Current Events > Last Jedi. What the hell was that? *spoilers*

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I had no idea what I was even watching.

Luke's a jerk. No he's not. Ok he's feeling bad about Ben betraying him. Ah no wait, he's not. Actually he tried to kill him. Oh, well I guess we'll find out he's turned to the dark side (that's what the movie poster screams, after all). Oh wait, no. He was just scared. Or really? Idk. Okay now he's... uh... no, he's staying there. Ok. Rey's leaving. Uh... visions. And... uh... what?

Idk. At the end of the movie I was like... ok, so, Luke's dead now? I mean, he was just a ghost during the fight, no? I guess when you hit a ghost you kill him? Or idk.

I didn't hate the movie or anything. I just had no idea what I was watching. It was like watching a 2 hour long trailer. It was all over the place. I never felt like there was much of a story at all. It just felt empty.

I think I'm just gonna go back to the Dark House comics and the Knights of the old Republic RPG. That's where Star Wars was good. This new Disney stuff is... I don't even know what it is. Just let them do whatever they want with it.
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Kotor and espcially kotor 2 are godly tier SW story.

Too bad, just fucking too bad ea ruined it with tor
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iClockwork posted...

sad mark hamill is a great meme
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ulW_wu4Fig

His face looks like he was completely betrayed. Like he's thinking of what he just saw and how it's not what he was probably led to believe. When he turns to Rian, it's like he's saying "you lied to me".
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Oh good, another one of these topics
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Oh good, another one of these topics

Yeah seems like a lot of viewers can't comprehend there being more than just a dark side and a light.
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I personally loved it and was happy to see a fresh take on things.
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Squall28 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Oh good, another one of these topics

Yeah seems like a lot of viewers can't comprehend there being more than just a dark side and a light.

It's sadly telling.
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Squall28 posted...

Yeah seems like a lot of viewers can't comprehend there being more than just a dark side and a light.

That isnt the issue with the movie.

DoctorVader posted...

His face looks like he was completely betrayed. Like he's thinking of what he just saw and how it's not what he was probably led to believe. When he turns to Rian, it's like he's saying "you lied to me".

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/942488271753330688
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frozenshock posted...

Luke's dead now? I mean, he was just a ghost during the fight, no? I guess when you hit a ghost you kill him?

is this really what you took from the movie

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Oh good, another one of these topics

wow how dare ppl talk about the biggest movie in the world rn

prince_leo posted...

DoctorVader posted...

His face looks like he was completely betrayed. Like he's thinking of what he just saw and how it's not what he was probably led to believe. When he turns to Rian, it's like he's saying "you lied to me".

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/942488271753330688

That was literally Disney telling him to shut up
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The amount of people upset that Luke is dead is baffling to me.

Like have you never watched star wars? Do you not know about force ghosts?
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

prince_leo posted...

DoctorVader posted...

His face looks like he was completely betrayed. Like he's thinking of what he just saw and how it's not what he was probably led to believe. When he turns to Rian, it's like he's saying "you lied to me".

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/942488271753330688

That was literally Disney telling him to shut up

Some guy in a mickey mouse costume held him at knife point and told him to post that
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

The amount of people upset that Luke is dead is baffling to me.

Like have you never watched star wars? Do you not know about force ghosts?

i know about force ghosts. so what?

FrenchCrunch posted...

frozenshock posted...

Luke's dead now? I mean, he was just a ghost during the fight, no? I guess when you hit a ghost you kill him?

is this really what you took from the movie

It's not even that. It's not like "arggh Luke is dead how dare you" or anything like that.

I didn't like the movie because...

well, like I said. It felt like watching a 2 hour long trailer.

I just had the impression that there was no real narrative. It was like... I felt like I didn't know where the story was going. It's not that the story was bad. It's more like... there was too little story for it to really be good or bad.

There were a lot of action scenes but sometimes I just found myself wondering "wait, why are they fighting again?"

I think the problem is that it's just an action movie. I was expecting a storyline, like how the PT showed the little maneuvers that Palpatine did to gain control, things like that. But that's not the kind of movie it was. It's like... it was just an action movie that happened to have Star Wars characters in it and they managed to include some little Star Wars scenes just to remind us that it's Star Wars.

