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I liked it, but some things were dumb.

1) how can Rey become a kick ass Saiyan with no training? She literally heard two speeches and a sobbing story from Luke and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

2) why didnt luke go and kill Kylo or at least die trying instead of doing the dumbass hologram thing, especially since he was gonna die anyway!?

3) why did the snow foxes go inside the fortress to get trapped and get in dangers way?

4) what was the point of the dumbass round birds with the creepy eyes ?

1 is a legit "can you not Disney?"

2, Luke had no way off the planet. His Xwing was under water and it's not suddenly gonna be able to fly again.

3, does it really matter? Better to have a chance inside than outside against the walkers and getting caught in crossfire

4, comic relief, merchandising, etc. They had no impact on the story.
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1. rey is not a jedi. i don't care what luke said at the end of the movie, there's more to being a jedi than knowing the force and how to swing a lightsaber around.

2. maybe luke did try to go there. maybe his x-wing just wasn't drying out fast enough i mean he keeps it underwater lol

3. idk that whole plot device was dumb

4. to give chewie a funny moment

all in all it's an okay movie, but they really didn't spend enough time at the drawing board before they threw it all together...
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Link165 posted...

2, Luke had no way off the planet. His Xwing was under water and it's not suddenly gonna be able to fly again.

That didn't stop his X-Wing after it was raised from the Dagobah Swamp.
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Master_Bass posted...

Link165 posted...

2, Luke had no way off the planet. His Xwing was under water and it's not suddenly gonna be able to fly again.

That didn't stop his X-Wing after it was raised from the Dagobah Swamp.

It wasn't completely submerged until Luke tried to get it out, and that was a few weeks. This time it was under water for years and Luke had even broken parts of it off (the door to his hut was made from one of the S foils according to official releases).
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Luke could have just gone with ray or something too. The planet was not deserted anyway, it had those cleaner short people and all that

flying leia
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EducatedGuy posted...

1) how can Rey become a kick ass Saiyan with no training? She literally heard two speeches and a sobbing story from Luke and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

Girl power overrides decades of Jedi master training in the new Star Wars universe. This is "progress."

EducatedGuy posted...

4) what was the point of the dumbass round birds with the creepy eyes ?

"Humor" and merchandise. The part with them in Falcon was idiotic. Would you just drive your car around with a bunch of squirrels, chickens, or pigeons jumping around inside the cabin? Nope. The story required Chewy to be a moron for cheap laughs.
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EducatedGuy posted...

I liked it, but some things were dumb.

1) how can Rey become a kick ass Saiyan with no training? She literally heard two speeches and a sobbing story from Luke and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

2) why didnt luke go and kill Kylo or at least die trying instead of doing the dumbass hologram thing, especially since he was gonna die anyway!?

3) why did the snow foxes go inside the fortress to get trapped and get in dangers way?

4) what was the point of the dumbass round birds with the creepy eyes ?

1. Because Rey has a lot of potential and nobody really knows how hard it is to be a Jedi (Luke had how many lessons between Obi-Wan and Yoda?)

2. Luke wasn't trying to kill Kylo, he went to send a message.

3. The fortress probably was their protection, and the escape route they found was Plan B.

4. To sell toys/be funny/be something for the kids

Rey is a Mary-Sue that can do no wrong and can do everything better than anyone else.
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The Admiral posted...

EducatedGuy posted...

1) how can Rey become a kick ass Saiyan with no training? She literally heard two speeches and a sobbing story from Luke and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

Girl power overrides decades of Jedi master training in the new Star Wars universe.

Good point, I bet that is the dumbass plot device they thought. The movie casting is pretty SJW too

And yes they made Chewie look like a moron with those round birds that would get in the way of all like chickens do. Chewie had no reason to bring them along too

Those little penguin things were kind of cute, but ultimately so stupid, and I think they seriously hurt the best action sequence of the film. That scene of Chewbacca flying the Millenium Falcon was so cool, yet they had to keep breaking it up by showing the dumb cartoon bird. Did they really think kids would be bored during that part so they had to keep reminding them of the cartoon? I just don't even get the logic that got them to do that.
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It has even more problems than that imo, but I think its still a great movie.

I also find it funny how people make excuses for point 1. I defended her in TFA, but theres no fucking excuse for her being that OP with minimal training. Bullshit.

Kylo had the excuse last time of being blasted and unhinged by his father dying, but now hes Reys equal again for reasons? Yeah, bullshit.
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

EducatedGuy posted...

I liked it, but some things were dumb.

