Current Events > US life expectancy drops for the 2nd straight year in a row

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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/21/health/us-life-expectancy-study/index.html
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people are living too long anyway

this will save $ on health care costs
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Philoktetes posted...

people are living too long anyway

this will save $ on health care costs

always edgy
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Best country on earth!

On average, Americans can now expect to live 78.6 years, a statistically significant drop of 0.1 year

Oh no a whole tenth of a year
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voldothegr8 posted...

Oh no a whole tenth of a year

Those few days could be all the difference in seeing the current MCU reach it's conclusion.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Oh no a whole tenth of a year

it's significant because most other nations are gaining in life expectancy
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Darkman124 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Oh no a whole tenth of a year

it's significant because most other nations are gaining in life expectancy

If most other nations were to jump off a bridge should the US follow?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

If most other nations were to jump off a bridge should the US follow?

be less obvious
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I blame Game of Thrones.
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Darkman124 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

If most other nations were to jump off a bridge should the US follow?

be less obvious

Subtlety isn't my strong suit.
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Fucking fatties bringing us down.
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voldothegr8 posted...

On average, Americans can now expect to live 78.6 years, a statistically significant drop of 0.1 year

Oh no a whole tenth of a year

Found the fatty
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Drpooplol posted...

Fucking fatties bringing us down.

Couldn't be that we shifted health insurance from being prohibitively expensive for a minority to being prohibitively expensive for everyone.
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Surely the free market will sort this out

DevsBro posted...

Drpooplol posted...

Fucking fatties bringing us down.

Couldn't be that we shifted health insurance from being prohibitively expensive for a minority to being prohibitively expensive for everyone.

highly unlikely considering that more people are insured now than before and less people are going bankrupt due to healthcare costs now than before

much more likely related to the fact that opiod addiction is on the rise, obesity is on the rise, and each of those has dramatic effects on life expectancy
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I read other articles and yeah darkman is right it is related to drug overdoses
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Holy shit the teenage angst in this thread. Isn't there an age verification to get an account here? Or is it just as lame as the age verification on porn sites?

To the OP; a tenth of a year is a tenth of a year, but I wouldn't think too much of it. Of the grandparents I've had all three smokers died young, and my paternal grandmother just passed away this year at 87 years old. My wife's grandmother is also in her late 80's. So I am sure the drug addicts, smokers, and obesity is bringing the average down, as it will always as long as people keep up these practices.
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Darkman124 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Oh no a whole tenth of a year

it's significant because most other nations are gaining in life expectancy

The world average is ~71 so other nations are still playing catch up.
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Darkman124 posted...

DevsBro posted...

Drpooplol posted...

Fucking fatties bringing us down.

Couldn't be that we shifted health insurance from being prohibitively expensive for a minority to being prohibitively expensive for everyone.

highly unlikely considering that more people are insured now than before and less people are going bankrupt due to healthcare costs now than before

much more likely related to the fact that opiod addiction is on the rise, obesity is on the rise, and each of those has dramatic effects on life expectancy

More people are insured but people have less access to health care because their deductibles are so much higher.
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voldothegr8 posted...

The world average is ~71 so other nations are still playing catch up.

other industrialized nations' life expectancy is rising. nations whose average LE is higher than ours.

r4X0r posted...

More people are insured but people have less access to health care because their deductibles are so much higher.

the claim that they have less access is completely unsubstantiated.
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Darkman124 posted...

DevsBro posted...

Drpooplol posted...

Fucking fatties bringing us down.

Couldn't be that we shifted health insurance from being prohibitively expensive for a minority to being prohibitively expensive for everyone.

highly unlikely considering that more people are insured now than before and less people are going bankrupt due to healthcare costs now than before

much more likely related to the fact that opiod addiction is on the rise, obesity is on the rise, and each of those has dramatic effects on life expectancy

The state of health inaurance is a freaking mess. People have premiums in the thousands, some have deductables approaching ten thousand, and the "in network/out of network" loophole slaughters people.

If you take an ambulance literally anywhere in the State of Alabama, you'll be billed tens of thousands. BCBS AL will pay a tiny fraction of it and leave you with the rest. And the worst part is you didn't even call the ambulance. You were unconscious and some bystander did it.
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DevsBro posted...

The state of health inaurance is a freaking mess. People have premiums in the thousands, some have deductables approaching ten thousand, and the "in network/out of network" loophole slaughters people.

If you take an ambulance literally anywhere in the State of Alabama, you'll be billed tens of thousands. BCBS AL will pay a tiny fraction of it and leave you with the rest. And the worst part is you didn't even call the ambulance. You were unconscious and some bystander did it.

Oh, I agree it's a mess.

And yet, somehow? It's still better than what we had before the changes. And much better than what we will have with the mandate cut, as thousands of people drop coverage entirely with the intent to only carry it when they need it, thereby spiking prices for the rest of us.

