Current Events > Why is Vader such a cuck for Palpatine *spoilers, I guess

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At some point in his life, he's been told there is always a Sith Master and Sith Apprentice. Palpatine was obviously super evil, and Anakin killed Dooku so that he could unwittingly take his spot. Then in Episode 6 Palpy wants Luke to kill Vader so he can take his father's place. Basically, Vader gets cucked HARD by Palpatine every time he turns around but doesn't seem to realize it.

And in episode 6 Palpatine is still calling him "friend" and shit lmao

You should read the Vader comics, they get into this dynamic and its really good.
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What are they called

because vader can be killed so easily by palpatine
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Because he loves her.

That's literally the plot of all 3 prequels.
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"I MUST obey my master"

palpatine was far more powerful than Vader

UnfairRepresent posted...

Because he loves her.

That's literally the plot of all 3 prequels.

Er you're thinking of Padme not Palpatine @UnfairRepresent

Also TC learn what a cuck actually is then come back.
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gafemaqs posted...

What are they called

Star Wars: Darth Vader

Its by Marvel, the 2017 series
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spikethedevil posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Because he loves her.

That's literally the plot of all 3 prequels.

Er you're thinking of Padme not Palpatine @UnfairRepresent

Also TC learn what a cuck actually is then come back.

Did you just assume Palpatine's gender?!

Jk
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spikethedevil posted...

Also TC learn what a cuck actually is then come back.

That doesn't explain why Vader let himself get cucked all the time.

In episode five Vader tried to persuade Luke to overthrow the emperor.
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scar the 1 posted...

In episode five Vader tried to persuade Luke to overthrow the emperor.

If that's the case, why did Vader stop Luke from killing the Emperor in the Throne Room?

gafemaqs posted...

spikethedevil posted...

Also TC learn what a cuck actually is then come back.

That doesn't explain why Vader let himself get cucked all the time.

Last I checked no one else fucked Padme so nope Vader never got cucked. Learn what it actually means before throwing around buzz words you don't understand.
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gafemaqs posted...

scar the 1 posted...

In episode five Vader tried to persuade Luke to overthrow the emperor.

If that's the case, why did Vader stop Luke from killing the Emperor in the Throne Room?

Luke was not even remotely a threat to the emperor at that time.

Vader was basically Palpatines bitch

I don't know what comics have said, but by the movies, it's because Vader was afraid. Hence him wanting his son to help overthrow Sidious.

Sidious would have murdered him easily. In the prequels, it's because he promised he can save Padme, and by the time the truth was discovered, he owed it to Sidious for even saving him from Mustafar.
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spikethedevil posted...

gafemaqs posted...

spikethedevil posted...

Also TC learn what a cuck actually is then come back.

That doesn't explain why Vader let himself get cucked all the time.

Last I checked no one else fucked Padme so nope Vader never got cucked. Learn what it actually means before throwing around buzz words you don't understand.

Bitch. Bitch is the word that he's looking for. He was Palpatine's bitch.
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gafemaqs posted...

scar the 1 posted...

In episode five Vader tried to persuade Luke to overthrow the emperor.

If that's the case, why did Vader stop Luke from killing the Emperor in the Throne Room?

Because he knew Luke wasn't turned?
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He enjoys watching Palpatine have sex? That is one sickening image.
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scar the 1 posted...

gafemaqs posted...

scar the 1 posted...

In episode five Vader tried to persuade Luke to overthrow the emperor.

If that's the case, why did Vader stop Luke from killing the Emperor in the Throne Room?

Because he knew Luke wasn't turned?

But Palpatine says that if he strikes him down then he'll have given in and turned to the dark side. Even if Luke didn't join Vader after he kills Palpatine, Palpatine would have died which is what you're saying Vader was conniving to achieve.

I like to think that The Emperor was Darth Vader's last and only friend. It was only until the OT where Vader started realizing Sidious needs to die.
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gafemaqs posted...

Palpatine would have died

Luke was not even a threat to him. He was goading Luke to fight and knew Vader would block. likely to save Luke from being lightningd

It's amazing how many characters the PT screwed up
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Leviamon posted...

gafemaqs posted...

Palpatine would have died

Luke was not even a threat to him. He was goading Luke to fight and knew Vader would block. likely to save Luke from being lightningd

I'm pretty sure a lightsaber would've taken him out. It wasn't even as hard to kill Palpatine as the series leads you to believe. Vader picks him up and throws him down a shaft and it all happens within 5 seconds.