1) how can Rey become a kick ass Saiyan with no training? She literally heard two speeches and a sobbing story from Luke and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

2) why didnt luke go and kill Kylo or at least die trying instead of doing the dumbass hologram thing, especially since he was gonna die anyway!?

3) why did the snow foxes go inside the fortress to get trapped and get in dangers way?

4) what was the point of the dumbass round birds with the creepy eyes ?

1. Because Rey has a lot of potential and nobody really knows how hard it is to be a Jedi (Luke had how many lessons between Obi-Wan and Yoda?)

2. Luke wasn't trying to kill Kylo, he went to send a message.

3. The fortress probably was their protection, and the escape route they found was Plan B.

4. To sell toys/be funny/be something for the kids

The first point is still BS, but I wanted to add that going into the fortress for protection is a pretty shitty excuse too. They could have literally just run left or right and would have been fine. Or they could have left out the secret exit without waiting until the Rebellion was about to lose.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

It has even more problems than that imo, but I think its still a great movie.

I also find it funny how people make excuses for point 1. I defended her in TFA, but theres no fucking excuse for her being that OP with minimal training. Bullshit.

Kylo had the excuse last time of being blasted and unhinged by his father dying, but now hes Reys equal again for reasons? Yeah, bullshit.

She was not his equal. They didn't even duel.

Ammonitida posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

It has even more problems than that imo, but I think its still a great movie.

I also find it funny how people make excuses for point 1. I defended her in TFA, but theres no fucking excuse for her being that OP with minimal training. Bullshit.

Kylo had the excuse last time of being blasted and unhinged by his father dying, but now hes Reys equal again for reasons? Yeah, bullshit.

She was not his equal. They didn't even duel.

After the Snoke is taken down, they wrestle for the lightsaber and she is his force equal. Despite the fact that Kylo has Skywalker blood and spent a fucking decade training with a Jedi master.
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EducatedGuy posted...

1) how can Rey become a kick ass Saiyan with no training? She literally heard two speeches and a sobbing story from Luke and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

Wasn't Anakin just a random kid with a strong force connection too? I figure it's possible he could have suddenly "awakened" to the force as an adult too if he had never been discovered by the Jedi.

It seems like it's just another way for the force to bring balance. Anakin was given a lot of power in order to bring balance, so I don't see why it couldn't happen again.

like 70% of the movie was a slow speed chase lol.
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The Admiral posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

It has even more problems than that imo, but I think its still a great movie.

I also find it funny how people make excuses for point 1. I defended her in TFA, but theres no fucking excuse for her being that OP with minimal training. Bullshit.

Kylo had the excuse last time of being blasted and unhinged by his father dying, but now hes Reys equal again for reasons? Yeah, bullshit.

She was not his equal. They didn't even duel.

After the Snoke is taken down, they wrestle for the lightsaber and she is his force equal. Despite the fact that Kylo has Skywalker blood and spent a fucking decade training with a Jedi master.

Not only this, she debatably seemed more competent at fighting the knights meant to protect literally the leader of the First Order better than Kylo.
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The Admiral posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

It has even more problems than that imo, but I think its still a great movie.

I also find it funny how people make excuses for point 1. I defended her in TFA, but theres no fucking excuse for her being that OP with minimal training. Bullshit.

Kylo had the excuse last time of being blasted and unhinged by his father dying, but now hes Reys equal again for reasons? Yeah, bullshit.

She was not his equal. They didn't even duel.

After the Snoke is taken down, they wrestle for the lightsaber and she is his force equal. Despite the fact that Kylo has Skywalker blood and spent a fucking decade training with a Jedi master.

The cruiser split the ship in two before we could actually make that determination.

lilORANG posted...

like 70% of the movie was a slow speed chase lol.

Given the execution, nothing wrong with that.

Ammonitida posted...

lilORANG posted...

like 70% of the movie was a slow speed chase lol.

Given the execution, nothing wrong with that.

It was poorly executed. Why didn't a different star destroyer just hyperjump to the other side and close in using a pincer attack? The chase made no sense other than to drag out the plot.
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@Vertania

Anakin was created by Plagus or Palpatine, it is mentioned in the ROTS movie, Anankin was created by a sith and they made sure he was extremely powerful because of how they created him.

In EP1 TPM Obi-Wan even shows shock saying his midicloreian count is higher then even Yoda showing this boy is freak of nature powerful.

Rey is a random nobody and should not be able to do all the bs she can as the whole point of the Skywalkers was they have insanely high power ability because of the bloodline. Average jedi/sith were not nearly as powerful nor did they have potential to be as strong, the Skywalker family is suppose to be unusually powerful in the force because of Anakin.

Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine, and Dooku are no push overs but they also had lots of training, years of experience, and knowledge that others do not. Anakin did not even reach peak power, he was just starting to hit the big leagues which is why Palpatine wanted him on his side. After taking the lava bath and losing most of his body though Anakin lost much of his power but even then was still very powerful even with the handicap and his potential crippled.

Rey should not be as strong as any Skywalker with training, experience, and literal raw power due to the bloodline.
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Ammonitida posted...

lilORANG posted...

like 70% of the movie was a slow speed chase lol.

Given the execution, nothing wrong with that.

What execution? It was literally just a slow speed chase lol. Send out a team of fighters. Call for backup. Kill the rebel scum. Why give them a chance to work out a plan or call for their own back up?
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Terra-enforcer posted...

The first point is still BS, but I wanted to add that going into the fortress for protection is a pretty shitty excuse too. They could have literally just run left or right and would have been fine. Or they could have left out the secret exit without waiting until the Rebellion was about to lose.

Not really. Anakin and Luke were able to be ace pilots at young ages with little training because of the Force. Anakin was a renowned Jedi Knight after only 10-13 years of training and Luke became a formidable Knight after a few days of training with Obi-Wan and a few months with Yoda.

The fortress was probably a shelter for the foxes, since it was desolate for 30+ years. I doubt they understood the power of the battering ram cannon, so they probably figured it would be strong enough to repel the attacks.

The Admiral posted...

Ammonitida posted...

lilORANG posted...

like 70% of the movie was a slow speed chase lol.

Given the execution, nothing wrong with that.

It was poorly executed. Why didn't a different star destroyer just hyperjump to the other side and close in using a pincer attack? The chase made no sense other than to drag out the plot.

I just accepted that for some reason, either technical or availability, they couldn't.

The point of the Last Jedi is that there are no more Jedi. They're done. They were bad and unneeded. Snoke is likely the Prime Jedi who created the entire Order.

I posted this elsewhere, but in terms of Rey and the training and why she has all this power.

Essentially, The Force has picked her, it's that simple.

It picked Anakin to help Sidious destroy the Jedi. It picked Luke to clean up the mess. It just happened to be Anakin's son. It picked Snoke to fill the void of darkness that came with Luke becoming so powerful. It picked Rey to bring the Jedi back, but without the whole religion.

The Jedi religion was just a guise, a type of control mechanism to the Force. The Force doesn't need that. The Jedi were essentially unneccsary, that's why it wiped them out. Luke and Yoda finally understood this.

The power of the Force is for everyone, not the select few who follow a rigid religion. The mastery of the Force comes simply from within and around. That's what Luke was trying to get accross.
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lilORANG posted...

Ammonitida posted...

lilORANG posted...

like 70% of the movie was a slow speed chase lol.

Given the execution, nothing wrong with that.

What execution? It was literally just a slow speed chase lol. Send out a team of fighters. Call for backup. Kill the rebel scum. Why give them a chance to work out a plan or call for their own back up?

You assume they had backup that could be called.

Ammonitida posted...

lilORANG posted...

Ammonitida posted...

lilORANG posted...

like 70% of the movie was a slow speed chase lol.

Given the execution, nothing wrong with that.

What execution? It was literally just a slow speed chase lol. Send out a team of fighters. Call for backup. Kill the rebel scum. Why give them a chance to work out a plan or call for their own back up?

You assume they had backup that could be called.

I suppose. I don't think that's a particularly out there assumption tho. If the entire FO is those few ships, they shouldn't really be much of a threat. They have to have bases all over the galaxy to maintain control and such.

but they can still deploy tie fighters to go blow the hell out of the Resistance.
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@DoctorVader

Wrong, Anakin was created from the force by Palpatine or Plagus on purpose, the sith wanted a very powerful person on their side that had insane amounts of raw power.

The disney BS can go get fucked cause Lucass work is word of god and he literally made it a point in the PT and OT that the Skywalkers were insanely powerful force users because of Anakins bloodline.
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1) Apparently, Rey has more potential than Gohan.

2) Luke being there physically would have gotten him blasted.

3) Crystal Critters showed the Rebels the way out through the will of the force.

4) To annoy Chewie.
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The Force does not have sentience and does not pick anyone. Its merely the energy that exists between matter that some people can learn to manipulate. This was explicitly stated in the films.
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Offworlder1 posted...

@DoctorVader

Wrong, Anakin was created from the force by Palpatine or Plagus on purpose, the sith wanted a very powerful person on their side that had insane amounts of raw power.