Not that it was a bad action movie. It's just not at all the kind of movie I was expecting.
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no i get it and i feel you, i'm just asking if you really think luke died because kylo attacked his projection

FrenchCrunch posted...

no i get it and i feel you, i'm just asking if you really think luke died because kylo attacked his projection

I have no idea. He looked like he turned into a pile of sand at the end. Maybe he exhausted his powers. Idk.
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frozenshock posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

no i get it and i feel you, i'm just asking if you really think luke died because kylo attacked his projection

I have no idea. He looked like he turned into a pile of sand at the end. Maybe he exhausted his powers. Idk.

yes

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

The amount of people upset that Luke is dead is baffling to me.

Like have you never watched star wars? Do you not know about force ghosts?

The last time we saw Luke in his prime was literally 34 years ago

Hell Obi Wan was older and he did more at his age for actively helping the heroes

This entire movie was just one big game of cat and mouse
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I think I really get it why I hated it now. It's starting to make sense to me.

TLJ is not necessarily a bad movie.

TLJ is just a generic action movie that happens to have Star Wars characters in it.

I think that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

When I finished watching it I just felt like the story barely progressed at all. They could have literally told the entire film's story in 20 or 30 minutes.
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frozenshock posted...

I think I really get it why I hated it now. It's starting to make sense to me.

TLJ is not necessarily a bad movie.

TLJ is just a generic action movie that happens to have Star Wars characters in it.

I think that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

When I finished watching it I just felt like the story barely progressed at all. They could have literally told the entire film's story in 20 or 30 minutes.

A lot of the story elements also happen because of sheer poor communication, namely the Resistance evacuation.
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I left the movie pretty disappointed and I'm not looking forward to the sequel at all. They pretty much killed off every relevant character and subplot.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

A lot of the story elements also happen because of sheer poor communication, namely the Resistance evacuation.

This was my only complaint about the story. The temporary leader of the Resistance was awful and her lack of communication led to her plan essentially failing. I'm not really sure why her plan was a big secret because there was no established reason for her not to trust the crew. It would have been more believable for her to explain the extent of her plan to Poe and try to convince him of it rather than rely on Poe keeping his cool under dire circumstances.
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Link HT posted...

I left the movie pretty disappointed and I'm not looking forward to the sequel at all. They pretty much killed off every relevant character and subplot.

Seriously. The finale being Rey vs Kylo with some Luke trolling sounds incredibly lame
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frozenshock posted...

I think I'm just gonna go back to the Dark House comics and the Knights of the old Republic RPG.

Please do.

RuffledPeanuts posted...

I'm not really sure why her plan was a big secret because there was no established reason for her not to trust the crew.

The ship just got tracked through hyperspace.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Link HT posted...

I left the movie pretty disappointed and I'm not looking forward to the sequel at all. They pretty much killed off every relevant character and subplot.

Seriously. The finale being Rey vs Kylo with some Luke trolling sounds incredibly lame

The finale being the... two main characters of the trilogy is lame?
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Link HT posted...

I left the movie pretty disappointed and I'm not looking forward to the sequel at all. They pretty much killed off every relevant character and subplot.

Seriously. The finale being Rey vs Kylo with some Luke trolling sounds incredibly lame

The finale being the... two main characters of the trilogy is lame?

In the OT Leia Lando and Han were all busy while Luke confronted Vader.

Here Poe and Finn are not even taken seriously enough to do a single side mission, let alone aid Rey in some other way.
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lderivedx posted...

RuffledPeanuts posted...

I'm not really sure why her plan was a big secret because there was no established reason for her not to trust the crew.

The ship just got tracked through hyperspace.

How does that correlate with her not trusting the crew enough to disclose the details to her plan? They did nothing to establish that the temporary leader believed that they had a spy on board the vessel (If that's your point). All that'd take is one throwaway line and her lack of communication would make a lot more sense. However, judging by her plan, she knew that the ship itself was being physically tracked and she was planning to escape on smaller ships that were harder to detect. Her plan wouldn't make sense if she suspected that there was a spy on her team.
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RuffledPeanuts posted...

How does that correlate with her not trusting the crew enough to disclose the details to her plan? They did nothing to establish that the temporary leader believed that they had a spy on board the vessel (If that's your point). All that'd take is one throwaway line and her lack of communication would make a lot more sense. However, judging by her plan, she knew that the ship itself was being physically tracked and she was planning to escape on smaller ships that were harder to detect. Her plan wouldn't make sense if she suspected that there was a spy on her team.

I mean, Rose said there had been people trying to desert all day. Perhaps she didn't want to tell everyone lest they get caught.
Seems natural to me to only tell the bridge crew.

