Current Events > Rottentomatoes audience score for The Last Jedi is FAKE NEWS (spoilers)

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It's inevitable, a new Star Wars movie comes out and it's polarizing amongst fans who will argue their point until they're blue in the face. Rotten Tomatoes currently has The Last Jedi with a 93% Fresh rating with a 56% User Score. The numbers do look fishy, especially when you take the Cinemascore rating into consideration. Cinemascore takes in-person opinion surveys from audiences exiting theaters at the conclusion of movies in an effort to get a realistic audience score. The Cinemascore "A" rating would imply that real-life audience opinion is much more in line with the critics than the online User Scores, suggesting that something may be off with the ratings over at Rotten Tomatoes User's section.

It's 2017 and troll culture is very much a part of everyday life on the internet, but nowhere is that more apparent than the infamous website 4chan. Anonymous users on the forum-like site have admitted to making multiple "burner" accounts to give The Last Jedi a bad score on Rotten Tomatoes in an effort to anger Star Wars fans. One user said that he/she had over a dozen accounts specifically to trash The Last Jedi, which apparently is really easy to do and only takes a few minutes. However, to write a few bad reviews takes some more time and really shows the effort in the mission to tear down the movie.

Every decently popular movie and game gets fake reviews but they don't impact the overall score that much.

Even without any troll interference, there is no way the score would be above 70 with how polarized the opinions on the movie are online.
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Link HT posted...

Every decently popular movie and game gets fake reviews but they don't impact the overall score that much.

Even without any troll interference, there is no way the score would be above 70 with how polarized the opinions on the movie are online.

Did you not READ the bolded? Cinemascore is far more credible than anonymous review/ratings sites as 4chan trolls have admitted to making multiple rottentomatoes accounts for the sole purpose of bringing down the TLJ audience score. If dedicated enough, they could easily have a massive impact on something as popular as Star Wars! Back when IMDB had message boards, a SINGLE dedicated troll destroyed EVERY Hunger Games message board using dozens of accounts. Never underestimate the trolls.

More people are catching on to this troll job.

https://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2017/12/18/60755/blame-the-trolls-for-the-last-jedi-s-low-score-on/

Also, The Nerd really liked the movie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE5BwvaX-Ng

I feel like the only people hating on the movie are huge nerds that dont like that the movie deviated from the usual Star Wars formula.
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Deadpool_18 posted...

I feel like the only people hating on the movie are huge nerds that dont like that the movie deviated from the usual Star Wars formula.

This and the undeniable trolls that the OP references.
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Deadpool_18 posted...

I feel like the only people hating on the movie are huge nerds that dont like that the movie deviated from the usual Star Wars formula.

yeah that's mainly it

muh luke skywalker!!

More evidence that IMDB and Rottentomatoes have been besieged by trolls trying to bring down TLJ score.

It's a social media study looking at Twitter and Facebook that found a 70% positive rating for the movie. Keep in mind that angry trolls infest these platforms too.

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/12/18/star-wars-the-last-jedi-positive-audience-reactions-study/

Between Synthesio's findings and the overwhelmingly positive exit poll numbers from CinemaScore, it seems like audiences are enjoying The Last Jedi much more than the Rotten Tomatoes audience score suggests.

Turbo nerds bombarding a popular IP with negative reviews. In other news, water is wet.

Basically, this doesn't surprise me at all.
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But most people online do dislike the movie from my experience
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Look everyone! A shill!

C_Pain posted...

But most people online do dislike the movie from my experience

Not from mine, when watching actual reviews where people show their fucking faces.

C_Pain posted...

There are many trolls posting bogus complaints online

ftfy
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thelovefist posted...

C_Pain posted...

There are many trolls posting bogus complaints online

ftfy

Like for example, "the Rose and Finn subplot was POINTLESS!!!!!1111".

Cinemascore isn't a definitive example because people's opinions can easily change afterwards.

For example, I wasn't entirely sure how I felt after watching it, so if they asked me then I might've said it was better than TFA, which is a positive response. But now that I realize that I don't like it I know that'll be the more accurate response which Cinemascore wouldn't have recorded.
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Ammonitida posted...

thelovefist posted...

C_Pain posted...

There are many trolls posting bogus complaints online

ftfy

Like for example, "the Rose and Finn subplot was POINTLESS!!!!!1111".

I mean, speaking as some one who liked the movie for the most part, I did think it was kind of pointless...
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Kitt posted...

Ammonitida posted...

thelovefist posted...

C_Pain posted...

There are many trolls posting bogus complaints online

ftfy

Like for example, "the Rose and Finn subplot was POINTLESS!!!!!1111".

