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Who saw the movie in opening day? I saw it today and there were a bunch of people dressed up LOL

EducatedGuy posted...

1) how can Rey become a kick ass Saiyan with no training? She literally heard two speeches and a sobbing story from Luke and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

Same way Anakin was a great podracer even though he shouldn't have been. The Force.

If your question is why she is so good with the force, it's because she's the counterpart to Kylo. I'd assume if Disney wanted to explain this, it would be similar to the reason why Anakin was conceived. For balance purposes or whatever.

Also, pretty sure Rey saved the books. You see them in the compartment that Fin gets the blanket out of for Rose at the end.

2) why didnt luke go and kill Kylo or at least die trying instead of doing the dumbass hologram thing, especially since he was gonna die anyway!?

Cause then they wouldn't have a villain for part 9.

Also probably because he couldn't get off the island.

Also might feel guilt over thinking of killing him the first time.

3) why did the snow foxes go inside the fortress to get trapped and get in dangers way?

They didn't?

4) what was the point of the dumbass round birds with the creepy eyes ?

To sell toys.
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3khc posted...

DoctorVader posted...

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Offworlder1 posted...

@DoctorVader

Wrong, Anakin was created from the force by Palpatine or Plagus on purpose, the sith wanted a very powerful person on their side that had insane amounts of raw power.

The disney BS can go get fucked cause Lucass work is word of god and he literally made it a point in the PT and OT that the Skywalkers were insanely powerful force users because of Anakins bloodline.

Anakin was created by the Force. Palpatine and Plagueis had nothing to do with it.

Also I'm just explaining where they're heading, but it's not baseless or unfounded. Lucas made the Jedi look like incompetent bafoons high on their arrogance in the PT.

That was the point.

Huh?

Jedi let their own power blind them. They were too comfortable and therefore unfit to protect the galaxy. Palpatine was right in their face and even Yoda couldn't sense him.

But that's what I was saying. Offworlder said it's Disney BS but Lucas had established their incompetence long ago.
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EducatedGuy posted...

Who saw the movie in opening day? I saw it today and there were a bunch of people dressed up LOL

Saw some kids dressed up as

1 rebel
1 storm trooper
1 Kylo ten
1 Rey

It was cute.
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I don't think it was Lucas's intention that the Jedi were incompetent and ineffective in the PT. That was just a product of bad writing that the new SW creators are acknowledging. I'm sure Lucas would disagree with Luke's comments on the Jedi in TLJ.
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Yoda wasn't covering for Rey taking the books lol. The whole point was that the books didn't matter. Luke didn't even read them.

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

EducatedGuy posted...

1) how can Rey become a kick ass Saiyan with no training? She literally heard two speeches and a sobbing story from Luke and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

Same way Anakin was a great podracer even though he shouldn't have been. The Force.

If your question is why she is so good with the force, it's because she's the counterpart to Kylo. I'd assume if Disney wanted to explain this, it would be similar to the reason why Anakin was conceived. For balance purposes or whatever.

Also, pretty sure Rey saved the books. You see them in the compartment that Fin gets the blanket out of for Rose at the end.

2) why didnt luke go and kill Kylo or at least die trying instead of doing the dumbass hologram thing, especially since he was gonna die anyway!?

Cause then they wouldn't have a villain for part 9.

Also probably because he couldn't get off the island.

Also might feel guilt over thinking of killing him the first time.

3) why did the snow foxes go inside the fortress to get trapped and get in dangers way?

They didn't?

4) what was the point of the dumbass round birds with the creepy eyes ?

To sell toys.

Yeah the snow foxes were outside and then when the bad guys arrived they ran into the fortress, then then were all afraid. It makes no sense they could have just run somewhere else if they werent inside the fortress

No I said it is disney BS that Rey is as powerful as she is using the Skywalkers as examples of why she is bs.
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EducatedGuy posted...

