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Darkman124 12/18/17 10:34:38 AM #1:	seems to me that dems actually have some measure of motivation to dig in on the debt ceiling. government being forced closed could, potentially, delay a vote on the GOP tax bill until after jones is seated, potentially creating chaos on the result of the vote. could create a large stock market drop; another shutdown almost certainly would provoke S&P et al to lower our credit rating. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:892436040] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>seems to me that dems actually have some measure of motivation to dig in on the debt ceiling. government being forced closed could, potentially, delay a vote on the GOP tax bill until after jones is seated, potentially creating chaos on the result of the vote. could create a large stock market drop; another shutdown almost certainly would provoke S&P et al to lower our credit rating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
einegutePerson 12/18/17 10:38:14 AM #2:	Not informed enough to discuss. Sorry. --- im a good person <cite>einegutePerson posted [p:892436170] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>Not informed enough to discuss. Sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drifboom 12/18/17 10:39:20 AM #3:	I mean in general why raise the debt ceiling when the debt will mainly go up because of the GOP cutting taxes? Make them live with their choice. --- - DB <cite>Drifboom posted [p:892436207] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>I mean in general why raise the debt ceiling when the debt will mainly go up because of the GOP cutting taxes? Make them live with their choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BulletWing 12/18/17 10:46:02 AM #4:	Aren't they passing the tax bill before trying to work on the shutdown budget? --- Bullet_Wing has no alts <cite>BulletWing posted [p:892436484] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>Aren't they passing the tax bill before trying to work on the shutdown budget?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 12/18/17 10:48:52 AM #5:	Tax cuts do not cause debt. Spending causes debt. --- Professionals are predictable- it's the amateurs who are dangerous. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:892436597] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>Tax cuts do not cause debt. Spending causes debt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BulletWing 12/18/17 10:49:46 AM #6:	r4X0r posted... Tax cuts do not cause debt. Spending causes debt. --- Bullet_Wing has no alts <cite>BulletWing posted [p:892436651] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Tax cuts do not cause debt. Spending causes debt.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/18/17 10:50:01 AM #7:	BulletWing posted... Aren't they passing the tax bill before trying to work on the shutdown budget? trying to, but a number of GOP senators are delaying it by making new demans if they delay past the shutdown discussion, dems have a legit reason to force things closed. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:892436664] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>BulletWing posted...</cite> <quote>Aren't they passing the tax bill before trying to work on the shutdown budget? </quote> trying to, but a number of GOP senators are delaying it by making new demans if they delay past the shutdown discussion, dems have a legit reason to force things closed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BulletWing 12/18/17 10:53:02 AM #8:	Darkman124 posted... BulletWing posted... Aren't they passing the tax bill before trying to work on the shutdown budget? trying to, but a number of GOP senators are delaying it by making new demans if they delay past the shutdown discussion, dems have a legit reason to force things closed. Huh, last I read McConnell had all his votes in hand. Granted that was Saturday, so maybe I missed new developments. --- Bullet_Wing has no alts <cite>BulletWing posted [p:892436797] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BulletWing posted...</cite> <quote>Aren't they passing the tax bill before trying to work on the shutdown budget? </quote> trying to, but a number of GOP senators are delaying it by making new demans if they delay past the shutdown discussion, dems have a legit reason to force things closed.</quote> Huh, last I read McConnell had all his votes in hand. Granted that was Saturday, so maybe I missed new developments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KarmaMuffin 12/18/17 10:53:58 AM #9:	What does it mean that McCain is not going to vote? Do they still need 50 votes + Pence? <cite>KarmaMuffin posted [p:892436842] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>What does it mean that McCain is not going to vote? Do they still need 50 votes + Pence?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/18/17 10:54:07 AM #10:	BulletWing posted... Huh, last I read McConnell had all his votes in hand. Granted that was Saturday, so maybe I missed new developments. actually it looks like they already caved to rubio http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/365315-sen-rubios-push-for-child-tax-credit-is-all-about-2020 --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:892436851] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>BulletWing posted...</cite> <quote> Huh, last I read McConnell had all his votes in hand. Granted that was Saturday, so maybe I missed new developments.</quote> actually it looks like they already caved to rubio http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/365315-sen-rubios-push-for-child-tax-credit-is-all-about-2020</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 12/18/17 10:54:46 AM #11:	BulletWing posted... r4X0r posted... Tax cuts do not cause debt. Spending causes debt. debt det/Submit noun something, typically money, that is owed or due. "I paid off my debts" synonyms:bill, account, dues, arrears, charges; More the state of owing money. "the firm is heavily in debt" You only owe money if you spend it. Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does. --- Professionals are predictable- it's the amateurs who are dangerous. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:892436882] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>BulletWing posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Tax cuts do not cause debt. Spending causes debt.</quote> </quote> debt det/Submit noun something, typically money, that is owed or due. "I paid off my debts" synonyms:bill, account, dues, arrears, charges; More the state of owing money. "the firm is heavily in debt" You only owe money if you spend it. Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/18/17 11:01:57 AM #12:	Does it even matter how high the debt goes if we're never gonna pay it off anyway? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:892437212] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>Does it even matter how high the debt goes if we're never gonna pay it off anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BulletWing 12/18/17 11:03:06 AM #13:	Darkman124 posted... BulletWing posted... Huh, last I read McConnell had all his votes in hand. Granted that was Saturday, so maybe I missed new developments. actually it looks like they already caved to rubio http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/365315-sen-rubios-push-for-child-tax-credit-is-all-about-2020 I'm reading that they're pushing for a vote tonight/early tomorrow morning. A Monday night conference. Probably to avoid exactly what you were talking about in the OP. --- Bullet_Wing has no alts <cite>BulletWing posted [p:892437276] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BulletWing posted...</cite> <quote> Huh, last I read McConnell had all his votes in hand. Granted that was Saturday, so maybe I missed new developments.