Current Events > i loved civ5 but didn't get civ6 because of its goofy graphics and SJW pandering

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civ6 could have legit gameplay improvements and better UI and terrain / city graphics, but all the leaders look like mobile game gimps (hence the goofy graphics in TT) and its clear firaxis (the dev) put a hard leaning on SJW diversity content in the game with bad leaders and obscure nation choices.

civ 5 for life baby. one thing i respect tremendously about that is the atmosphere of celebration and awe and even a bit of terror for humanity the game gives off. just look at that gods and kings trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZRSA7Ur-cI

was completely mind blowing to me when i first saw it. so few games attempt to strike that celebration and awe for humanity. and mad props to the civ5 narrator guy of the wonders. great atmosphere.
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What kind of "SJW Pandering" does the game contain?
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thelovefist posted...

What kind of "SJW Pandering" does the game contain?

Probably includes non-white countries
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thelovefist posted...

What kind of "SJW Pandering" does the game contain?

TC probably refers to some leader and art choices
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thelovefist posted...

What kind of "SJW Pandering" does the game contain?

I too am wondering.

Dear TC: just because something is diverse, doesn't mean it's pandering. It's probably just representing the social make-up of the world, something you'd understand if you ever left the basement.
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Doe posted...

thelovefist posted...

What kind of "SJW Pandering" does the game contain?

TC probably refers to some leader and art choices

Some examples would probably help
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Squall28 posted...

thelovefist posted...

What kind of "SJW Pandering" does the game contain?

Probably includes non-white countries

If the TC is serious about this, then I doubt he has played CIV5.
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i was curious to see if TC was just trolling or not so i googled to see if other people were upset about SJW stuff in Civ VI.

turns out there are some people upset about the leaders chosen for the different civs, because they perceive it as pandering towards feminists. for example the Greek leader is someone named Gorgo (idk who the fuck that is) and the French leader is Catherine de Medici.

so some people are pissed that instead of Alexander the Great, Napoleon, etc these places are being led by very obscure historical figures just because the devs seem to want to put more women in the game.

personally i dont give a fuck but i can see why a few people might be irked by this. little touches in long running franchises like this are important to fans
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Romulox28 posted...

i was curious to see if TC was just trolling or not so i googled to see if other people were upset about SJW stuff in Civ VI.

turns out there are some people upset about the leaders chosen for the different civs, because they perceive it as pandering towards feminists. for example the Greek leader is someone named Gorgo (idk who the fuck that is) and the French leader is Catherine de Medici.

so some people are pissed that instead of Alexander the Great, Napoleon, etc these places are being led by very obscure historical figures just because the devs seem to want to put more women in the game.

personally i dont give a fuck but i can see why a few people might be irked by this. little touches in long running franchises like this are important to fans

I'm not into the Civ games, but if fans play them for historical accuracy and the game is being changed just to add in fictional diversity, I can understand being annoyed.
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wait they picked Gorgo and Medici over Alexander and Napoleon?

Napoleon is legit not in the game?

what in the living fuck....

who the fuck is medici

I had to google Gorgo.
Thats King Leonidass wife?
lol

French Leaders:

Civ 1 - Napoleon
Civ 2 - Louis XIV or Joan d'Arc
Civ 3 - Joan d'Arc
Civ 4 - Charles de Gaulle, Louis XIV, Napoleon
Civ 5 - Napoleon
Civ 6 - Catherine de Medici

Greek Leaders:

Civ 1 - Alexander
Civ 2 - Alexander or Hippolyta
Civ 3 - Alexander
Civ 4 - Alexander or Pericles
Civ 5 - Alexander
Civ 6 - Gorgo or Pericles (Alexander made leader of Macedonian Empire)
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thelovefist posted...

What kind of "SJW Pandering" does the game contain?

There is talk that they chose some more obscure leaders in an effort to add more female leaders. For example, adding Gorgo, King Leonidas' wife, as one of Greece's leaders instead of, say, Leonidas himself is one common complaint.

I hear the upcoming release of Korea and the leader they chose, Queen Seondeok, is particularly controversial because she is regarded very poorly in Korea as having been incompetent.
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Women's influence on history has often been understated and underestimated. Acknowledging this isn't close to being an SJW, it's just applying a critical mindset to historical scholarship.
As for the Civ games, I'd personally be thrilled to see more figures show up (so I'd learn more new stuff) rather than just seeing Napoleon in every game.
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hey guys, there's a part of this Shakespeare play where he comments on the unwanted sexual advances women face from men in positions of authority. such an SJW
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Is Civ 6 still considered bad?