Yeah the snow foxes were outside and then when the bad guys arrived they ran into the fortress, then then were all afraid. It makes no sense they could have just run somewhere else if they werent inside the fortress

They literally ran out the back.

They never got trapped.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

EducatedGuy posted...

Yeah the snow foxes were outside and then when the bad guys arrived they ran into the fortress, then then were all afraid. It makes no sense they could have just run somewhere else if they werent inside the fortress

They literally ran out the back.

They never got trapped.

Yes. They did once the shit hit the fan. But for quite a bit of time they were like OMG OMG the ships are gonna blast us!

The Admiral posted...

I don't think it was Lucas's intention that the Jedi were incompetent and ineffective in the PT. That was just a product of bad writing that the new SW creators are acknowledging. I'm sure Lucas would disagree with Luke's comments on the Jedi in TLJ.

I think that GL would disagree with the direction of Luke in the ST, but GL definitely set up the Jedi to fall.

I mean the part of the reason Anakin turned was that the Jedi were also manipulating and using their power in hypocritical ways. Palpatine had a point and Anakin agreed.
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I also think they're going to double down on the "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil".

Those books will probably reveal fucked up shit about the early Jedi.
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EducatedGuy posted...

Yes. They did once the s*** hit the fan. But for quite a bit of time they were like OMG OMG the ships are gonna blast us!

Cause they're fucking animals?

This seems like a really stupid thing to get upset about.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

EducatedGuy posted...

Yes. They did once the s*** hit the fan. But for quite a bit of time they were like OMG OMG the ships are gonna blast us!

Cause they're fucking animals?

This seems like a really stupid thing to get upset about.

Because it is a stupid thing to get upset about. Those dog things most likely inhabited that base too as it looked like the only shelter in that area.
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Offworlder1 posted...

The disney bs is just that, stupid shitty writing by people who do not understand SW, the force as Lucas described it, and how the jedi sith thing works.

The force is an energy field created by all living things, it is NOT some setient creature or life form that picks people to be special.

The force is energy and if you have more or can tap into more (looking at you Anakin) then your stronger then others going by raw power.

This post really put your explanations into perspective:
Offworlder1 posted...

The disney BS can go get fucked cause Lucass work is word of god

I don't get why OT fanboys keep paying attention to the series when they have such a strict view of how the series is supposed to be. Like, just keep rewatching 4-6 and reading the old EU media if you're not ready to accept that they're adding and changing things. Certain lines in TLJ seem like they were directed specifically at these kinds of fans.

One theme that always struck me in SW, especially in the KotOR games, was that things aren't absolute. Jedi aren't always good, Sith aren't always mindlessly evil, etc. The force doesn't necessarily have to be a sentient, controlling thing, nor does it have to be a passive energy field. Imo it's supposed to parallel real life concepts of God and is supposed to be debated within universe.

DoctorVader posted...

Essentially, The Force has picked her, it's that simple.

Barf.
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@Funbazooka

Girl power, Rey has the power of pussy, she has a magical vagina that provides all the force powers and training she needs. Welcome to the new Star Wars, hope you enjoy feminism.
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Offworlder1 posted...

@Funbazooka

Girl power, Rey has the power of pussy, she has a magical vagina that provides all the force powers and training she needs. Welcome to the new Star Wars, hope you enjoy feminism.

Pls tell me you're joking because I'm in a tagging/ignoring mood and I don't want any misunderstandings.
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Rey is a mary sue, I have always been clear in why I hate her and the bs she pulls.
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Offworlder1 posted...

Girl power, Rey has the power of pussy, she has a magical vagina that provides all the force powers and training she needs. Welcome to the new Star Wars, hope you enjoy feminism.

If they switched Rey and Ben's roles around, what would be your excuse?

I would call him a mary sue, look at Wesley from TNG as a prime example.
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Rey obviously just paid for the $5.99 microtransaction to unlock force abilities and skip the years of grinding.

