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LastTomorrow
12/14/17 3:50:00 PM
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Oh well. Life goes on and people get screwed. That's life
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50Blessings
12/14/17 3:50:44 PM
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frozenshock
12/14/17 3:52:24 PM
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Literally 8 years of Bush and Cheney and people learned nothing
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On_The_Edge
12/14/17 3:53:47 PM
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Republicans removed net neutrality for more power.... by removing government regulations from the internet

durrrrrr
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uwnim
12/14/17 4:05:58 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Republicans removed net neutrality for more power.... by removing government regulations from the internet

durrrrrr

Removed regulations on ISPs so the internet itself can be more regulated.
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 4:09:54 PM
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Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
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LightHawKnight
12/14/17 4:11:11 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Republicans removed net neutrality for more power.... by removing government regulations from the internet

durrrrrr


You do realize that ISPs have a regional monopoly and therefore no competition right?
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JustMonika
12/14/17 4:11:20 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Republicans removed net neutrality for more power.... by removing government regulations from the internet

If only it wasn't obvious that they were being bought by ISPs.
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uwnim
12/14/17 4:11:36 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
Unlikely, removing net neutrality does not provide ISPs with any cost reductions.
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TheVipaGTS
12/14/17 4:12:06 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Republicans removed net neutrality for more power.... by removing government regulations from the internet

durrrrrr

So they're willing to give away some power as long as they are bribed to do so...that makes it SOOO much better.
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ChromaticAngel
12/14/17 4:12:46 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Republicans removed net neutrality for more power.... by removing government regulations from the internet

durrrrrr


If I have a regulation in place that says "you're not allowed to restrict this service" how the fuck is overturning that less restrictive?
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KazumaKiryu
12/14/17 4:13:24 PM
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They are literally taking back government overreach, but you're so brainwashed that you actually believe they're trying to get more power.
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 4:14:10 PM
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uwnim posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
Unlikely, removing net neutrality does not provide ISPs with any cost reductions.


Good thing the free market does
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JustMonika
12/14/17 4:15:23 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
They are literally taking back government overreach, but you're so brainwashed that you actually believe they're trying to get more power.

Money = power.
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LightHawKnight
12/14/17 4:25:41 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
uwnim posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
Unlikely, removing net neutrality does not provide ISPs with any cost reductions.


Good thing the free market does


How? ISPs have a region monopoly. There will never be competition, the prices will never go down. If Google failed to get their foot in, what makes you think anyone else can?
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 4:27:37 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
uwnim posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
Unlikely, removing net neutrality does not provide ISPs with any cost reductions.


Good thing the free market does


How? ISPs have a region monopoly. There will never be competition, the prices will never go down. If Google failed to get their foot in, what makes you think anyone else can?


Google didn't fail. I live in Kansas City and Google fiber is doing great. So that alone proves you wrong.
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Muffinz0rz
12/14/17 4:28:37 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
I live in Kansas City

Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
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LightHawKnight
12/14/17 4:28:52 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
uwnim posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
Unlikely, removing net neutrality does not provide ISPs with any cost reductions.


Good thing the free market does


How? ISPs have a region monopoly. There will never be competition, the prices will never go down. If Google failed to get their foot in, what makes you think anyone else can?


Google didn't fail. I live in Kansas City and Google fiber is doing great. So that alone proves you wrong.


Google did fail. They wanted to cover more ground, and they can't. There is a reason why Google Fiber is barely anywhere.
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Gamer99z
12/14/17 4:31:26 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
uwnim posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
Unlikely, removing net neutrality does not provide ISPs with any cost reductions.


Good thing the free market does


How? ISPs have a region monopoly. There will never be competition, the prices will never go down. If Google failed to get their foot in, what makes you think anyone else can?


Google didn't fail. I live in Kansas City and Google fiber is doing great. So that alone proves you wrong.

He means in the sense that they stopped expanding and have pretty much ended the project because it wasn't viable. It was too much time, effort, and money, for little gains. I'm sure the handful of cities that have it are enjoying it fine, but Google failed at really becoming a major player in the ISP market. If a big guy like Google couldn't do it, and a little guy will get bought out, slapped with frivolous lawsuits keeping them from breaking ground for potentially years and making them lose millions in that time, etc. How do you think competition is going to start with these regional monopolies?
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RighteousTip
12/14/17 4:38:33 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...

How? ISPs have a region monopoly

People don't understand this.
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KazumaKiryu
12/14/17 4:42:07 PM
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RighteousTip posted...
LightHawKnight posted...

How? ISPs have a region monopoly

People don't understand this.


If only net neutrality could have stopped that, this would actually be meaningful.
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Iodine
12/14/17 4:42:48 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
Republicans removed net neutrality for more power.... by removing government regulations from the internet

durrrrrr


You do realize that ISPs have a regional monopoly and therefore no competition right?