The disney BS can go get fucked cause Lucass work is word of god and he literally made it a point in the PT and OT that the Skywalkers were insanely powerful force users because of Anakins bloodline.

Anakin was created by the Force. Palpatine and Plagueis had nothing to do with it.

Also I'm just explaining where they're heading, but it's not baseless or unfounded. Lucas made the Jedi look like incompetent bafoons high on their arrogance in the PT.
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DoctorVader posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

@DoctorVader

Wrong, Anakin was created from the force by Palpatine or Plagus on purpose, the sith wanted a very powerful person on their side that had insane amounts of raw power.

The disney BS can go get fucked cause Lucass work is word of god and he literally made it a point in the PT and OT that the Skywalkers were insanely powerful force users because of Anakins bloodline.

Anakin was created by the Force. Palpatine and Plagueis had nothing to do with it.

Also I'm just explaining where they're heading, but it's not baseless or unfounded. Lucas made the Jedi look like incompetent bafoons high on their arrogance in the PT.

That was the point.
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Offworlder1 posted...

@DoctorVader

Wrong, Anakin was created from the force by Palpatine or Plagus on purpose, the sith wanted a very powerful person on their side that had insane amounts of raw power.

Nope. This is never stated anywhere and is nothing more than fan speculation.
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lilORANG posted...

Ammonitida posted...

lilORANG posted...

Ammonitida posted...

lilORANG posted...

like 70% of the movie was a slow speed chase lol.

Given the execution, nothing wrong with that.

What execution? It was literally just a slow speed chase lol. Send out a team of fighters. Call for backup. Kill the rebel scum. Why give them a chance to work out a plan or call for their own back up?

You assume they had backup that could be called.

I suppose. I don't think that's a particularly out there assumption tho. If the entire FO is those few ships, they shouldn't really be much of a threat. They have to have bases all over the galaxy to maintain control and such.

but they can still deploy tie fighters to go blow the hell out of the Resistance.

Calling for backup can pull away an armada that is needed to secure a region. Perhaps the First Order was already spread too thin and couldn't afford anymore ships.

The Tie Fighters have weaker lasers and would have been ineffective at draining the shield that protected the cruiser.

Did you not watch ROTS or TPM ?, Palpatine literally says that he or Plagus created life from the force in the opera scene, and in TPM Shimi says there was no father. Anakin was a sith created force baby.

This cant be any more spelled out unless you want Palpatine to say Im your daddy or Plagus was your daddy.
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Offworlder1 posted...

Anakin was created by Plagus or Palpatine, it is mentioned in the ROTS movie, Anankin was created by a sith and they made sure he was extremely powerful because of how they created him.

Really? I don't remember that at all...

Offworlder1 posted...

Rey is a random nobody and should not be able to do all the bs she can as the whole point of the Skywalkers was they have insanely high power ability because of the bloodline. Average jedi/sith were not nearly as powerful nor did they have potential to be as strong, the Skywalker family is suppose to be unusually powerful in the force because of Anakin.

Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine, and Dooku are no push overs but they also had lots of training, years of experience, and knowledge that others do not. Anakin did not even reach peak power, he was just starting to hit the big leagues which is why Palpatine wanted him on his side. After taking the lava bath and losing most of his body though Anakin lost much of his power but even then was still very powerful even with the handicap and his potential crippled.

Rey should not be as strong as any Skywalker with training, experience, and literal raw power due to the bloodline.

My point is that both Anakin and Rey were brought about to balance things out. At the beginning of TFA, all the Jedi except Luke are wiped out, the First Order is destroying groups of planets at a time, and the Rebellion is falling apart. Compared to Anakin, who had the backing of the Empire and Darth Sidious, Rey needed a lot more power to balance out the force.

I get that it's a bullshit explanation to a lot of fans and why people would hate it, but it makes sense to me.

Offworlder1 posted...

Did you not watch ROTS or TPM ?, Palpatine literally says that he or Plagus created life from the force in the opera scene, and in TPM Shimi says there was no father. Anakin was a sith created force baby.

This cant be any more spelled out unless you want Palpatine to say Im your daddy or Plagus was your daddy.

Some people hate those films so much that they don't consider them canon.

Offworlder1 posted...

Did you not watch ROTS or TPM ?, Palpatine literally says that he or Plagus created life from the force in the opera scene, and in TPM Shimi says there was no father. Anakin was a sith created force baby.

This cant be any more spelled out unless you want Palpatine to say Im your daddy or Plagus was your daddy.