EA always wins, baby.
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I am not against badass women jedi, Bastilla Shan, Mara Jade, Jania Solo, Kreia to name a few.

Rey is a mary sue which is why peoole including me hate her, theres no reason they could not have made her a badass who earned her way, skills, powers through hard work, or learning from a master.
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Offworlder1 posted...

I would call him a mary sue, look at Wesley from TNG as a prime example.

And the feminism bit?
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Offworlder1 posted...

Did you not watch ROTS or TPM ?, Palpatine literally says that he or Plagus created life from the force in the opera scene, and in TPM Shimi says there was no father. Anakin was a sith created force baby.

This cant be any more spelled out unless you want Palpatine to say Im your daddy or Plagus was your daddy.

Then why not take Anakin as a baby and raise him fully devoted to the Sith? If their plan was to create a double agent, they'd risk making the most powerful Jedi ever who would destroy them.

Look at post #73.

@3khc
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Offworlder1 posted...

Look at post #73.

@3khc

Doesn't answer my questuon. You said you would also call Ben a Mary Sue if the roles were reversed. Where does your feminism comment fit in with that?
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Rey was perfect at everything, she literally got a pussy pass in that she did nothing to have the force powers and know how to use them without utter failure of screwing up like Luke or Anakin, knowledge of the falcon to fly it the way she did and her whole I dont need a man to help me attitude with Finn in TFA.
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Let's switch the roles and see how much of that makes sense.

Offworlder1 posted...

Kylo was perfect at everything, he literally got a pussy pass in that he did nothing to have the force powers, knowledge of the falcon to fly it the way he did and his whole I dont need a man to help me attitude with Finn in TFA.

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Let's switch the roles and see how much of that makes sense.

Offworlder1 posted...

Kylo was perfect at everything, he literally got a pussy pass in that he did nothing to have the force powers and know how to use them without utter failure of screwing up like Luke or Anakin, knowledge of the falcon to fly it the way he did and his whole I dont need a man to help me attitude with Finn in TFA.

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Offworlder1 posted...

I am not against badass women jedi, Bastilla Shan, Mara Jade, Jania Solo, Kreia to name a few.

Rey is a mary sue which is why peoole including me hate her, theres no reason they could not have made her a badass who earned her way, skills, powers through hard work, or learning from a master.

I don't entirely disagree, but I and a few other posters have already explained the whole "balance the force" thing. It's not like that's a new concept; it's just never been this extreme before.

We've already had plenty of characters who've earned their powers through training and hard work though. They chose a different path for this one. Complaining about it for the next two years isn't going to make them change it.

It would be Wesley from Star Trek if Rey were exchanged for Kylo Ren.

Both Rey and Wesley are shitty characters because of how they were written, but it is blatantly obvious modern feminism that is why Mary Rey Sue is the way she is in the new Star Wars.
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Offworlder1 posted...

It would be Wesley from Star Trek if Rey were exchanged for Kylo Ren.

Both Rey and Wesley are shitty characters because of how they were written, but it is blatantly obvious modern feminism that is why Mary Rey Sue is the way she is in the new Star Wars.

So feminism for the girl.

"Wesley" for the guy.

I still don't understand your logic.
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3khc posted...

Let's switch the roles and see how much of that makes sense.

Offworlder1 posted...

Kylo was perfect at everything, he literally got a pussy pass in that he did nothing to have the force powers, knowledge of the falcon to fly it the way he did and his whole I dont need a man to help me attitude with Finn in TFA.

He literally got a "pussy pass" ?

That doesn't make sense. Men don't get those. That's the point...
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And Luke got how much training before he beat the hell out of Vader in RotJ? About a month with Yoda? So Luke beat a lifelong Force user with the equivalent of going to Jedi Camp.
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Shitty written characters are always worth complaining about, hell a training montage for Rey would have been better and acceptable instead of the crap we got. Have her train with Han in TFA and him telling her about the jedi/Luke, something to show she is not just some bs character created just for girl power.