I mean, speaking as some one who liked the movie for the most part, I did think it was kind of pointless...

I mean, it's so pointless that without it, there would have been no 3rd act on the salt planet.

Ammonitida posted...

Kitt posted...

Ammonitida posted...

thelovefist posted...

C_Pain posted...

There are many trolls posting bogus complaints online

ftfy

Like for example, "the Rose and Finn subplot was POINTLESS!!!!!1111".

I mean, speaking as some one who liked the movie for the most part, I did think it was kind of pointless...

I mean, it's so pointless that without it, there would have been no 3rd act on the salt planet.

Sure, let's go with that.
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Kitt posted...

Turbo nerds bombarding a popular IP with negative reviews. In other news, water is wet.

Basically, this doesn't surprise me at all.

Is water wet?
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KazumaKiryu posted...

Kitt posted...

Turbo nerds bombarding a popular IP with negative reviews. In other news, water is wet.Basically, this doesn't surprise me at all.

Is water wet?

How can we know if our eyes aren't real?
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What about all the fanboys like yourself who likely gave the movie an undeserved 10/10?

Like I said, every popular movie gets a lot of polarized votes but the overall low score this movie got can't be ignored unless you're being willfully blind.
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I've noticed that I personally know in real life loves this movie, but people online are acting like the most bitter nerds imaginable about it.
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Link HT posted...

What about all the fanboys like yourself who likely gave the movie an undeserved 10/10?

Like I said, every popular movie gets a lot of polarized votes but the overall low score this movie got can't be ignored unless you're being willfully blind.

Uh, no. Why not READ what I bolded, ffs? This movie have received an overall HIGH score from both critics and exiting audience. It's you who is willfully blind by basing your comment on websites besieged by trolls with multiple accounts. Only a troll would say TLJ is worse than TPM.

There are countless reviews that are obvious trolls because the comments state that the reviewer never watched the movie.
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Why didn't this happen with TFA or RO? Both of which have audience scores that closely match the review scores.
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There are not tens of thousands of fake reviews, as would be needed for that score. The reviews on this board are equally mixed and much in line with the audience score.

Sounds like an apologist article trying to excuse the poor reaction a lot of Star Wars fans had.
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I think the real test will be Box Office legs.

But CinemaScore is significantly more reliable than an RT/MC score since the latter two can be pretty easily brigaded, so I'm inclined to believe bot campaigns probably dragged it down as low as it did.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

I think the real test will be Box Office legs.

But CinemaScore is significantly more reliable than an RT/MC score since the latter two can be pretty easily brigaded, so I'm inclined to believe bot campaigns probably dragged it down as low as it did.

Again, why didn't this happen with TFA or RO? It's not like multi-accounts and bots are a new thing.
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The movie is really messy, but I don't think it's as awful as most people are saying

That being said, I'd give it a "negative" review over a positive review just because of how goofy the pacing was and how convenient everything had to work for the resistance story line. While not awful, still net negative.

The user split is the same on Metacritic:

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii---the-last-jedi



It's at conspiracy theory levels to claim that both sites were infiltrated by enough 4chan trolls to swing those ratings this much.
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I dont think troll accounts would be enough for such a low score. And I would imagine trolls trash all kinds of movies, not just Star Wars, so we would have noticed this trend before.

Most people I know irl seem to think that it was a bad movie, with just a couple of people liking it.

Ammonitida posted...

One user said that he/she had over a dozen accounts specifically to trash The Last Jedi,

This is why I label trolls as sadists.

You sat there and created over 12 accounts just to give a movie a bad score to piss off fans.

Losers to the highest degree.
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Also, Rotten Tomatoes says the OP is fake news:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/#77b264ef4231

On Tuesday I spoke at length with Rotten Tomatoes spokesperson Dana Benson regarding the movie ratings site's Audience Score of 55% for Star Wars: The Last Jedi. I was curious to know whether there was any merit to conspiracy theories that have circulated in recent days alleging organized vote campaigns to drive down the films scores from their proper levels, and why there is such a big disparity between the mediocre Rotten Tomatoes audience ratings and other, higher critics' and viewers' responses, such as the A rating from Cinemascore.

Ms. Benson, who is the Vice President of Communications at Fandango, the parent company of Rotten Tomatoes, told me that Fandango and Rotten Tomatoes are fully confident in the ratings and scores for the Star Wars picture. She assured me that Rotten Tomatoes has gone to great lengths to verify their ratings' accuracy and authenticity.

