Current Events > Majority votes against US recognition of Jerusalem in UN resolution

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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 9:48:40 AM
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The United Nations has voted by a huge majority to declare a unilateral US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital "null and void".


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/jerusalem-resolution-country-voted-171221180116873.html

only countries that voted in against resolution:

Guatemala
Honduras
Israel
Marshall Islands, Micronesia
Nauru
Palau
Togo
United States

guess what they all have in common, eh
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 9:53:46 AM
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but I guess CE is too ignorant to see how stupid Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is
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Mal_Fet
12/22/17 9:54:17 AM
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How cute, the UN thinks saying it's "null and void" will actually stop the US from moving our embassy to their capital...
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 9:56:03 AM
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it's funny how literally all the world leaders all over the world, including Russia and China, acknowledge how wrong Trump's decision is.

I'm amazed by those here that think it isnt, thinking they knew their s***about the situation
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LightHawKnight
12/22/17 9:56:46 AM
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And then Trump proceeds to threaten a bunch of people.
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Phantom_Nook
12/22/17 9:57:25 AM
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A lot of the dissenting votes may have to do with Trump threatening the world like the asshole he is.
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Mal_Fet
12/22/17 9:57:33 AM
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The US recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital 20 years ago. Every president since has simply been delaying the move. Which is weird, because Jerusalem is Israel's capital.

Also, since when did leftists care about Russia and China's opinion? Change of heart?
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tremain07
12/22/17 9:57:44 AM
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Man, those 128 countries are going to regret this, Trump is not a man to piss off.
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Eat More Beef
12/22/17 10:00:34 AM
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@Mal_Fet posted...
The US recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital 20 years ago. Every president since has simply been delaying the move. Which is weird, because Jerusalem is Israel's capital.

Also, since when did leftists care about Russia and China's opinion? Change of heart?


I'm kinda ignorant on the subject, so feel free to enlighten me. Why does the US get a say where another country's capital is located?

As an outsider it seems very bizarre to me.
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:01:17 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
The US recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital 20 years ago. Every president since has simply been delaying the move. Which is weird, because Jerusalem is Israel's capital.

Also, since when did leftists care about Russia and China's opinion? Change of heart?


No, they didnt. There's a reason why no president would want to make the move (as you can see the consequences of now).
secondly, it isn't their capital by right. Israel tried to take it by force. Anything by annexation is downright condemned, like how Russia tried the same with Crimea.

Russia and China
because these are the only two big powers in the world and have significant relationships with USA. But if you cared to notice, every single other country, and not just Muslim ones like Indonesia and Malaysia, voted in support of the resolution as well.
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:01:51 AM
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tremain07 posted...
Man, those 128 countries are going to regret this, Trump is not a man to piss off.


yeah, wait till he tweets about this
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Antifar
12/22/17 10:05:23 AM
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It seems disingenous to paint this vote as being "Russia and China" when they were joined by France, the UK, Japan, Germany, South Korea...
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:07:17 AM
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Eat More Beef posted...
@Mal_Fet posted...
The US recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital 20 years ago. Every president since has simply been delaying the move. Which is weird, because Jerusalem is Israel's capital.

Also, since when did leftists care about Russia and China's opinion? Change of heart?


I'm kinda ignorant on the subject, so feel free to enlighten me. Why does the US get a say where another country's capital is located?

As an outsider it seems very bizarre to me.


all countries get a say. This is politics at play. You don't just straight down declare on such a sensitive issue. Another one was Trump being ignorant again and pissing off China with the Taiwan meeting. Here, you're basically just pissing off the entire Arab community all for nothing and risking diplomatic relations with many trading partners.

What does US even gain from this? Just made Israel a little happy perhaps. Nothing at all.

When Trump does something no other world leader is doing, that's not him doing something unprecedented to be proud of, nor special. That's just him being incompetent and stupid.
Well maybe to him, it just boosted his ego thinking he has done 'achievable' in his term, ruining America bit-by-bit
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einegutePerson
12/22/17 10:11:44 AM
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Wutobliteration posted...
only two big powers in the world and have significant relationships with USA

rofl

Wutobliteration posted...
What does US even gain from this?

promotion of zionist agenda
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VTBM
12/22/17 10:16:04 AM
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daftpunk_mk5
12/22/17 10:17:13 AM
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The UN can fuck itself
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Romes187
12/22/17 10:17:39 AM
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No surprise

The UN constantly votes against Israel
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einegutePerson
12/22/17 10:17:41 AM
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VTBM posted...
Are all ya'll anti-Semitic or something?