</quote> actually it looks like they already caved to rubio http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/365315-sen-rubios-push-for-child-tax-credit-is-all-about-2020</quote> I'm reading that they're pushing for a vote tonight/early tomorrow morning. A Monday night conference. Probably to avoid exactly what you were talking about in the OP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/18/17 11:05:34 AM #14:	thronedfire2 posted... Does it even matter how high the debt goes if we're never gonna pay it off anyway? the US has always made payments on its debt. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:892437366] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>Does it even matter how high the debt goes if we're never gonna pay it off anyway?</quote> the US has always made payments on its debt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/18/17 11:12:07 AM #15:	BulletWing posted... Darkman124 posted... BulletWing posted... Huh, last I read McConnell had all his votes in hand. Granted that was Saturday, so maybe I missed new developments. actually it looks like they already caved to rubio http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/365315-sen-rubios-push-for-child-tax-credit-is-all-about-2020 I'm reading that they're pushing for a vote tonight/early tomorrow morning. A Monday night conference. Probably to avoid exactly what you were talking about in the OP. probably. mccain is in AZ, so if Corker's still a no they need to please everyone else. presumably they're keeping pence around in DC in case collins backs out. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:892437656] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>BulletWing posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BulletWing posted...</cite> <quote> Huh, last I read McConnell had all his votes in hand. Granted that was Saturday, so maybe I missed new developments.</quote> actually it looks like they already caved to rubio http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/365315-sen-rubios-push-for-child-tax-credit-is-all-about-2020</quote> I'm reading that they're pushing for a vote tonight/early tomorrow morning. A Monday night conference. Probably to avoid exactly what you were talking about in the OP.</quote> probably. mccain is in AZ, so if Corker's still a no they need to please everyone else. presumably they're keeping pence around in DC in case collins backs out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 12/18/17 11:34:29 AM #16:	r4X0r posted... Tax cuts do not cause debt. Spending causes debt. Okay and what's your point? The debt is still going to rise drastically because they are not cutting their spending. --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:892438633] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Tax cuts do not cause debt. Spending causes debt.</quote> Okay and what's your point? The debt is still going to rise drastically because they are not cutting their spending.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/18/17 11:34:51 AM #17:	don't feed the troll --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:892438653] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>don't feed the troll</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/18/17 11:36:19 AM #18:	my sources are still saying they expect the bill to pass tomorrow there's really no indication that anyone has an appetite to kill this bill --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:892438726] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>my sources are still saying they expect the bill to pass tomorrow there's really no indication that anyone has an appetite to kill this bill</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/18/17 11:42:12 AM #19:	yeah i mean nobody wants to get primaried. tbh i wonder why dems didnt just make the govt shut down in early dec that'd be expensive but it'd fubar the whole thing --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:892438991] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>yeah i mean nobody wants to get primaried. tbh i wonder why dems didnt just make the govt shut down in early dec that'd be expensive but it'd fubar the whole thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 12/18/17 11:43:04 AM #20:	Balr0g remind me again which southern state you're in? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:892439036] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>Balr0g remind me again which southern state you're in?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/18/17 12:21:57 PM #21:	Darkman124 posted... tbh i wonder why dems didnt just make the govt shut down in early dec I don't think the democratic party understands how to be an effective opposition. No one has told me this directly, but I get the feeling they believe they will be blamed for basically anything bad that happens right now even though they aren't really in the hotseat (or shouldn't be) Doom_Art posted... Balr0g remind me again which southern state you're in? Arkansas! I live in Little rock --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:892440919] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>tbh i wonder why dems didnt just make the govt shut down in early dec</quote> I don't think the democratic party understands how to be an effective opposition. No one has told me this directly, but I get the feeling they believe they will be blamed for basically anything bad that happens right now even though they aren't really in the hotseat (or shouldn't be) <cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Balr0g remind me again which southern state you're in?</quote> Arkansas! I live in Little rock</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 12/18/17 12:28:30 PM #22:	None of these politicians really care its just a reason to obstruct the opponent --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:892441267] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>None of these politicians really care its just a reason to obstruct the opponent</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/18/17 12:30:44 PM #23:	Balrog0 posted... I don't think the democratic party understands how to be an effective opposition. No one has told me this directly, but I get the feeling they believe they will be blamed for basically anything bad that happens right now even though they aren't really in the hotseat (or shouldn't be) i agree. shame they also seem not to know how to be an effective majority party republicans steal, democrats lose --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:892441382] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote> I don't think the democratic party understands how to be an effective opposition. No one has told me this directly, but I get the feeling they believe they will be blamed for basically anything bad that happens right now even though they aren't really in the hotseat (or shouldn't be) </quote> i agree. shame they also seem not to know how to be an effective majority party republicans steal, democrats lose</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 12/18/17 12:40:29 PM #24:	I dont think the Democratic Party knows how to be an effective anything. If they had an ounce of the political acumen that the GOP has... --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:892441897] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote>I dont think the Democratic Party knows how to be an effective anything. If they had an ounce of the political acumen that the GOP has...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/18/17 12:41:49 PM #25:	Darkman124 posted... shame they also seem not to know how to be an effective majority party lol excellent point! --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:892441970] in debt ceili... [t:76111856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>shame they also seem not to know how to be an effective majority party</quote> lol excellent point!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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