I remember how everyone hated Civ 5 until about ~4 years later.
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Romulox28 posted...

i was curious to see if TC was just trolling or not so i googled to see if other people were upset about SJW stuff in Civ VI.

turns out there are some people upset about the leaders chosen for the different civs, because they perceive it as pandering towards feminists. for example the Greek leader is someone named Gorgo (idk who the fuck that is) and the French leader is Catherine de Medici.

so some people are pissed that instead of Alexander the Great, Napoleon, etc these places are being led by very obscure historical figures just because the devs seem to want to put more women in the game.

personally i dont give a fuck but i can see why a few people might be irked by this. little touches in long running franchises like this are important to fans

There are two Greek leaders. Pericles, and Gorgo. One male, and one female, what is there to bitch about? Do people care about Napoleon that much? Alexander is in the game now anyways.
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Stop drinking paint
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Squall28 posted...

thelovefist posted...

What kind of "SJW Pandering" does the game contain?

Probably includes non-white countries

Then he's got a bad memory of the Civ franchise
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qyll3 posted...

Is Civ 6 still considered bad?

I remember how everyone hated Civ 5 until about ~4 years later.

Until expansions come out, people will hate it. So people will still hate Civ 6 for years to come till it gets enough expansions for people to stop complaining. Though most people will say, base Civ 6 is vastly better than base Civ 5, but Civ 5 with all the expansions is a much better game.
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myzz7 posted...

one thing i respect tremendously about that is the atmosphere of celebration and awe and even a bit of terror for humanity the game gives off.

I felt the same way for Beyond Earth's intro. Seeing the Orthodox priest pray for the blessing of humanity, in spite of all the hardship and darkness humankind was facing at the moment, was really quite heartfelt. Religion can be such a light in the dark for people, sometimes the only light. I'm a sucker for religion being good.
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LightHawKnight posted...

qyll3 posted...

Is Civ 6 still considered bad?

I remember how everyone hated Civ 5 until about ~4 years later.

Until expansions come out, people will hate it. So people will still hate Civ 6 for years to come till it gets enough expansions for people to stop complaining. Though most people will say, base Civ 6 is vastly better than base Civ 5, but Civ 5 with all the expansions is a much better game.

I was there for the Civ 4 --> Civ 5 transition and this is exactly how everyone felt about Civ 4 vs. Civ 5.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i was curious to see if TC was just trolling or not so i googled to see if other people were upset about SJW stuff in Civ VI.

turns out there are some people upset about the leaders chosen for the different civs, because they perceive it as pandering towards feminists. for example the Greek leader is someone named Gorgo (idk who the fuck that is) and the French leader is Catherine de Medici.

so some people are pissed that instead of Alexander the Great, Napoleon, etc these places are being led by very obscure historical figures just because the devs seem to want to put more women in the game.

personally i dont give a fuck but i can see why a few people might be irked by this. little touches in long running franchises like this are important to fans

There are two Greek leaders. Pericles, and Gorgo. One male, and one female, what is there to bitch about? Do people care about Napoleon that much? Alexander is in the game now anyways.

Yes, I think fans do care about Napoleon, because he is still regarded very highly as a French leader. It's more fun to play as famous leaders than relative unknowns.

Gorgo's inclusion is criticized because, well, why add Leonidas' wife when most would probably prefer Leonidas himself?
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The only thing I need to know about Civ 6 is.... is Gandhi still a genocidal maniac?!?!
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Esrac posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i was curious to see if TC was just trolling or not so i googled to see if other people were upset about SJW stuff in Civ VI.

turns out there are some people upset about the leaders chosen for the different civs, because they perceive it as pandering towards feminists. for example the Greek leader is someone named Gorgo (idk who the fuck that is) and the French leader is Catherine de Medici.

so some people are pissed that instead of Alexander the Great, Napoleon, etc these places are being led by very obscure historical figures just because the devs seem to want to put more women in the game.

personally i dont give a fuck but i can see why a few people might be irked by this. little touches in long running franchises like this are important to fans

There are two Greek leaders. Pericles, and Gorgo. One male, and one female, what is there to bitch about? Do people care about Napoleon that much? Alexander is in the game now anyways.

Yes, I think fans do care about Napoleon, because he is still regarded very highly as a French leader. It's more fun to play as famous leaders than relative unknowns.

Gorgo's inclusion is criticized because, well, why add Leonidas' wife when most would probably prefer Leonidas himself?

She is equally as important as Leonidas, most people probably wouldn't even know the latter without 300. People complain and whine way too much.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Esrac posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i was curious to see if TC was just trolling or not so i googled to see if other people were upset about SJW stuff in Civ VI.

turns out there are some people upset about the leaders chosen for the different civs, because they perceive it as pandering towards feminists. for example the Greek leader is someone named Gorgo (idk who the fuck that is) and the French leader is Catherine de Medici.

so some people are pissed that instead of Alexander the Great, Napoleon, etc these places are being led by very obscure historical figures just because the devs seem to want to put more women in the game.

personally i dont give a fuck but i can see why a few people might be irked by this. little touches in long running franchises like this are important to fans

There are two Greek leaders. Pericles, and Gorgo. One male, and one female, what is there to bitch about? Do people care about Napoleon that much? Alexander is in the game now anyways.

Yes, I think fans do care about Napoleon, because he is still regarded very highly as a French leader. It's more fun to play as famous leaders than relative unknowns.