8pdQne7
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:18:09 AM
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rofl


a good example of a post someone makes when they're incapable of explanation since they don't know wtf to say.

einegutePerson posted...

Wutobliteration posted...
What does US even gain from this?

promotion of zionist agenda


that is changing no one. the better answer is making a fool of themselves
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thelovefist
12/22/17 10:18:41 AM
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Mal Fet thinks that NATO was created after 9/11 so any historical 'facts' he presents should be considered false and a joke.
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Romes187
12/22/17 10:18:44 AM
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VTBM posted...
Are all ya'll anti-Semitic or something?


Jewish people aren't allowed to use their histotic oppression in the oppression olympics

Sorry :(
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einegutePerson
12/22/17 10:21:02 AM
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Wutobliteration posted...
a good example of a post someone makes when they're incapable of explanation since they don't know wtf to say.

the fact that you have this simplified version of world politics in your head where russia and china are the only big players because they're the only countries doing anything in the news lately

that's why i rofl'd
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Questionmarktarius
12/22/17 10:26:56 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
How cute, the UN thinks saying it's "null and void" will actually stop the US from moving our embassy to their capital...

See also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc22CFhDBEM
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:31:52 AM
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einegutePerson posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
a good example of a post someone makes when they're incapable of explanation since they don't know wtf to say.

the fact that you have this simplified version of world politics in your head where russia and china are the only big players because they're the only countries doing anything in the news lately


they are, which is why they're the only countries you people here seem to know about. If I didnt care to mention only these two in my first post, would you have cared otherwise? Because I don't. And If you bothered, you can see I also mentioned others, but not like you even know much about any of these other countries, do you?
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:33:22 AM
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It's funny how people are just boiling this down to being supportive or against Jews. This like the people who are pointing and mocking the Rohingyas in Myanmar just because they're Muslim.
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Letron_James
12/22/17 10:34:09 AM
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And the crocodile tears continue
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einegutePerson
12/22/17 10:36:59 AM
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Wutobliteration posted...
they are

wrong

Wutobliteration posted...
which is why they're the only countries you people here seem to know about

so you think people talking about countries in the news means they're the only countries we know about
lmao

Wutobliteration posted...
If I didnt care to mention only these two in my first post, would you have cared otherwise?

I only cared because you erroneously implied that they're the only two major powers with connections to the US in the world
and it was funny to me
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masticatingman
12/22/17 10:37:19 AM
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Wutobliteration posted...
but I guess CE is too ignorant to see how stupid Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is


How is it stupid to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capital? What do you think Israels capital is?
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masticatingman
12/22/17 10:43:44 AM
#29:


Wutobliteration posted...
Eat More Beef posted...
@Mal_Fet posted...
The US recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital 20 years ago. Every president since has simply been delaying the move. Which is weird, because Jerusalem is Israel's capital.

Also, since when did leftists care about Russia and China's opinion? Change of heart?


I'm kinda ignorant on the subject, so feel free to enlighten me. Why does the US get a say where another country's capital is located?

As an outsider it seems very bizarre to me.


all countries get a say. This is politics at play. You don't just straight down declare on such a sensitive issue. Another one was Trump being ignorant again and pissing off China with the Taiwan meeting. Here, you're basically just pissing off the entire Arab community all for nothing and risking diplomatic relations with many trading partners.

What does US even gain from this? Just made Israel a little happy perhaps. Nothing at all.

When Trump does something no other world leader is doing, that's not him doing something unprecedented to be proud of, nor special. That's just him being incompetent and stupid.
Well maybe to him, it just boosted his ego thinking he has done 'achievable' in his term, ruining America bit-by-bit


Youre right, they should get to say what they want. Does that mean the US should kowtow to what those countries want us to do foreign-policy wise?

Yeah, you do make straight up decisions on sensitive issues as a world power. Theres a reason Hitler became powerful pre-WWII - the rest of the world stood idly by as he lashed out against the Jews and moved into part of Czechoslovakia and all of Austria.
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:44:44 AM
#30:


einegutePerson posted...

I only cared because you erroneously implied that they're the only two major powers with connections to the US in the world
and it was funny to me


i said 'significant relationships' because they are never stable and always flunctuate (especially with the constant changing of US leaders)

masticatingman posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
but I guess CE is too ignorant to see how stupid Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is


How is it stupid to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capital? What do you think Israels capital is?


it's a two-state solution. Do you even know the background behind Jerusalem and why every other country follows and abides by this?
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masticatingman
12/22/17 10:45:51 AM
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Wutobliteration posted...
einegutePerson posted...