Really she should have locked Poe up the second they met.
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It's not that complicated. They're not retconning it every three minutes. Luke is dealing with internal problems.

He tried to train Ben, but he could tell Ben was growing extremely strongly toward the dark side. Luke was complacent about it until that one night when the gravity of the situation suddenly hit him. He panicked and tried to kill Ben, but Ben escaped and left him for dead.

Frustrated as hell and feeling like a total failure, and maybe also feeling betrayed by the Force (the film doesn't say that last bit but I kinda got the vibe), Luke took it extremely hard and decided to isolate himself.

He's ashamed of the whole ordeal, so he holds back information when Rey asks, until she is otherwise informed and confronts him about it. He knows what the right thing to do is, but he's frustrated and discouraged by his failure. It's cognitive dissonance.

As soon as Rey leaves, he makes up his mind to do whatever he can and shows some yet-unseen Force power of very-long-distance tangible illusion generation to meet back up with his sister, hint at an exit to the base (not sure if this was intentional though), apologize to Kylo Ren for his failure and fight him to stall for time.

Presumably, doing the biggest feat of Force badassery of all time takes a toll on the body, but more importantly, having finally regained his resolve and made some small manner of atonement for his wrongs, he was at peace with the Force and with himself.

Whether he died from the strain or willingly joined with the Force is up for interpretation but he's gonna be in episode 9 for sure.
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Perhaps if Poe didn't disregard a direct order from Leia, turn off his comms, lead a charge that, while resulting in the destruction of a First Order Dreadnought, resulted in the decimation of the Resistance bombing fleet and escort, and was immediately demoted the second he confronted Leia; then he may have been given need-to-know status. We like Poe because he's an ace pilot, but he's brash and can make terrible decisions resulting in death.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

The amount of people upset that Luke is dead is baffling to me.

Like have you never watched star wars? Do you not know about force ghosts?

The last time we saw Luke in his prime was literally 34 years ago

Hell Obi Wan was older and he did more at his age for actively helping the heroes

How? Luke literally did the exact same things as ANH Obi Wan in this film...
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lderivedx posted...

RuffledPeanuts posted...

I'm not really sure why her plan was a big secret because there was no established reason for her not to trust the crew.

The ship just got tracked through hyperspace.

If there is one change I could make to this movie, I want that detail bolded an its implications made painfully clear to the audience. It does so much to explain things going forward, and it's interpretation is left to the audience almost entirely.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Here Poe and Finn are not even taken seriously enough to do a single side mission, let alone aid Rey in some other way.

Finn tried to leave literally to help Rey. Like he explicitly states that.
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I liked the movie a lot. I think sometimes with things like star wars we let the past cloud our judgement a little bit. This series is riddled with unknowns and continuity issues just by virtue with how they were made.

Leia says her mother died when she was young. Episode 3 shows her dying at child birth. Qui gon is obi wans master. Well no Yoda is. I know that's the prequel to the OT but it still creates issues. Because it's all canon.

Here's your father's light saber he wanted you to have it. None of this stuff gets mentioned in the prequels like it should have. So the series has a bunch of inconsistencies. Luke conquered Vader with very little training. Anakin was trained for 10 years.

I take Luke doing what he did was like any human having a momentary lapse of morality. And that's why he left because he felt like he failed. I will say Rey's backstory was a little flat and doesn't help her much because she's still kinda boring once you get past how cute Daisy Ridley is. Lol. It annoyed me how she did so great without any training or family lineage. You're asking me to take a big leap there. I wish someone at least gave her some tips before she started randomly becoming so strong.

It's like her power is plot. She's as strong as the plot needed.

It was a good movie. But like most of the star wars movies it had flaws. Like we forget when we talk about snoke that in the OT the emepror is mentioned but then he shows up finally with no backstory or reason why he's the emperor. So some of its flaws aren't that different than normal. I just think it's a little different than what people are used to and that's fine.

I liked the conflict in Luke. It would kind of be boring if he was just the same old dude.
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I miss Gav and Jori Daragon and Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh and the valley of the dark lords. That's Star Wars.

*dives into the old comics*

Brb guys
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dave_is_slick posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Here Poe and Finn are not even taken seriously enough to do a single side mission, let alone aid Rey in some other way.

Finn tried to leave literally to help Rey. Like he explicitly states that.

I realize that, but that was of his own accord and with limited support from Rose and Poe, and Rey saves them all in the end anyway so it didn't even matter, grr.
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Can Admiral Ackbar come back as a force ghost
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