over 100 posts and I still thought I had a chance to be the first one to this. Also lol "More like sour cakes" --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>FigureOfSpeech posted [p:893065369] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>Kelly Shackelford from the First Liberty institute disagreed and said the Kleins were not entitled tot he Constitution's promises of religious liberty and free speech </quote> Any relation to Rusty by any chance?</quote> Over 100 posts and I still thought I had a chance to be the first one to this. Also lol "More like sour cakes"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Near_ 12/29/17 11:46:40 AM #142:	Vindris_SNH posted... They refused to take part in the celebration of homosexuality. Splitting hairs. The effect of their action was a discriminatory act against a couple because of their sexuality. You can try to rephrase it as much as you can, but it's clear as day. The ONLY reason why they were refused is because of their sexuality. --- https://i.imgur.com/WyFIJkF.gif This is America, where a lying, cheating degenerate can prosper. <cite>_Near_ posted [p:893065406] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>They refused to take part in the celebration of homosexuality. </quote> Splitting hairs. The effect of their action was a discriminatory act against a couple because of their sexuality. You can try to rephrase it as much as you can, but it's clear as day. The ONLY reason why they were refused is because of their sexuality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 12/29/17 11:54:14 AM #143:	Vindris_SNH posted... @Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? You see, this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it. I wouldn't make a swastica cake for anyone, regardless of whether the customer was a Nazi or not. This hypothetical is not comparable. Now, if you would bake a swastica cake for one group but not another, that would be discrimination. But we already know you don't get this, because it's been established you don't know what discrimination is. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:893065750] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>@Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? You see, this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it.</quote> I wouldn't make a swastica cake for anyone, regardless of whether the customer was a Nazi or not. This hypothetical is not comparable. Now, if you would bake a swastica cake for one group but not another, that would be discrimination. But we already know you don't get this, because it's been established you don't know what discrimination is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 12/29/17 11:56:44 AM #145:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... @Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? You see, this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it. I wouldn't make a swastica cake for anyone, regardless of whether the customer was a Nazi or not. This hypothetical is not comparable. Now, if you would bake a swastica cake for one group but not another, that would be discrimination. But we already know you don't get this, because it's been established you don't know what discrimination is. Vindris_SNH posted... If a straight man, who was a friend of the lesbians, had come to the baker and asked them to bake the cake, and said it was for a lesbian wedding, the bakers would have still refused. In that case, they would have been directly serving a straight man. Are they discriminating against him somehow? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893065858] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>@Caution999 made a good point, but let me re-frame it... Let's say I was a baker. I had a group of Neo-Nazis approach me and ask me to bake a cake with a giant swastika on it so they could celebrate the death of millions of Jews during the Holocaust. I refuse to bake them the cake. Is that discrimination? Could they take me to court and win? Do you think I would be willing to bake a Neo-Nazi a birthday cake? You see, this isn't about refusing to serve people because of their race, religion, or sexual preference. It's about refusing to serve people because of what they're celebrating, and the fact you want no part in celebrating it.</quote> I wouldn't make a swastica cake for anyone, regardless of whether the customer was a Nazi or not. This hypothetical is not comparable. Now, if you would bake a swastica cake for one group but not another, that would be discrimination. But we already know you don't get this, because it's been established you don't know what discrimination is.</quote> <cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>If a straight man, who was a friend of the lesbians, had come to the baker and asked them to bake the cake, and said it was for a lesbian wedding, the bakers would have still refused. In that case, they would have been directly serving a straight man. Are they discriminating against him somehow?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/29/17 12:00:13 PM #146:	Gimli posted... Not a single turdburglar is trying to address the doxxing. Clearly they know they are in the wrong. Weird, right? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:893066007] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gimli posted...</cite> <quote>Not a single turdburglar is trying to address the doxxing. Clearly they know they are in the wrong.</quote> Weird, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yusiko 12/29/17 12:05:06 PM #147:	A_Good_Boy posted... Gimli posted... Not a single turdburglar is trying to address the doxxing. Clearly they know they are in the wrong. Weird, right? well even anti SJWs know that they cant get away with saying the death threats and doxxing were ok because it was just lesbians and not real people even if that is exactly what they really believe so they ignore it to fit their narrative --- yusketeer <cite>yusiko posted [p:893066216] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gimli posted...</cite> <quote>Not a single turdburglar is trying to address the doxxing. Clearly they know they are in the wrong.</quote> Weird, right?</quote> well even anti SJWs know that they cant get away with saying the death threats and doxxing were ok because it was just lesbians and not real people even if that is exactly what they really believe so they ignore it to fit their narrative</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrettyBoyFloyd 12/29/17 12:05:19 PM #148:	People shouldn't have to do what they don't want to do. Like people shouldn't have to make Gay or Nazi cakes if they don't want. Still I wonder what if these people were Muslim or another race of Christian would they have faced to same punishment ? Anyway as long as someones money is green I'd make a cake for anyone and have it say anything. --- The Evil Republicans - Est.2004 - WoT [Government Destabilizing Branch] <cite>PrettyBoyFloyd posted [p:893066229] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>People shouldn't have to do what they don't want to do. Like people shouldn't have to make Gay or Nazi cakes if they don't want. Still I wonder what if these people were Muslim or another race of Christian would they have faced to same punishment ? Anyway as long as someones money is green I'd make a cake for anyone and have it say anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 12/29/17 12:11:15 PM #149:	Don't be a dick, even if you're sure your church, holy book and your God says its okay. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:893066533] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>Don't be a dick, even if you're sure your church, holy book and your God says its okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gimli 12/29/17 12:14:21 PM #150:	fenderbender321 posted... Gimli posted... fenderbender321 posted... There you have it, ladies and gentleman. You don't own your business in America. The state does. All hail the great and mighty government! Try to defend the doxxing you **ing hack. lol I guess I could make an attempt....but why would I defend something I don't agree with? Doxxing is an immoral thing to do. It's a good portion of proving that these 'Christians' were in the wrong. They weren't just out to defend their religious freedoms. They were also out to destroy these people's lives. If they had simply defended their position in a professional manner, maybe things would have been found differently. But you and others will ignore this point and keep repeating the same BS. <cite>Gimli posted [p:893066677] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gimli posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>There you have it, ladies and gentleman. You don't own your business in America. The state does. All hail the great and mighty government!</quote> Try to defend the doxxing you **ing hack.</quote> lol I guess I could make an attempt....but why would I defend something I don't agree with? Doxxing is an immoral thing to do.</quote> It's a good portion of proving that these 'Christians' were in the wrong. They weren't just out to defend their religious freedoms. They were also out to destroy these people's lives. If they had simply defended their position in a professional manner, maybe things would have been found differently. But you and others will ignore this point and keep repeating the same BS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/29/17 12:14:38 PM #151:	Why do angstheists act like what the bakers did was ok? If you're quoting Leviticus to justify your actions, you probably didn't read far past that. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:893066692] in Broke Chri... [t:76146861]...</cite> <quote>Why do angstheists act like what the bakers did was ok? If you're quoting Leviticus to justify your actions, you probably didn't read far past that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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