I only cared because you erroneously implied that they're the only two major powers with connections to the US in the world
and it was funny to me


i said 'significant relationships' because they are never stable and always flunctuate (especially with the constant changing of US leaders)

masticatingman posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
but I guess CE is too ignorant to see how stupid Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is


How is it stupid to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capital? What do you think Israels capital is?


it's a two-state solution. Do you even know the background behind Jerusalem and why every other country follows and abides by this?


You didnt answer the question.
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Romes187
12/22/17 10:46:50 AM
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Wutobliteration posted...
it's a two-state solution


Wishful thinking :-/
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masticatingman
12/22/17 10:47:27 AM
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Two state solution eh? So why does Palestine advocate for complete control then?
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masticatingman
12/22/17 10:48:10 AM
#34:


Wutobliteration posted...
einegutePerson posted...

I only cared because you erroneously implied that they're the only two major powers with connections to the US in the world
and it was funny to me


i said 'significant relationships' because they are never stable and always flunctuate (especially with the constant changing of US leaders)

masticatingman posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
but I guess CE is too ignorant to see how stupid Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is


How is it stupid to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capital? What do you think Israels capital is?


it's a two-state solution. Do you even know the background behind Jerusalem and why every other country follows and abides by this?


Do you?
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:48:48 AM
#35:


masticatingman posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
einegutePerson posted...

I only cared because you erroneously implied that they're the only two major powers with connections to the US in the world
and it was funny to me


i said 'significant relationships' because they are never stable and always flunctuate (especially with the constant changing of US leaders)

masticatingman posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
but I guess CE is too ignorant to see how stupid Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is


How is it stupid to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capital? What do you think Israels capital is?


it's a two-state solution. Do you even know the background behind Jerusalem and why every other country follows and abides by this?


You didnt answer the question.


I already answered *facepalm*, unless you don't even know what the two-state solution is about. Or to put it simply, Jerusalem right now is recognised to fully belong to neither
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masticatingman
12/22/17 10:49:44 AM
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Trust me when I say youre fighting a losing battle if you think Palestine takes the idea of a 2 state solution seriously. Cite cite cite, buddy, because there is no evidence.
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darkjedilink
12/22/17 10:50:43 AM
#37:


Wutobliteration posted...
it's funny how literally all the world leaders all over the world, including Russia and China, acknowledge how wrong Trump's decision is.

I'm amazed by those here that think it isnt, thinking they knew their s***about the situation

Wait - so Russia and China are good again? I thought liberals hated them.
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masticatingman
12/22/17 10:50:46 AM
#38:


Wutobliteration posted...
masticatingman posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
einegutePerson posted...

I only cared because you erroneously implied that they're the only two major powers with connections to the US in the world
and it was funny to me


i said 'significant relationships' because they are never stable and always flunctuate (especially with the constant changing of US leaders)

masticatingman posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
but I guess CE is too ignorant to see how stupid Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is


How is it stupid to recognize Jerusalem as Israels capital? What do you think Israels capital is?


it's a two-state solution. Do you even know the background behind Jerusalem and why every other country follows and abides by this?


You didnt answer the question.


I already answered *facepalm*, unless you don't even know what the two-state solution is about. Or to put it simply, Jerusalem right now is recognised to fully belong to neither


So what is Israels capital then?

Because you didnt answer the question. Just give a quirky response.
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darkjedilink
12/22/17 10:54:29 AM
#39:


Eat More Beef posted...
@Mal_Fet posted...
The US recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital 20 years ago. Every president since has simply been delaying the move. Which is weird, because Jerusalem is Israel's capital.

Also, since when did leftists care about Russia and China's opinion? Change of heart?


I'm kinda ignorant on the subject, so feel free to enlighten me. Why does the US get a say where another country's capital is located?

As an outsider it seems very bizarre to me.

Israel says where Israel's capital is. Israel says it's in Jerusalem. Ergo, saying it's anywhere else just to appease terrorists that the UN allows to murder innocent women and children on a daily basis is literally denying reality.
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:55:47 AM
#40:


masticatingman posted...