But can't Palpatine sense Vader may have had feelings to betray him? It seems pretty unwise to just assume your apprentice who even Luke can sense is conflicted will just up and save you.

And if he was trying to prevent Luke from being hurt, I can think of some other ways he could've done that AND achieve a more favorable outcome for them both.

I dunno how to tell TC this but Vader was trying to find a way to betray Palp for the longest time. In EMpire Strikes Back he offered Luke to join him so they could rule the galaxy together. Pretty sure he was implying over throwing Palp.
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gafemaqs posted...

I'm pretty sure a lightsaber would've taken him out. It wasn't even as hard to kill Palpatine as the series leads you to believe. Vader picks him up and throws him down a shaft and it all happens within 5 seconds.

Palpatine was caught off guard by Vader.

Palpatine would have dodged and then just zapped Luke.

Luke stood no chance against Palpatine by himself.

there is a reason why the normally cowardly Palpatine is so calm

Veggeta_MAX posted...

I dunno how to tell TC this but Vader was trying to find a way to betray Palp for the longest time. In EMpire Strikes Back he offered Luke to join him so they could rule the galaxy together. Pretty sure he was implying over throwing Palp.

It's already been addressed. If Vader wanted to overthrow Palpatine, why didn't he let Luke kill him? Some have said it's because he wanted to save Luke (?), some have said it's because that would've have turned Luke. Either way, letting Luke kill the Emperor and having Luke join the dark side is a pretty good outcome for Vader.

gafemaqs posted...

Vader picks him up and throws him down a shaft and it all happens within 5 seconds.

Sidious was distracted, and even then he still ended up killing Vader with Lightning. Now imagine if Vader didn't have a shaft to throw the Emporer down, and Sidious wasn't distracted torturing someone to death in an ultimate battle?

Plus Vader had to work up the courage to kill his only friend and mentor in the universe.
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funny how easily people forget

"do not underestimate the power of the dark side"

vader was allied to palpatine; it was his duty to protect him
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Leviamon posted...

gafemaqs posted...

I'm pretty sure a lightsaber would've taken him out. It wasn't even as hard to kill Palpatine as the series leads you to believe. Vader picks him up and throws him down a shaft and it all happens within 5 seconds.

Palpatine was caught off guard by Vader.

Palpatine would have dodged and then just zapped Luke.

Luke stood no chance against Palpatine by himself.

there is a reason why the normally cowardly Palpatine is so calm

How can he dodge a lightsaber? He's sitting in a chair and Luke is, like, a foot in front of him.

gafemaqs posted...

How can he dodge a lightsaber? He's sitting in a chair and Luke is, like, a foot in front of him.

he knew vader would protect him
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The Empire has a great dental plan. That's why.

gafemaqs posted...

How can he dodge a lightsaber? He's sitting in a chair and Luke is, like, a foot in front of him.

he's fast.

did you not see episode 3 where he killed 3 master Jedi like nothing

Ryangrad posted...

gafemaqs posted...

Vader picks him up and throws him down a shaft and it all happens within 5 seconds.

Sidious was distracted, and even then he still ended up killing Vader with Lightning. Now imagine if Vader didn't have a shaft to throw the Emporer down, and Sidious wasn't distracted torturing someone to death in an ultimate battle?

Plus Vader had to work up the courage to kill his only friend and mentor in the universe.

Which is my point, he didn't need a shaft. Lightsaber would've done the job fine. Which Luke was going to kill him with just moments before.

gafemaqs posted...

Which Luke was going to kill him with just moments before.

Vader doesn't turn until he sees Luke getting tortured. By then his hand has been cut off, and his lightsaber lost

It's also theorized that Vader didn't actually want to recruit Luke in ESB, it was all a ploy

Then you have the Rule of Two-ers who say Vader was just continuing the tradition
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Questionmarktarius posted...

The Empire has a great dental plan. That's why.

Tarkin needs braces
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VectorChaos posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

The Empire has a great dental plan. That's why.

Tarkin needs braces

dental plan!

Yea the comics answer all this. Palp repeatedly tries to kill him and throughout the whole thing Vader is just like "bitch, please"
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Vader could have been twice as strong as Palatine if he didn't get his limbs cut off. Afterward, he was only like 80% as strong.

Leviamon posted...

gafemaqs posted...

How can he dodge a lightsaber? He's sitting in a chair and Luke is, like, a foot in front of him.

he's fast.

did you not see episode 3 where he killed 3 master Jedi like nothing

Fast enough to get out of the chair and move before he's cut to pieces? I don't think so. And if he really wanted to showcase how powerful the dark side is to Luke, maybe he would've told Vader beforehand not to save him so he can do what you're saying he would do? But again, I'm pretty sure he's not fast enough to do that.