There are two ways to deal with the high risk pool--all other ways crush the system with costs.

You either create a single plan that drives all others out of business and fund it with public money, or you tell the high risk pool to go die somewhere.

For years, what we did was mostly the latter, except doctors are required to provide treatment. So the way the high risk pool operated was "live outside the financial system, use the ER, then declare bankruptcy"

What's happening in our system is the high risk pool is sharing their costs with the rest of us. It's less total cost. But it's more cost on healthy people. So it feels worse to you, because you never really had to deal with any of the issues before.
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Well it depends on the variables. For instance with the mass influx of idiots in the EU, life expectancy is dropping for one because of the amazing rise of terror attacks. Secondly because the new pearls have such a high standard when it comes to health, its a miracle life expectancy isn't rising to 500.
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Thanks fat people
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This shouldn't be surprising given that the US economy is complete sh!t. In bad economic times more people are stressed out, and their problems whatever it is, tend to worsen. More domestic abuse, more suicides, more riots, more mass shootings, etc.

more stress, bad food, pollution, loneliness.
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cancer rates continue to rise in th U.S.
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Rexdragon125 posted...

Surely the free market will sort this out

We don't have a free market, we have a mixed economy. When interest rates are at 0% and the federal government is spending $4.09 trillion dollars on welfare, military spending, numerous amount of programs and regulations that is nothing close to a free market. That's not even accounting for the spending done in the state and local level, and you combine that with federal spending it's $7.17 trillion.

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total

voldothegr8 posted...

On average, Americans can now expect to live 78.6 years, a statistically significant drop of 0.1 year

Oh no a whole tenth of a year

It's an average drop. Do you understand how many people die each year and how hard it is to move that average by just a few days?
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ChromaticAngel posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

On average, Americans can now expect to live 78.6 years, a statistically significant drop of 0.1 year

Oh no a whole tenth of a year

It's an average drop. Do you understand how many people die each year and how hard it is to move that average by just a few days?

Then perhaps we should stop pouring millions of third world illegals into our country.

Eat right and exercise and you'll see your late eighties.
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We need to start sentencing heroin dealers to death and we need to drop herbicides on the opium crops in Afghanistan and every other country where it comes out of.

Awesome posted...

more stress, bad food, pollution, loneliness.

Well it's most likely the bad economy that's causing all these problems. That shouldn't be surprising when government artificially increase overhead cost on businesses by increasing the minimum wage, increasing payroll taxes, more regulations, more government spending on useless programs, etc. The most destruction policy the US government does is setting interest rates at 0%, it gives the illusion that the US economy is doing fine when it isn't and allows the government to borrow money endlessly. This weakens the dollar thus the cost of food, house, and especially insurance go up. Combined with our lousy educational system and a growing police state, the US isn't as rosy as the media makes it out to be.

You have inflation combined with low job opportunities especially for the poor, yeah people are stressed out and they die fast.

darkstar4221 posted...

You have inflation combined with low job opportunities especially for the poor, yeah people are stressed out and they die fast.

....what universe and more importantly what TIME do you live in? The economy is growing and job opportunities are increasing, and we all just got a tax cut.
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r4X0r posted...

darkstar4221 posted...

You have inflation combined with low job opportunities especially for the poor, yeah people are stressed out and they die fast.

....what universe and more importantly what TIME do you live in? The economy is growing and job opportunities are increasing, and we all just got a tax cut.

Oh yeah the BLS which counts all jobs as equal. According to the BLS a 10-hour per week minimum wage job at McDonald's is the same as someone who works 45 hours a week and makes $80,000 at Apple. The fact is in 17 years the US hasn't gained a single bread winning job in manufacturing and higher white collar professions, what has increased are leisure and hospitality jobs ( bars, hotels and restaurants).

r4X0r posted...

darkstar4221 posted...

You have inflation combined with low job opportunities especially for the poor, yeah people are stressed out and they die fast.

....what universe and more importantly what TIME do you live in? The economy is growing and job opportunities are increasing, and we all just got a tax cut.

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/peak-fantasy-time/
David Stockman points out there is little to no industrial production in the United Sates. All our jobs are shipped overseas to China, Malaysia, India, etc.

Barring statistics it's only natural for millions of Americans to be unemployed when the government increases overhead costs on business by increasing the minimum wage and adding more red tape. Over the last 30 years the amount of employees being fired is at it's lowest, why is that? Is that because employees are suddenly good workers? No. The fact is there is no one being fired because no one is being hired unless it's a really low paying job (bars, hotels, restaurants, or some other service type of job) and that's where most of the job growth has been created in the last 10 years.

The BLS says the US unemployment is only 4.1% but it's not counting the amount of Americans who gave up looking for work which I believed increased in November, and it counts all the part time-job workers (ie those working at McDonald's) as an increase in employment. This is the real US economy.