Do you?


lol trying to save some face i see. Obviously cant admit, yet people here pretend they know to make their judgments which is why I'm sick of this board.
to put it in an overview, Jersuleum is both desired by the Jews and Muslims because of the many sacred sites present there. Israel has been more hardlined on the issue and captured the entire city claiming it as theirs in the 6 day war. this is what you call an annex, which the international community will hence condemn (Rules set out by UN, you follow it or get hit by sanctions by all other members).
Jerusalem is one of the most sensitive issues in the world, you don't just put it flat-out so simply like a dimwit president you have does. As of now, it retains a special status as city without a country.
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Questionmarktarius
12/22/17 10:56:29 AM
#41:


darkjedilink posted...
Israel says where Israel's capital is. Israel says it's in Jerusalem.

It would be a bit awkward for Israel to declare its capital is in Honolulu, though.
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Wutobliteration
12/22/17 10:58:11 AM
#42:


darkjedilink posted...

Israel says where Israel's capital is. Israel says it's in Jerusalem. Ergo, saying it's anywhere else just to appease terrorists that the UN allows to murder innocent women and children on a daily basis is literally denying reality.


muslim = terrorist. this kind of narrow-minded thinking by Americans is becoming so prevalent today. kinda sad really. Wouldnt be surprised if you can only think the middle east are where the muslim majority are at
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frozenshock
12/22/17 11:01:11 AM
#43:


The thing is... a bunch of countries that do not recognize Jerusalem being Israel's capital would also not consider anywhere at all to be Israel's capital. That is, because they do not even recognize that Israel exists at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel
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darkjedilink
12/22/17 11:05:49 AM
#44:


Wutobliteration posted...
darkjedilink posted...

Israel says where Israel's capital is. Israel says it's in Jerusalem. Ergo, saying it's anywhere else just to appease terrorists that the UN allows to murder innocent women and children on a daily basis is literally denying reality.


muslim = terrorist. this kind of narrow-minded thinking by Americans is becoming so prevalent today. kinda sad really. Wouldnt be surprised if you can only think the middle east are where the muslim majority are at

Are you saying that the Palestinians firing rockets at schools and blowing up busses in Israel aren't terrorists?
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Eat More Beef
12/22/17 11:27:37 AM
#45:


darkjedilink posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
darkjedilink posted...

Israel says where Israel's capital is. Israel says it's in Jerusalem. Ergo, saying it's anywhere else just to appease terrorists that the UN allows to murder innocent women and children on a daily basis is literally denying reality.


muslim = terrorist. this kind of narrow-minded thinking by Americans is becoming so prevalent today. kinda sad really. Wouldnt be surprised if you can only think the middle east are where the muslim majority are at

Are you saying that the Palestinians firing rockets at schools and blowing up busses in Israel aren't terrorists?


Those people are terrorists, yes. But not everyone who is Palestinian and sees Jerusalem as their holy ground are terrorists.

Also, would Isreal constantly bombing the shit outta Palestine render then terrorists as well?
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Mackorov
12/22/17 11:35:58 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Wutobliteration posted...
darkjedilink posted...

Israel says where Israel's capital is. Israel says it's in Jerusalem. Ergo, saying it's anywhere else just to appease terrorists that the UN allows to murder innocent women and children on a daily basis is literally denying reality.


muslim = terrorist. this kind of narrow-minded thinking by Americans is becoming so prevalent today. kinda sad really. Wouldnt be surprised if you can only think the middle east are where the muslim majority are at

Are you saying that the Palestinians firing rockets at schools and blowing up busses in Israel aren't terrorists?


I read that some guy went to a school to blow it up with a machinegun again. Can I say Americans are all terrorists now?
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s0nicfan
12/22/17 11:38:01 AM
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Did the TC mention that about 30 countries abstained from voting, and another 30 or so didn't even show up that day to vote?
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Mackorov
12/22/17 11:41:11 AM
#48:


s0nicfan posted...
Did the TC mention that about 30 countries abstained from voting, and another 30 or so didn't even show up that day to vote?


only 35 abstained, and if you read the list, they're all looloo countries too unstable with their own problems to bother.
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HypnoCoosh
12/22/17 11:41:14 AM
#49:


@Eat More Beef posted...
Why does the US get a say where another country's capital is located?


Israel is Americas greatest ally in the Middle east. Netanyahu praised Trump on recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emS6KI-K4Uw

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s0nicfan
12/22/17 11:42:41 AM
#50:


Mackorov posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Did the TC mention that about 30 countries abstained from voting, and another 30 or so didn't even show up that day to vote?


only 35 abstained, and if you read the list, they're all looloo countries too unstable with their own problems to bother.


Are we applying that standard to the ones that voted yes as well? I'm willing to bet the vast majority of "yes" votes are 3rd world countries also too unstable with their own problems
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