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UnholyMudcrab
12/14/17 4:43:30 PM
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You guys are putting way too much effort into arguing with the trolls. They're not going to listen to you.
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Gamer99z
12/14/17 4:47:10 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
RighteousTip posted...
LightHawKnight posted...

How? ISPs have a region monopoly

People don't understand this.


If only net neutrality could have stopped that, this would actually be meaningful.

It doesn't stop the monopolies, nor does it hurt potential competition in any way.
It just keeps the monopolies from completely fucking over their customers even more than they already do with overpriced packages and data caps, things NN isn't contributing to. It's at least making sure that the basic access is equal to prevent ISP's from doing internet packages and shit or taking money from companies to prioritize one website or service over another. Ya know, like possibly an online services that's smaller and trying to provide competition but can't afford to pay off internet companies for priority?

Having NN doesn't hurt competition in the market at all, not having it actually potentially significantly hurts competition for many things and could even potentially be the reason for startups not being able to get off the ground.
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Halo478
12/14/17 4:49:27 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Literally 8 years of Bush and Cheney and people learned nothing

This country is far to stupid its shocking
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 4:50:34 PM
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Gamer99z posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
uwnim posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
Unlikely, removing net neutrality does not provide ISPs with any cost reductions.


Good thing the free market does


How? ISPs have a region monopoly. There will never be competition, the prices will never go down. If Google failed to get their foot in, what makes you think anyone else can?


Google didn't fail. I live in Kansas City and Google fiber is doing great. So that alone proves you wrong.

He means in the sense that they stopped expanding and have pretty much ended the project because it wasn't viable. It was too much time, effort, and money, for little gains. I'm sure the handful of cities that have it are enjoying it fine, but Google failed at really becoming a major player in the ISP market. If a big guy like Google couldn't do it, and a little guy will get bought out, slapped with frivolous lawsuits keeping them from breaking ground for potentially years and making them lose millions in that time, etc. How do you think competition is going to start with these regional monopolies?


And had they not used a fiber optics line and went the same old route as time Warner, it wouldn't be so on expensive. They proved they could break ground so I've dismantled this Monopoly idea liberals believe in. Yet another Boogeyman
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Holy_Cloud105
12/14/17 4:51:33 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Literally 8 years of Bush and Cheney and people learned nothing

IIRC, Bush and his republicans were in favor of net neutrality. Republicans didn't hate it until Obama said he was for it since Obama is worse than Hitler.
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RighteousTip
12/14/17 4:51:59 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
RighteousTip posted...
LightHawKnight posted...

How? ISPs have a region monopoly

People don't understand this.


If only net neutrality could have stopped that, this would actually be meaningful.

It... actually does, though.

http://www.jamesjheaney.com/2014/09/15/why-free-marketeers-want-to-regulate-the-internet/
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Halo478
12/14/17 4:55:21 PM
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When fox and breitbart are the only sites not throttled by the isp's
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Gamer99z
12/14/17 5:01:21 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Gamer99z posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
uwnim posted...
Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Literally internet will be cheaper now and of course everyone deserves freedom of choice
Unlikely, removing net neutrality does not provide ISPs with any cost reductions.


Good thing the free market does


How? ISPs have a region monopoly. There will never be competition, the prices will never go down. If Google failed to get their foot in, what makes you think anyone else can?


Google didn't fail. I live in Kansas City and Google fiber is doing great. So that alone proves you wrong.

He means in the sense that they stopped expanding and have pretty much ended the project because it wasn't viable. It was too much time, effort, and money, for little gains. I'm sure the handful of cities that have it are enjoying it fine, but Google failed at really becoming a major player in the ISP market. If a big guy like Google couldn't do it, and a little guy will get bought out, slapped with frivolous lawsuits keeping them from breaking ground for potentially years and making them lose millions in that time, etc. How do you think competition is going to start with these regional monopolies?


And had they not used a fiber optics line and went the same old route as time Warner, it wouldn't be so on expensive. They proved they could break ground so I've dismantled this Monopoly idea liberals believe in. Yet another Boogeyman

I mean Google could break ground next to anywhere. They could probably break ground on the damn moon if they wanted to, they're fucking Google.
The issue is they don't want to break ground, because it isn't a viable project anywhere in the near future. No other big company is showing any interest in any sort of widespread internet providing either and if they did, they'd likely end up doing the same as Google. That leaves the little guys, which simply can't get in because of the monopolies and not having the resources of something like Google. No big companies want to stick their neck out and branch into something new and then just use old technology like cable, obviously they'll want to do something new like Fiber, which even if someone else decides to do, it'll turn out the same way, a slow crawl from city to city while everyone else is left fucked without even the slightest consumer protection that something like NN brings for those people.
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JustMonika
12/14/17 5:02:18 PM
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Who is this Y2J guy? I keep seeing him in these topics.
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Halo478
12/14/17 5:03:08 PM
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JustMonika posted...
Who is this Y2J guy? I keep seeing him in these topics.

shit tier new account troll
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JosefuJustice11
12/14/17 5:08:07 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
They are literally taking back government overreach, but you're so brainwashed that you actually believe they're trying to get more power.

