Board 8 > How To Talk To Your Friends About Tax Cuts [dwmf]

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The following conversation is a rough approximation of one I just recently had with a few of my co-workers:

Them: Do we make enough money that we will benefit from these tax cuts? Or are we getting screwed like everyone else?
Me: Do you itemize?
Them: No.
Me: Everyone who doesnt itemize is going to benefit from this.
Them: What? Really? That cant be right. Let me Google that. Oh damn youre right. I wonder why nobody talked about that?

In case you think Im making this up, feel free to consult The Washington Post, who provides this friendly chart, showing you approximately how much of a tax cut youll be getting. It varies from state to state generally better results for red states, and less favorable results for blue states, due to the elimination of the state and local income tax deduction. But (and I really cant emphasize this enough), that only matters if you itemize.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/tax-bill-calculator/?utm_term=.764a3570dbe9

Using California as a blue-state example, lets take a look at the breakdown of who gets a tax break and who doesnt. Sure looks like a lot of green on that chart, doesnt it? And thats for single people, for married couples with two children, the chart is entirely green. But getting back to our point about itemization, lets focus in on that very bottom row, for people taking the standard deduction, yet again, its entirely green.

Who actually itemizes their tax returns? The Tax Foundation provides a useful summary. Only 30% of tax returns are itemized, so two out of every three people are essentially guaranteed to be getting a tax cut here. And itemization, of course, becomes increasingly common the more money you make meaning that the wealthy are far more likely to be harmed by changes that penalize itemization. This graph provides a nice summary:

https://taxfoundation.org/who-itemizes-deductions/

To summarize, the GOP tax bill provides tax cuts for virtually everyone who does not itemize, which is a group that mostly includes low income people. It occasionally, but rarely, will lead to tax increases for people who itemize, a group that mostly includes high-income people. This general pattern holds true across all states and demographics. Be sure to make this clear to your friends and family. They have largely been sold a bill of goods about this plan which claims its all about huge tax cuts for the rich with nothing of substance for the lower or middle class. This is patently false.

To answer my co-workers final question: Why hasnt anyone talked about that? Id suggest that the answer is twofold. The left is dishonest left-wing politicians and their paid shills in the mainstream media have intentionally and deliberately lied about this bill in their obsession with trying to tear down Trump. And the right is stupid theyve spent all their time talking about job growth thats supposed to happen from the corporate tax reduction, trying to defend unpopular trickle-down economics rather than focusing on the one major huge win from this legislation the doubling of the standard deduction.

In any case, the facts are clear. People who do not itemize (which are typically lower-income people) are getting a tax cut. Period. Now go out there and make sure everyone understands this.

https://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/2017/12/22/how-to-talk-to-your-friends-about-tax-cuts/
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SmartMuffin posted...

the right is stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CS7j5I6aOc
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http://reason.com/archives/2017/12/22/democrats-are-fooling-themselves-about-t

The nonpartisan liberals at the Tax Policy Center concede that 80 percent of Americans will see a tax cut in 2018, and that the average cut will be $2,140which might be something to scoff at in D.C., but I imagine a bunch of voters surprised by these savings will be less cynical. Only 4.8 percent of Americans will see a tax increase.
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SmartMuffin posted...

The following conversation is a rough approximation of one I just recently had with a few of my co-workers:

Them: Do we make enough money that we will benefit from these tax cuts? Or are we getting screwed like everyone else?
Me: Do you itemize?
Them: No.
Me: Everyone who doesnt itemize is going to benefit from this.
Them: What? Really? That cant be right. Let me Google that. Oh damn youre right. I wonder why nobody talked about that?

In case you think Im making this up, feel free to consult The Washington Post, who provides this friendly chart, showing you approximately how much of a tax cut youll be getting. It varies from state to state generally better results for red states, and less favorable results for blue states, due to the elimination of the state and local income tax deduction. But (and I really cant emphasize this enough), that only matters if you itemize.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/tax-bill-calculator/?utm_term=.764a3570dbe9

Using California as a blue-state example, lets take a look at the breakdown of who gets a tax break and who doesnt. Sure looks like a lot of green on that chart, doesnt it? And thats for single people, for married couples with two children, the chart is entirely green. But getting back to our point about itemization, lets focus in on that very bottom row, for people taking the standard deduction, yet again, its entirely green.

Who actually itemizes their tax returns? The Tax Foundation provides a useful summary. Only 30% of tax returns are itemized, so two out of every three people are essentially guaranteed to be getting a tax cut here. And itemization, of course, becomes increasingly common the more money you make meaning that the wealthy are far more likely to be harmed by changes that penalize itemization. This graph provides a nice summary:

https://taxfoundation.org/who-itemizes-deductions/

To summarize, the GOP tax bill provides tax cuts for virtually everyone who does not itemize, which is a group that mostly includes low income people. It occasionally, but rarely, will lead to tax increases for people who itemize, a group that mostly includes high-income people. This general pattern holds true across all states and demographics. Be sure to make this clear to your friends and family. They have largely been sold a bill of goods about this plan which claims its all about huge tax cuts for the rich with nothing of substance for the lower or middle class. This is patently false.

To answer my co-workers final question: Why hasnt anyone talked about that? Id suggest that the answer is twofold. The left is dishonest left-wing politicians and their paid shills in the mainstream media have intentionally and deliberately lied about this bill in their obsession with trying to tear down Trump. And the right is stupid theyve spent all their time talking about job growth thats supposed to happen from the corporate tax reduction, trying to defend unpopular trickle-down economics rather than focusing on the one major huge win from this legislation the doubling of the standard deduction.

In any case, the facts are clear. People who do not itemize (which are typically lower-income people) are getting a tax cut. Period. Now go out there and make sure everyone understands this.

https://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/2017/12/22/how-to-talk-to-your-friends-about-tax-cuts/

I do agree the media is generally dishonest when it comes to GOP ideas. Too much was made of tax cut for the rich while complaining about donations or itemized deductions. As I told someone in the politics topic, I highly doubt your nonrich mother itemizes more than her standard deduction if as poor as you say.
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Also, I pointed out with an actual calculation that despite not being able to deduct the donation due to the higher standardized deduction that the person still could bring g home more money while donating the same amount of their money. There is too many on here that WANT it to be bad instead of actually look into it. Half the arguments can be dismissed with actual numbers.
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