We have several teams of security, network, and social database experts who constantly monitor reviews and ratings to ensure that they are genuine, she told me. They havent seen anything unusual with The Last Jedi, except that there has been an uptick in the number of written user reviews submitted. Aside from that, everything is normal and we dont see any unusual activity. We looked at The Last Jedi compared to other blockbusters and it has been consistent with those past films.

For such a rare event picture like Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the increased level of interest and participation in review sites is to be expected. Benson told me that the picture has received a comparable number of reviews to The Force Awakens.

Some critics and social media commenters have questioned the gap between the Rotten Tomatoes score and the ratings on other services, highlighting it as "proof" that there is something amiss with the Rotten Tomatoes numbers. But Ive seen absolutely no evidence presented by anyone to back up these claims, nor even a credible explanation as to where this supposed legion of organized Star Wars haters is and what its motives might be for depressing the films ratings. The simpler, and far more credible explanation is simply that a lot of people dont like the movie.

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Does real news no longer exist
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The Admiral posted...

Also, Rotten Tomatoes says the OP is fake news:

Of course they're going to defend the integrity of their website. Too bad that more credible sources for audience reaction go against their user rating.

As for the written user reviews on that site, they account for only a fraction of the rating (1000 out of 120,000). You're dealing with a vocal angry minority who need to get their NERD RAGE on. Go to IMDB and look at the user reviews for TFA there. Just streams of negative reviews. No positive ones in sight. Now look at the overall score. A vast difference.

Ammonitida posted...

The Admiral posted...

Also, Rotten Tomatoes says the OP is fake news:

Of course they're going to defend the integrity of their website. Too bad that more credible sources for audience reaction go against their user rating.

As for the written user reviews on that site, they account for only a fraction of the rating (1000 out of 120,000). You're dealing with a vocal angry minority who need to get their NERD RAGE on. Go to IMDB and look at the user reviews for TFA there. Just streams of negative reviews. No positive ones in sight. Now look at the overall score.

What about all the positive ones on RT for TFA and RO? Again, why didn't this happen with those movies?
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The overreaction and general push back against the media is why the score is so low. While I absolutely thought RO and TFA were better films, saying this is worse than TPM or AotC is flat out wrong. And I need to rewatch to see if I'd place RotS ahead of it.

Basically the critics are far too high and the user scores are far too low. It's probably right around 70% objectively in comparison to other films.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Ammonitida posted...

The Admiral posted...

Also, Rotten Tomatoes says the OP is fake news:

Of course they're going to defend the integrity of their website. Too bad that more credible sources for audience reaction go against their user rating.

As for the written user reviews on that site, they account for only a fraction of the rating (1000 out of 120,000). You're dealing with a vocal angry minority who need to get their NERD RAGE on. Go to IMDB and look at the user reviews for TFA there. Just streams of negative reviews. No positive ones in sight. Now look at the overall score.

What about all the positive ones on RT for TFA and RO? Again, why didn't this happen with those movies?

We don't have evidence that 4chan orchestrated a troll campaign against those two.

And for people saying that trolls can't possibly bring down a score on multiple sites, you clearly don't realize how dedicated trolls can be, especially when they're organized.

I was once a regular of the Hunger Games board on IMDB, and witnessed a single troll with dozens of accounts invade and absolutely destroy every Hunger Games message board with floods of posts accusing Suzanne Collins of "ripping off" Battle Royale. This troll didn't even attempt to hide that it was using multiple accounts. Every account it used was a perverted play on an Arabic name. Now just imagine a team sick trolls like that, straight from the bowels of 4chan.

Someone doesn't like something you like? They must just be <insert insult here>
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The movie is ok at best. Why are people surprised many people didn't like the movie? There's tons of issues with it and even Mark Hamill wasn't happy with his character. I guess he's a troll nerd.
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LockeMonster posted...

The movie is ok at best. Why are people surprised many people didn't like the movie? There's tons of issues with it and even Mark Hamill wasn't happy with his character. I guess he's a troll nerd.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/#690458294231

Wait a minute, what's this oWo
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Sounds like a PR campaign from Disney aimed to find excuses for the huge disparity between the audience scores and the critics score.
Too bad TC is gullible and bought it.

Kitt posted...

Ammonitida posted...

thelovefist posted...

C_Pain posted...

There are many trolls posting bogus complaints online

ftfy

Like for example, "the Rose and Finn subplot was POINTLESS!!!!!1111".

I mean, speaking as some one who liked the movie for the most part, I did think it was kind of pointless...

I don't agree that it is pointless, people argue that it sets up that kid and the overall message of hope being alive. Whereas I really enjoyed that section of the movie because it was a behind the scenes look of people profiting off of the war. It reminded me of the prequel government stuff showing there is more to the galaxy then just the Empire, Rebels, and Jedi.
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