Sarah Connor, Ripley, and The Bride are all well written women that had training, or true determination that made people root for them and are seen as the icons of badass women.

Rey could have been an amazing character had they actually taken some time to actually make a well written heroine.
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jumi posted...

And Luke got how much training before he beat the hell out of Vader in RotJ? About a month with Yoda? So Luke beat a lifelong Force user with the equivalent of going to Jedi Camp.

My head canon is that Vader went easy on Luke lol. Only way that makes sense.
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With regard to #1, its almost like you folks missed the whole point Luke's lesson that the jedi are more than just lifting rocks. She's been shown a few things but she is still far from being a jedi. Luke stating he won't be the last is just saying Rey can become one. As for her powers, well, TFA hammered home that Rey has raw strength and this movie just furthered that point with Luke outright stating it. Lifting some boulders would be child's play for her after being shown how to tap into the force.
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@jumi

Luke is the son of Anakin, he has the same powerful blood, Anakin and Luke are both shown to be quick learners, Anakin was never trying to kill his son.

In ROTJ Luke literally went into rage mode when dad theeatened to turn Leia and took Anakin by surprised with how much fury he was using. Rage and anger is something both Anakin and Luke use as a power booster.
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Offworlder1 posted...

Shitty written characters are always worth complaining about, hell a training montage for Rey would have been better and acceptable instead of the crap we got. Have her train with Han in TFA and him telling her about the jedi/Luke, something to show she is not just some bs character created just for girl power.

Sarah Connor, Ripley, and The Bride are all well written women that had training, or true determination that made people root for them and are seen as the icons of badass women.

Vertania posted...

We've already had plenty of characters who've earned their powers through training and hard work though. They chose a different path for this one.

@Vertania

So being lazy and creating a shitty written Mary Sue is ok because they wanted to do something different ? Yeah ok

Kinda imteresting they chose to make the only woman jedi take a different path, makes it easy to pick her apart and make her a symbol of pussy pass, and she needs no real training cause shes a girl.

Logical or sexist, theres a lot wrong with the way they went with Rey.
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Offworlder1 posted...

Kinda imteresting they chose to make the only woman jedi take a different path

There weren't women Jedi in the PT? Or in the EU?

Not as main characters no, and all those other women jedi in the PT/EU did have training.
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Offworlder1 posted...

@Vertania

So being lazy and creating a shitty written Mary Sue is ok because they wanted to do something different ? Yeah ok

Kinda imteresting they chose to make the only woman jedi take a different path, makes it easy to pick her apart and make her a symbol of pussy pass, and she needs no real training cause shes a girl.

Logical or sexist, theres a lot wrong with the way they went with Rey.

Please point out where any of that happened due to her being a girl. Because you rrally seem to be dodging that explanation and my ignore finger is getting itchy. I really don't want to do it.
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Offworlder1 posted...

Not as main characters no, and all those other women jedi in the PT/EU did have training.

"There was only one woman Jedi and she didn't have to train."

"...I mean, there were other women Jedi who had to train, but they don't count because they weren't main characters."

Offworlder1 posted...

Not as main characters no, and all those other women jedi in the PT/EU did have training.

Ahsoka Tano wasn't a main character?
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How was she able to do mind trick without knowing its a thing ?, flying the Falcon better then Han Solo ?, fighting and winning a light saber battle with no training ?

Mary REY Sue character
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I saw it this afternoon finally. The whole girl power shit is just a joke. Like its one thing to have that thought process as an element of the story but it seems to be the driving force behind the whole movie. From Leia magically flying thru space to the women constantly saving men from their blunders in several instances in the resistance stuff to Rey just bypassing any training.
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jumi posted...

Ahsoka Tano wasn't a main character?

or Bastila?

@jumi

Ahsoka went through training that all younglings do, she was trained at the temple before she was assigned to Anakin.
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