And if he's so fast, why didn't he roll out of Vader's hands before he could throw him down the shaft? That would've been like the time to use your super Sith speed.

gafemaqs posted...

Fast enough to get out of the chair and move before he's cut to pieces

yes. that fast. he killed 3 Jedi master's within seconds

jeffhardyb0yz posted...

LMAOOOO at Palpatine just wrecking Vader. Dude almost got cucked by Mace Windu

Why do people throw around buzz words while not actually knowing what they mean?
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gafemaqs posted...

Which is my point, he didn't need a shaft. Lightsaber would've done the job fine. Which Luke was going to kill him with just moments before.

Your point is factually wrong, then. A light saber would not have killed him. And without a distraction and the urge to protect Luke, Vader would not have the courage to attempt to overtake the Emperor. Sidious could easily for a light saber out of your hand and electrocute Vader to death.

And Luke would not have been able to kill him. The Emperor sensed that Luke was going to go for the light saber. And he knew Vader would defend him. If there was any doubt in his mind before that point, he would not have allowed it to happen. Up until the point of Vaders protection of his son, everything had gone as he had foreseen that it would. The Emperor didn't just sit there oblivious what was going on. He placed the light saber right were Luke could get to it then told him to go for it. That was all part of his plan.
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Leviamon posted...

gafemaqs posted...

Fast enough to get out of the chair and move before he's cut to pieces

yes. that fast. he killed 3 Jedi master's within seconds

Ok, so granting that he would've been fast enough to dodge a lightsaber at point-blank, why not use his super speed at other times it would've saved him? Like being killed by Vader or almost killed by Windu?

gafemaqs posted...

Leviamon posted...

gafemaqs posted...

Fast enough to get out of the chair and move before he's cut to pieces

yes. that fast. he killed 3 Jedi master's within seconds

Ok, so granting that he would've been fast enough to dodge a lightsaber at point-blank, why not use his super speed at other times it would've saved him? Like being killed by Vader or almost killed by Windu?

he was caught off guard by Vader and he was never in danger during the windu fight.

he pretended to lose to convince Anakin to join the dark side.

likely windu would have died as quickly as the only 3 Jedi if Palpatine really wanted it.

"You're over-confidence is your weakness"

Emperor thought he had it under control.
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Leviamon posted...

he pretended to lose to convince Anakin to join the dark side.

likely windu would have died as quickly as the only 3 Jedi if Palpatine really wanted it.

iirc palpatine actually was beat down by mace windu, whose fighting style is known for its ferocity and blinding speed

you don't see it in the movie because george lucas sucks
but in the novelization I think it's actually made clear that the first few masters were caught off guard, but Mace Windu managed to gain the upper hand
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Mace Windu is a master at combat. He is basically the opposite of what Yoda is (who wasn't even portrayed to be that OP with the force anyway but whatever).
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Ryangrad posted...

Your point is factually wrong, then. A light saber would not have killed him. And without a distraction and the urge to protect Luke, Vader would not have the courage to attempt to overtake the Emperor. Sidious could easily for a light saber out of your hand and electrocute Vader to death.

If lightsabers don't kill him, then why does he even defend himself in Episode 3? Windu and Yoda would've handily killed him with their lightsabers if he didn't use one too.

Ryangrad posted...

And Luke would not have been able to kill him. The Emperor sensed that Luke was going to go for the light saber. And he knew Vader would defend him. If there was any doubt in his mind before that point, he would not have allowed it to happen. Up until the point of Vaders protection of his son, everything had gone as he had foreseen that it would. The Emperor didn't just sit there oblivious what was going on. He placed the light saber right were Luke could get to it then told him to go for it. That was all part of his plan.

How does he know Vader will defend him? The audience is told a whole movie before that Vader would've connived to usurp the Emperor. Besides that, ROTJ makes it pretty clear that Luke, Vader, and so presumably the Emperor are aware that Vader is conflicted. You would think that if the Emperor thought there was even a 1% chance Vader would've betrayed him that he would've at least been on his guard throughout the whole throne room sequence. Instead... he just kinda lets himself get thrown down a shaft. He doesn't even use his super speed to roll out of Vader's arms and cut him up or nothing.

And if he can sense that Vader is conflicted, why didn't he just wait to kill Luke. Like maybe later when Vader wasn't around or had calmed down. This just seems like a common sense kind of thing tbh