You know nothing of what you speak. When they talk about Government regulations they aren't just talking solely about those in Congress and the White House. It also applies to Federal agencies designed to keep the services fair and make sure the laws are being upheld.
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darkphoenix181
12/14/17 5:10:13 PM
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@KazumaKiryu
the FCC is supposed to protect consumers

Ajit himself says so and claims this repeal is to benefit consumers

explain how repealing consumer protections...protects consumers?

it it literally that ISPs gave them money
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KazumaKiryu
12/14/17 5:10:39 PM
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RighteousTip posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
RighteousTip posted...
LightHawKnight posted...

How? ISPs have a region monopoly

People don't understand this.


If only net neutrality could have stopped that, this would actually be meaningful.

It... actually does, though.

http://www.jamesjheaney.com/2014/09/15/why-free-marketeers-want-to-regulate-the-internet/


Except it doesn't! We're living it!
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UnholyMudcrab
12/14/17 5:10:48 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 5:11:25 PM
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You work for Google now? I mean, you are speculating on inside information you aren't privy to so either you work for Google or are talking out of your ass.

Google didn't do Normal internet btw, your comparison to new isps isn't even comparable
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Halo478
12/14/17 5:11:30 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Please stop responding to the trolls

95% of ce is trolls
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 5:12:18 PM
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I mean even the experts disagree with you man:

https://thetylt.com/politics/net-neutrality-ending-good-internet

You really need to just throw in the towel
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Antifar
12/14/17 5:13:18 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
I mean even the experts disagree with you man:

https://thetylt.com/politics/net-neutrality-ending-good-internet

What experts are cited in that piece?
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 5:18:40 PM
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Economides
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Antifar
12/14/17 5:19:26 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Economides

Nicholas Economides is
- A Wired writer
- Arguing in favor of Net Neutrality
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 5:20:43 PM
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Who says it's great for businesses. It's like you guys don't even try. You just spout the same nonsense CNN and Maddow tells you no matter how many times it's debunked
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cerealbox760
12/14/17 5:45:02 PM
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Competition didn't exist before or after net neutrality. There is zero correlation between net neutrality and competition.

If repealing net neutrality promotes competition, why would mega corp push to repeal net neutrality? Is it not in their best financial interest to reduce competition? Are cable companies suddenly running a charity for the american people?
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 5:47:15 PM
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Literally the only people who bitched about anything before NN was a very small minority. Now that things are back to normal, do you actually think that's gonna change? The majority isn't on the internet all day like this board. Use the internet more you SHOULD pay more. It's fair and just. The average person isn't gonna notice any difference. All it's gonna do is drive down prices for the average person. Why this board can't grasp this is amazing
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Y2J0sHBK__GB
12/14/17 5:50:00 PM
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Seriously, if not having NN is sooooo bad as this board would have you believe, you would think the average American would complain but they don't. Know why? For 99% of the people it's a non issue. That's why this board hyperbolic response is so hillarious.

Hint kiddos, ever want to get a grasp on a subject, try looking at the average American. Ironically you'd have to get off the internet to do it. Good luck!
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Axiom
12/14/17 5:53:01 PM
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Ah so this is where all the trolls were congregating to pretend net neutrality repeal was a good thing. I wondered why none of them were hitting the live topic with their idiocy
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cerealbox760
12/14/17 5:58:12 PM
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Y2J0sHBK__GB posted...
Seriously, if not having NN is sooooo bad as this board would have you believe, you would think the average American would complain but they don't. Know why? For 99% of the people it's a non issue. That's why this board hyperbolic response is so hillarious.

Hint kiddos, ever want to get a grasp on a subject, try looking at the average American. Ironically you'd have to get off the internet to do it. Good luck!

1. 84% of Americans support net neutrality. Check your facts.
2. Cable companies wont pass down their savings on to you. They didn't do it before net neutrality and they wont do it after.
3. There is zero correlation between net neutrality and competition.
4. Forfeiting power to cable companies at expense of Americans is ridiculous. Whose country is this again?
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EverDownward
12/14/17 6:00:30 PM
#51:


JustMonika posted...
Who is this Y2J guy? I keep seeing him in these topics.

A57PkOO
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