And you believe Palps? You might be dumber than Anakin and Palpatine wasn't manipulating you.

Palps literally just says "Oh yeah we can totally do that thing that you really desperately want to be able to do just help me out bro!" and Anakin buys it.

Palps is full of shit, it's a red herring, and people like you fall for it.
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The Admiral posted...

The Force does not have sentience and does not pick anyone. Its merely the energy that exists between matter that some people can learn to manipulate. This was explicitly stated in the films.

The Force makes things happen. Anakin's lightsaber is not what called to Rey. It was the Force. It showed her the past, present and future. There's some level of sentience there. That sentience could simply be the balance, when one is not at balance, it pushes the energy to balance things out.

Doesn't have to be a God to further my point.

Offworlder1 posted...

Did you not watch ROTS or TPM ?, Palpatine literally says that he or Plagus created life from the force in the opera scene, and in TPM Shimi says there was no father. Anakin was a sith created force baby.

This cant be any more spelled out unless you want Palpatine to say Im your daddy or Plagus was your daddy.

He didn't though if you listen to the dialogue. He was seducing him with the story.
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EducatedGuy posted...

and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

Rey has the Jedi books, though. She stole them from the tree before she left. That's why Yoda set the tree on fire before Luke could - to cover for her.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

Those little penguin things were kind of cute, but ultimately so stupid, and I think they seriously hurt the best action sequence of the film. That scene of Chewbacca flying the Millenium Falcon was so cool, yet they had to keep breaking it up by showing the dumb cartoon bird. Did they really think kids would be bored during that part so they had to keep reminding them of the cartoon? I just don't even get the logic that got them to do that.

They do it to sell fucking toys because Disney is gonna Disney

3khc posted...

DoctorVader posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

@DoctorVader

Wrong, Anakin was created from the force by Palpatine or Plagus on purpose, the sith wanted a very powerful person on their side that had insane amounts of raw power.

The disney BS can go get fucked cause Lucass work is word of god and he literally made it a point in the PT and OT that the Skywalkers were insanely powerful force users because of Anakins bloodline.

Anakin was created by the Force. Palpatine and Plagueis had nothing to do with it.

Also I'm just explaining where they're heading, but it's not baseless or unfounded. Lucas made the Jedi look like incompetent bafoons high on their arrogance in the PT.

That was the point.

Huh?
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Ammonitida posted...

The Tie Fighters have weaker lasers and would have been ineffective at draining the shield that protected the cruiser.

The shield was focused on the back of the cruiser to deflect the big lasers. Either the tie fighters fly around front and blast it or the cruiser weakens the rear shield to reinforce the rest of it, making it vulnerable to the big lasers.

It was all incredibly dumb
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@Vertania

The disney bs is just that, stupid shitty writing by people who do not understand SW, the force as Lucas described it, and how the jedi sith thing works.

The force is an energy field created by all living things, it is NOT some setient creature or life form that picks people to be special.

The force is energy and if you have more or can tap into more (looking at you Anakin) then your stronger then others going by raw power.
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DoctorVader posted...

3khc posted...

DoctorVader posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

@DoctorVader

Wrong, Anakin was created from the force by Palpatine or Plagus on purpose, the sith wanted a very powerful person on their side that had insane amounts of raw power.

The disney BS can go get fucked cause Lucass work is word of god and he literally made it a point in the PT and OT that the Skywalkers were insanely powerful force users because of Anakins bloodline.

Anakin was created by the Force. Palpatine and Plagueis had nothing to do with it.

Also I'm just explaining where they're heading, but it's not baseless or unfounded. Lucas made the Jedi look like incompetent bafoons high on their arrogance in the PT.

That was the point.

Huh?

Jedi let their own power blind them. They were too comfortable and therefore unfit to protect the galaxy. Palpatine was right in their face and even Yoda couldn't sense him.
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lilORANG posted...

Ammonitida posted...

The Tie Fighters have weaker lasers and would have been ineffective at draining the shield that protected the cruiser.

The shield was focused on the back of the cruiser to deflect the big lasers. Either the tie fighters fly around front and blast it or the cruiser weakens the rear shield to reinforce the rest of it, making it vulnerable to the big lasers.

It was all incredibly dumb

I don't recall anyone saying that the shield was "focused" on the back.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

EducatedGuy posted...

and now she doesnt even need training and the Jedi books can go to hell? Lmao

Rey has the Jedi books, though. She stole them from the tree before she left. That's why Yoda set the tree on fire before Luke could - to cover for her.

I missed this thanks