Gorgo's inclusion is criticized because, well, why add Leonidas' wife when most would probably prefer Leonidas himself?

She is equally as important as Leonidas, most people probably wouldn't even know the latter without 300. People complain and whine way too much.

That seems like a stretch. When looking her up, all I could find about her was an anecdote about a wax covered tablet and her being the daughter of one long, the wife of another, and mother of a third. At least Leonidas has the last stand of the 300 to his name as a notable event.

I can't find anything to suggest she is as important to Greek history as Leonidas himself.
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Esrac posted...

That seems like a stretch. When looking her up, all I could find about her was an anecdote about a wax covered tablet and her being the daughter of one long, the wife of another, and mother of a third. At least Leonidas has the last stand of the 300 to his name as a notable event.

Looking at the same Wikipedia page as you probably did, there's also this:
There are sections where she is present at court or in council and gives advice to the king or the elders.[8] This either indicates that Gorgo was highly thought of by Herodotus, who often left out the names of the female figures he included in his books, or that as the wife of Leonidas I, her actions and counsel were all the more noteworthy.

Sounds like she was kind of a big deal IMO :)
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scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

That seems like a stretch. When looking her up, all I could find about her was an anecdote about a wax covered tablet and her being the daughter of one long, the wife of another, and mother of a third. At least Leonidas has the last stand of the 300 to his name as a notable event.

Looking at the same Wikipedia page as you probably did, there's also this:
There are sections where she is present at court or in council and gives advice to the king or the elders.[8] This either indicates that Gorgo was highly thought of by Herodotus, who often left out the names of the female figures he included in his books, or that as the wife of Leonidas I, her actions and counsel were all the more noteworthy.

Sounds like she was kind of a big deal IMO :)

All I get out of that passage is her actions were more noteworthy than other women's because she was married to Leonidas. And she gave the king advice. That isn't exactly what I would call a big deal compared to other leaders. Even if Herodotus tended to leave women out.
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scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

That seems like a stretch. When looking her up, all I could find about her was an anecdote about a wax covered tablet and her being the daughter of one long, the wife of another, and mother of a third. At least Leonidas has the last stand of the 300 to his name as a notable event.

Looking at the same Wikipedia page as you probably did, there's also this:
There are sections where she is present at court or in council and gives advice to the king or the elders.[8] This either indicates that Gorgo was highly thought of by Herodotus, who often left out the names of the female figures he included in his books, or that as the wife of Leonidas I, her actions and counsel were all the more noteworthy.

Sounds like she was kind of a big deal IMO :)

It is no different than including Theodora as leader of the Byzantines instead of Justinian. I don't see what the problem is here.
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Esrac posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

That seems like a stretch. When looking her up, all I could find about her was an anecdote about a wax covered tablet and her being the daughter of one long, the wife of another, and mother of a third. At least Leonidas has the last stand of the 300 to his name as a notable event.

Looking at the same Wikipedia page as you probably did, there's also this:
There are sections where she is present at court or in council and gives advice to the king or the elders.[8] This either indicates that Gorgo was highly thought of by Herodotus, who often left out the names of the female figures he included in his books, or that as the wife of Leonidas I, her actions and counsel were all the more noteworthy.

Sounds like she was kind of a big deal IMO :)

All I get out of that passage is her actions were more noteworthy than other women's because she was married to Leonidas. And she gave the king advice. That isn't exactly what I would call a big deal compared to other leaders. Even if Herodotus tended to leave women out.

I'm no historical scholar, but I also don't know what metric is appropriate for a historical figure to be included in a Civ game.
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scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

That seems like a stretch. When looking her up, all I could find about her was an anecdote about a wax covered tablet and her being the daughter of one long, the wife of another, and mother of a third. At least Leonidas has the last stand of the 300 to his name as a notable event.

Looking at the same Wikipedia page as you probably did, there's also this:
There are sections where she is present at court or in council and gives advice to the king or the elders.[8] This either indicates that Gorgo was highly thought of by Herodotus, who often left out the names of the female figures he included in his books, or that as the wife of Leonidas I, her actions and counsel were all the more noteworthy.

Sounds like she was kind of a big deal IMO :)

All I get out of that passage is her actions were more noteworthy than other women's because she was married to Leonidas. And she gave the king advice. That isn't exactly what I would call a big deal compared to other leaders. Even if Herodotus tended to leave women out.

I'm no historical scholar, but I also don't know what metric is appropriate for a historical figure to be included in a Civ game.

To be fair, I'm just a little salty that Leonidas wasn't Greece's ruler in Civ 6. It's pretty much mostly been Alexander, but he got a separate Civ of his own this time.
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Milkman5 posted...

wait they picked Gorgo and Medici over Alexander and Napoleon?

Greece has two leaders (the other one being Pericles). Alexander came out later as the leader of Macedon mostly so that his gameplay mechanics would work better with what he was historically known for (namely, conquering).

Also, the game has a disclaimer stating the game is not meant to be historically accurate.
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